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I am a Muslim and futre Imam of the local congregation. We are also known as Muslims or Musslemen (archaicly). We live amonst you here in the Shoals and are growing our numbers. A Mosque to the Gloy of God is in the works my friends! It shall be located in Florence where our numbers are increasing. I hope to introduce myself to my brothers here.

We beleive that God (Allaha, glory to his name) is one and incomparable and the sole purpose of existence is to worship God. He has no son or partner and none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone.  He is the true God, and every other deity is false.  No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes.  He has the most magnificent names and sublime perfect attributes.

The Muslim faith was delivered unto mankind starting with the messengers named Abraham, through Moses, then the prophet Jesus and the last prophent Mohammed (. Though there were presursors, the Quoran is the holiest of books consisting of the revealed word of the messenger Gabriel directly to Mohammed.  No, Jesus was no son of God and he said it himself in the holy Book:

 

"Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.”  The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.  Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell).  For the wrongdoers, there will be no helpers.”  (Quran, 5:72)

 

Thus, any assertion that Jesus was the son of Allah is blasphemous and carrie sgrave penalties my new friends.

We Muslims beleive the day of judgement is near when all the people will be resurrected for God's judgement accoding to their beliefs and their deeds. It is in that spirit that I urge you to accept the one true God as your saviour and no others. Glory be to Allah!

 

مضاء محمد أوزجاى من موقعه الرسمى.

 

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Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:

 

We Muslims beleive the day of judgement is near when all the people will be resurrected for God's judgement accoding to their beliefs and their deeds. It is in that spirit that I urg you to accept the one true God as your saviour and no others. Glory be to Allah!

 

مضاء محمد أوزجاى من موقعه الرسمى.

 

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well golly gee whiz dammmit,,,,there goes my Christmas.

 

Jesus trumps muslims.

 

Iv

Mo,

 

You say, "We beleive that God (Allaha, glory to his name) is one and incomparable and the sole purpose of existence is to worship God."

 

Would you please convey this sentiment to those who assert their loyalty to the same Allah that you do and who seem to find a lot of things to do in his name other than to simply "worship" him?

 

I suggest that you send your message to those Muslims who seem to be very busy loading themselves up with powerful explosives and randomly blowing up other Muslims in public places in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Tell them they need to be more worship-minded and less murder-minded!

Greetings my friends,

In answer to one, I am currently residing in Murphreesborro Tennessee but am helping brothers looking for property in Florence for our church,

In answer to another on supposed contradictions of the perfect words of Gabriel as passed on and inscribed by the prophet Mohammed, numerous are the instances in Bible where tribal names are used to mention descendants. For example, Lot is called Abraham’s brother though he was in fact Abraham's nephew. Similarly Abraham spoke to Lot saying: "We men are brothers". But Abraham was actually was the uncle of Lot! So it is no surprise that some say there a contradictions but you will only hear that from biblical enemies of the faith. There are many who have not seen the light of the truth of our faith. Honestly, we do not bother ourselves too much at my level. The bombs from my brothers in other parts of the world? Our religion is under attack. We have a right to defend our faith just as much as you do yours. Paradise awaits those martyrs who give of themselves in defense of Islam. Hell awaits everyone else. While Islam is a religion of peace, we reserve the right to attack those who attack us.  There are no innocents in this battle. There are those who accept the Truth and those who reject it. They are the enemies.

We defend just as you people defned your faith from the nonbelievers and apostates on this forum in the fight against the nonbeleivers, I stand beside my brothers in faith in God. I beleive there is enough middle ground where we beliefers can unite against these enemies of god. I can employ people who can help fight them in more effective ways if necessary.

So join me, fellow believers, while there is still time.  The Judgement of merciful Allah awaits.

 

In His Name.

 

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Tell us, Mo--

 

When some Muslim radical enters a marketplace where all kinds of people are present, that terrorist can not possibly know which of those present is a faithful and devout Muslim and which are not.  He just detonates himself and blows up everyone within the deadly reach of the explosion and the shrapnel that he has layered upon his Muslim body.  Undoubtedly, some of the victims of these numerous attacks in the Middle East have been faithful and devout Muslims.  Was it Allah's will that these people perish and that their families be bereaved,. seeing that they are indeed innocent of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time?  None of these innocent victims attacked this terrorist or his family; thus they do not fit your rationale of "the right to attack those who attack us."

 

Now, be honest with us, Mo.  Tell us how the killing of innocent men, women and children by these suicide bombers can be consistent with the Islam that you believe in and practice?

 

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:

Greetings my friends,

In answer to one, I am currently residing in Murphreesborro Tennessee but am helping brothers looking for property in Florence for our church,

In answer to another on supposed contradictions of the perfect words of Gabriel as passed on and inscribed by the prophet Mohammed, numerous are the instances in Bible where tribal names are used to mention descendants. For example, Lot is called Abraham’s brother though he was in fact Abraham's nephew. Similarly Abraham spoke to Lot saying: "We men are brothers". But Abraham was actually was the uncle of Lot! So it is no surprise that some say there a contradictions but you will only hear that from biblical enemies of the faith. There are many who have not seen the light of the truth of our faith. Honestly, we do not bother ourselves too much at my level. The bombs from my brothers in other parts of the world? Our religion is under attack. We have a right to defend our faith just as much as you do yours. Paradise awaits those martyrs who give of themselves in defense of Islam. Hell awaits everyone else. While Islam is a religion of peace, we reserve the right to attack those who attack us.  There are no innocents in this battle. There are those who accept the Truth and those who reject it. They are the enemies.

We defend just as you people defned your faith from the nonbelievers and apostates on this forum in the fight against the nonbeleivers, I stand beside my brothers in faith in God. I beleive there is enough middle ground where we beliefers can unite against these enemies of god. I can employ people who can help fight them in more effective ways if necessary.

So join me, fellow believers, while there is still time.  The Judgement of merciful Allah awaits.

 

In His Name.

 

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As we say in the deep south, Mo, that "answer" does not cut the mustard.

 

One of the  links I posted earlier poses the issue very squarely.  I have posted the pertinent part below, with my own emphasis in bold print.:

 

"Notice that the Qur'an refers to Mary (the mother of Jesus) as the "sister of Aaron" (i.e. Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron). Even Christians during the time of Muhammad recognized this error, and Muhammad had a chance to respond.

Sahih Muslim 5326--"Mughira b. Shuba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read 'O sister of Harun ["Aaron"]' (i.e. Hadrat Maryam) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them."


So Muhammad's response is that people in the time of Mary would refer to a pious young woman as the "sister of X," where X might be a prophet from 1400 years earlier. The problem is that we have no record of such a practice in first century Israel, and we don't even find it used elsewhere in the Qur'an. The obvious conclusion, then, is that Muhammad simply made a mistake, and that he tried to correct it by making something up."


Mohammed flunked out on that one, Mo.  Can you do better? I doubt it.

Now I'm suspicious. Most of the time, people who spell "Murphreesboro" have never been here.

 

I'm wondering if this is an attempt to invoke a fear response by claiming a large mosque will be built in Florence like the one here in Murfreesboro.

 

I could be wrong, but people usually know how to spell the name of the city they're living in.

.Forgive my spelling. English is not my first language. Yes I currenltly reside in  Murfreesboro but have only been here for weeks and I think you for the correction.

   Islam is a religion of peace. We want only for man to come to realse the one True religion.  Our holy book commands certain punishments be served upon the infidels just as your holy book does.  Was it not God of the Bible that said to run the enemies of God through with a sword?
  Your bible says, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who  represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from  Israel." from the book of Deuteronomy which shares much truth with the hoyl Quran.
   We are true to our Holy book.  Are you not?

 

Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

Mohammed flunked out on that one, Mo.  Can you do better? I doubt it.


The holy Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God passed through Gabriel to Mohammad. There are no mistake except those minunderstood by infidels. Our numbers far exceed those of Christians. A few of our emmisaries will be soon travelling to the Florence area to announce our plan and condut meeting with local authoritis. We will let you know when the time comes so you can come see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

 

Just stay where you are. We don't want terrorist in Alabama

 

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We come t o bring peace. The peace that can be had only from knowledge of God that will be taught in our mosque.

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moha,,, really, who are you??

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Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

Mohammed flunked out on that one, Mo.  Can you do better? I doubt it.


The holy Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God passed through Gabriel to Mohammad. There are no mistake except those minunderstood by infidels. Our numbers far exceed those of Christians. A few of our emmisaries will be soon travelling to the Florence area to announce our plan and condut meeting with local authoritis. We will let you know when the time comes so you can come see for yourself.

 

 

 

Welcome the the Forums! It will be good to have your input. Of what branch are you?

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Somrthing is not right about this Mohammad character.

September 11th really?

Skippy

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Just wait until he is greeted by Bill Gray.


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He's already met the "fireman".

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

Mohammed flunked out on that one, Mo.  Can you do better? I doubt it.


The holy Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God passed through Gabriel to Mohammad. There are no mistake except those minunderstood by infidels. Our numbers far exceed those of Christians. A few of our emmisaries will be soon travelling to the Florence area to announce our plan and condut meeting with local authoritis. We will let you know when the time comes so you can come see for yourself.

 

 

 

Are you driving over from Atlanta? Will Phae-Phae be with you?

   Elephant kindly asks what "branch" I am. Again, english is not my primary language but I take it as if you mean what sect I belong to? If os that is a most excellent question and I thank you for your interest. There are two major branches of Islam: Shiite and Sunni. I belong to the Sunni sect which is by far the largest.
   We have our political differences with our Shiite brothers as you may know but they are still our brothers united against the infdels such as those that seem to be critical of your religion here in this forum.  
   Shiites beleive that the only people eligable to lead Islam are direct decendants of the prophet Mohammed (blessed be His name), We Sunnis believe in a democratically controlled ascendency and choose to elect our leaders. (our leaders are called "caliph")  The direct decendancy is what has led to the corruption of Islam in Iran, we beleive, and has caused much turmoil in that region.

   Sunni Muslims believe that the Mahdi, or the ‘Rightfully Guided One’ is yet to  come to Earth and make his presence felt.  Shiite Muslims believe that the Mahdi  is already here and is just waiting for the right time for him to make his  reappearance.

    So, yes, I personally await the Judgement.

 

That is a beautiful question, Semiannualchick!

 

  We muslims believe that if people have done enough good deeds while on earth, and have practiced the six pillars when they experience death, they will be accepted by Allah to enjoy life with Him.         

According to the Muslims believe, those who want to go to heaven, they need to follow the things that the prophet Muhammad did through the book of Hadiths. 

    On the Day of Judgment, all the dead people will be raised up and will sit before the throne of Allah to be judged no one can deny the Day of Judgment . When the Judgment Day comes, the book of deeds will be opened where everyone’s good and bad deeds were recorded and will be judged according to what they have done on earth. The righteous people will go to paradise and the wicked will be thrown into hell. They will have no more chance to repent so as to escape from hell but rather eternity they will for be in hell.

     We believe that everyone’s bad and good deeds will be weighed or balanced by Allah. If the good deeds are more than the bad deeds, they will be automatically going to heaven. And if the bad deeds are more than the good deeds, they will go to hell. Those who are in heaven will have a chance to marry as many wives as he pleases, where as those who are in hell will have no chance to do so.

Those who are in heaven will have a chance to marry as many wives as he pleases, where as those who are in hell will have no chance to do so.

 

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So your women don't get to go to your heaven? Had to edit to ask, what's so wonderful about marrying a lot of women?

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Those who are in heaven will have a chance to marry as many wives as he pleases, where as those who are in hell will have no chance to do so.

 

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So your women don't get to go to your heaven? Had to edit to ask, what's so wonderful about marrying a lot of women?

Jen,, marrying a lot of women is the same as hell, you know that!!

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Actually Mo, its Shi'a and Sunni.   A Shi'ite is a follower of Shi'a.

 

http://www.islamfortoday.com/beliefs01.htm

 

 

Islamic Sects, Subdivisions & Groups

Islamic sects are not simply "denominations," if that word is understood to mean various valid approaches to the same religion. Members of one Islamic group do not usually recognize members of other groups as fellow Muslims, and open conflict between sects is not uncommon.

Yet, as a whole, Islam is less divided than Christianity and Judaism - the vast majority of the world's Muslims are Sunnis. And Sufism is a mystical approach to Islam that is approved as orthodox by nearly all Muslims. Follow a link below to learn about some of the largest Muslim sects and groups.

    Ahmadiyya
    Shi'a
    Sufism
    Sunni

The Koran contains many moral exhortations, forming the basis of Islamic (sharia) law. It lays down generosity and fairness and the requirements for daily prayer, alms giving, abstinence during daylight hours in the month of Ramadan and pilgrimage to Mecca.

The five pillars of the Islamic faith - the fundamental constituents of Muslim life - are: · Shahada, the profession of faith in the uniqueness of Allah and the centrality of Mohammed as his prophet · Salat, formal worship or prayer · Zakat, the giving of alms for the poor, assessed on all adult Muslims as 2.5% of capital assets once a year · Hajj, pilgrimage to Mecca, which every Muslim should undertake at least once in their lifetime; the annual hajj takes place during the last 10 days of the 12th lunar month every year · Sawm, fasting during Ramadan, the holy ninth month of the lunar year.

Early history In 622, Mohammed travelled from Mecca to Medina in the hijrah (emigration) - this forms the starting point in the Muslim dating system.

After the prophet's death his community split into followers of the caliph Abu Bakr and those who supported Mohammed's closest relative, his son-in-law, Ali ibn Abi Talib.

This division between Shia (followers of Ali) and Sunni (followers of the custom of the caliphate) persists to this day. Although both share most of the customs of the religion, Shiites place more emphasis on the guiding role of the imam.

About 90% of the world's Muslims are Sunni and about 10% Shia.

Sharia The divine law of Islam by which Muslims should live their lives.

It embraces every aspect of life, including family relations, inheritance, taxation, purification and prayer and observes no distinction between secular and religious law.

How far modern Islamic states follow this principle depends on the degree of secularisation they permit. It is essentially laid down by the Koran but has been updated and extended by fatwa (legal opinion), consensus and custom.

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
We come t o bring peace. The peace that can be had only from knowledge of God that will be taught in our mosque.

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moha,,, really, who are you??

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moha, I'll ask again, really----who are you????

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Hi Rashid:  

You announce yourself, "I am a Muslim and future Imam of the local congregation.  We are also known as Muslims or Musslemen (archaic).  We live amongst you here in the Shoals and are growing our numbers.  A Mosque to the Glory of God is in the works my friends!  It shall be located in Florence where our numbers are increasing.  I hope to introduce myself to my brothers here."  

First, let me say, "Welcome to the TimesDaily Religion Forum!"  If you have come to share your faith, we welcome your thoughts and comments.  Most of us will disagree with you.  But, if you come in peace -- we welcome you in peace.

When you say a Mosque to the Glory of God that is not really true.  You mean a Mosque to the Glory of Allah.  There is a world of difference.    

We welcome you -- yet, if you have come to declare, "He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost" (Quran 3:85) -- we could have a problem.  Why?  Because in this, you are saying that Islam is the only acceptable religion.  Now, if you stick to the fact that Islam is a RELIGION, we are okay -- for there are many world  religions -- but, only one Christianity.  

And, if you have come to declare that Jesus Christ is not the preexisting Son of God -- or that Muhammad is, in any way, above Jesus Christ -- that will be a problem.  

Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, eternal, preexisting, and forevermore.   Muhammad was born in 570 AD.   Jesus Christ went about teaching and helping, healing the sick and raising the dead.  Muhammad began his ministry by robbing caravans, killing people to amass the funds to build an army -- to allow him to conquer Mecca.  That is quite a spread between the two.  

The Bible contains all the Old Testament Scripture, Psalms, the four Gospels as well as all the other New Testament books  

The Qur'an omits the Old Testament Scripture, Psalms, the four Gospels.  The Qur'an contains nothing before Muhammad hid away in a cave about 610 AD.  

The Bible speaks of a personal God who is involved in all matters of our Christian lives.  

The Qur'an speaks of a very impersonal god, Allah, who is distant from the daily lives of his followers.  

My Friend, Islam may be one of, or the leading, world religions.  But, there is no salvation in the Qur'an nor in Islam.  

Once again, welcome to the Religion Forum.   Rashid, you may find many brothers and sisters here -- for there are those, in other world religions such as atheism, secularism, etc. --  who would side with Satan himself -- if it will give them a way to denigrate Christianity.  But, my Friend, you will not find many Islamic "brothers" here.  Those I will call brother or sister -- are those who are brothers and sisters in Christ only.  

But, still, we welcome you and pray that you can add dimension to our discussions.  

Let me close by asking you a question.  We continually hear of people who have converted FROM Islam to Christianity -- being put to death.  There is an ongoing case now, I believe, in Iran.   What would YOU do if one of your Islamic followers converted to Christianity?  Would YOU call for his/her death?  

Well, one more last question.  Are you an American who converted to Islam -- or were you born in an Islamic country?  I believe that will affect the previous question I asked you.  

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
The holy Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God passed through Gabriel to Mohammad. There are no mistake except those minunderstood by infidels. Our numbers far exceed those of Christians. A few of our emmisaries will be soon travelling to the Florence area to announce our plan and condut meeting with local authoritis. We will let you know when the time comes so you can come see for yourself.

Hi Rashid,

 

Yet, the Mormons claim their Book of Mormon was given to them by the angel Moroni -- and that it is the only perfect sacred book.  Let me see -- the Qur'an in a cave in the Middle East in 610 AD; the Book of Mormon in a cave in New York in the early 1800s AD.

 

And, the Bible, first books written by Moses -- written by 40 men living in diverse geographic locations, over a period of 1600 years -- and it has a unified message -- the salvation of mankind.

 

What message does the Qur'an have -- convert or kill the infidel! 

 

Most Muslims call for the complete annihilation of Israel.   Is that a religion of peace?

 

Sharia Law calls for any Muslim who converts to Christianity -- to be killed.   Is that a religion of peace?

 

My Friend, I don't think your "religion of peace" is going to find a good reception in the Shoals area.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Rashid,

 

Like a number of my Forum Friends -- I, too, have my suspicions.   We have one Forum Friend who likes to create many, many different posting names -- for what reason I am not sure.  But, the name

"Mohammad Suket Rashid" sort of rings like one he would create.

 

If you are truly who you say you are, welcome.  If you are our multi-named Friend -- please quit playing games and just join in our discussions like a big boy.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Mo: We warn you! We will unleash Bill upon you and your kind! I actually feel sorry for you.

 

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LOL, and after one of bill's 12 page "posts" moham will be running to volunteer to be a suicide bomber. I don't think it is NSNS. We had a "new" poster at the same time that was "taking on" moham. Read it from the beginning and see what you pick up on.

 

         Bill here I am minding my own business and Low and Behold, here comes Bill.

 

You say,

         Hi Rashid,

“Yet, the Mormons claim their Book of Mormon was given to them by the angel Moroni -- and that it is the only perfect sacred book. Let me see -- the Qur'an in a cave in the Middle East in 610 AD; the Book of Mormon in a cave in New York in the early 1800s.” AD.

 

Well let me Quote Jon Stewart,

 

      “And Moses went up Mount Sinai and got the Ten Commandments from a Burning Bush.” On Stone Tablets to boot.

 

If your going to go at it with Rashid, go for it you infidel. Plus Bill your totally whacked on your Biblical interpretations. No Rain Before Noah? Really?  Once Saved Always Saved?  Nope, wrong again Mr. Bill. Remember I’m minding my own business you infidel.  You can't claim I said anything like you and Beternun like to claim.

Skippy

 

Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

So moha, you people are still mad at the Jews because of the Ismael thing?

That was just a hospital mishap, could have happened to anyone.

 

Anyway, the courts awarded Agar with a sausage maker and everyone

should be happy.

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Quit being an ass Vic! 

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Just a helping hand to soothe things over can't hurt.

 

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Some usual suspects:

1. Unob--he claims total innocence.

2. Deep - it may be a slow day at Madam Ruby's in Pasadena

3. Jimi - maybe he's going for the Cab Calloway look and got his hair gel on too tight. (I doubt it's Jimi; humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.)

 

The Semi-usual suspects:

1. Ubu-Woobu - He's an outside chance, but if so, the Kitten Fairy will not only be visiting him, she will make sure the little darlings wear orange and blue ribbons.

2. Cage - If he'd concoct Rum Mama, he wouldn't hesitate to do a Muslim.

3. TBG - He does so much better relating his harrowing experiences with hench broads.

 

Outside chances:

1. Michael Rennie - He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

2. Omar Shariff - He hasn't had a decent acting job in this Century.

3. The entire UNA student body - Classes may have just started back, but they're bored already.

 

 

Just a passing thought...Does anyone really know what Klaatu Barada Nikto really means?

 

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

 humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.

 

 He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

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I have Cousins, Aunts, & Uncle's that live in Russellville. They've never blown up an outhouse, & they are not in short supply of humor at all. When's the last time you saw an outhouse in Russellville?

 

Just curious what your problem with Sweetwater is?

 

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

Some usual suspects:

1. Unob--he claims total innocence.

2. Deep - it may be a slow day at Madam Ruby's in Pasadena

3. Jimi - maybe he's going for the Cab Calloway look and got his hair gel on too tight. (I doubt it's Jimi; humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.)

 

The Semi-usual suspects:

1. Ubu-Woobu - He's an outside chance, but if so, the Kitten Fairy will not only be visiting him, she will make sure the little darlings wear orange and blue ribbons.

2. Cage - If he'd concoct Rum Mama, he wouldn't hesitate to do a Muslim.

3. TBG - He does so much better relating his harrowing experiences with hench broads.

 

Outside chances:

1. Michael Rennie - He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

2. Omar Shariff - He hasn't had a decent acting job in this Century.

3. The entire UNA student body - Classes may have just started back, but they're bored already.

 

 

Just a passing thought...Does anyone really know what Klaatu Barada Nikto really means?

 

I always guessed it meant:"Go get my body, put in mayonnaise and reanimate me'. No?  LOL

 

BTW, Jimi would not waste the time, Unob would claim innocence anyway and DF is mostly AWOL.

CAGE is a likely suspect.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

 humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.

 

 He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

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I have Cousins, Aunts, & Uncle's that live in Russellville. They've never blown up an outhouse, & they are not in short supply of humor at all. When's the last time you saw an outhouse in Russellville?

 

Just curious what your problem with Sweetwater is?

 

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My Russellville comment was directed at Jimi, whom I've never seen make a humorous remark.

As for Sweetwater, here's one good source: http://ripplesfromsweetwatermansion.blogspot.com/

Here's another from a former committee member: http://shoalscrime.blogspot.co...weetwater-crime.html

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

Some usual suspects:

1. Unob--he claims total innocence.

2. Deep - it may be a slow day at Madam Ruby's in Pasadena

3. Jimi - maybe he's going for the Cab Calloway look and got his hair gel on too tight. (I doubt it's Jimi; humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.)

 

The Semi-usual suspects:

1. Ubu-Woobu - He's an outside chance, but if so, the Kitten Fairy will not only be visiting him, she will make sure the little darlings wear orange and blue ribbons.

2. Cage - If he'd concoct Rum Mama, he wouldn't hesitate to do a Muslim.

3. TBG - He does so much better relating his harrowing experiences with hench broads.

 

Outside chances:

1. Michael Rennie - He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

2. Omar Shariff - He hasn't had a decent acting job in this Century.

3. The entire UNA student body - Classes may have just started back, but they're bored already.

 

 

Just a passing thought...Does anyone really know what Klaatu Barada Nikto really means?

 

 

 

I am aghast! You uncouth twiddle! Cages talent is so , that were he to "do" a Muslim, it would be with the correct  accent! 


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Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

Some usual suspects:

1. Unob--he claims total innocence.

2. Deep - it may be a slow day at Madam Ruby's in Pasadena

3. Jimi - maybe he's going for the Cab Calloway look and got his hair gel on too tight. (I doubt it's Jimi; humor in Russellville consists of blowing up outhouses.)

 

The Semi-usual suspects:

1. Ubu-Woobu - He's an outside chance, but if so, the Kitten Fairy will not only be visiting him, she will make sure the little darlings wear orange and blue ribbons.

2. Cage - If he'd concoct Rum Mama, he wouldn't hesitate to do a Muslim.

3. TBG - He does so much better relating his harrowing experiences with hench broads.

 

Outside chances:

1. Michael Rennie - He's taken up residence at Sweetwater and feels lonely with only a werewolf and Bigfoot to talk to.

2. Omar Shariff - He hasn't had a decent acting job in this Century.

3. The entire UNA student body - Classes may have just started back, but they're bored already.

 

 

Just a passing thought...Does anyone really know what Klaatu Barada Nikto really means?

 

I always guessed it meant:"Go get my body, put in mayonnaise and reanimate me'. No?  LOL

 

BTW, Jimi would not waste the time, Unob would claim innocence anyway and DF is mostly AWOL.

CAGE is a likely suspect.

 

 

Sherlock!  Cage would indeed be the type to go out and spend money on 3 computers just to be able to log 3 people at the same time  and torment the faceless phantoms on a world- influencing Forum.

OR!  He could be using ONE computer that's tapped into satellites of NORAD, Comcast, and The Cartoon Network...OR, he may have payed legions of geeks just to log on at the same time...

Yep, I do believe you are right! He thinks his "message" is that important.

Just wait 'till " Glenn" shows up!...Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 

BTW, Jimi would not waste the time, Unob would claim innocence anyway and DF is mostly AWOL.

CAGE is a likely suspect.

 

Thus far, I've been accused of being no less that 3 or 4 people.  Arob, TheAngle and . . . A couple of others so, sure, I'm the most likely suspect by default.  Foiled again!

Rashid, just two questions for you if you don't mind.

 

First, if I were to turn right out of the parking lot of the current Islamic Center, what would be the first intersection I would come to?

 

Second, Jesus stated that he was sent from the Father. He forgave sins and was honored as God. The Quaran claims that He is not divine, but just a prophet. If He was just a prophet, wouldn't his actions be blasphemous?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
 

Thus far, I've been accused of being no less that 3 or 4 people.  Arob, TheAngle and . . . A couple of others so, sure, I'm the most likely suspect by default.  Foiled again!

But you make such a good suspect!!    LOL 

I don't know how anyone confused you with Nagel.  Fish maybe? 

 

Doesn't matter.  I think that if Mo was real, he would at least know the basics of his own faith.

While the post is made in jest, I assume, this wonderful religion of Mohammed, who today would be considered a pedophile, allowed men to control at least four woman at a time, divorce easily, and to enter into temp marriages with prostitutes if it suited their purposes. Those women who claim Islam is liberating have the proverbial screw loose.

 

Women in Saudi Arabia today cannot drive...and this is a relatively modern country. Alleged adulteresses are stoned and those who are raped are punished for the crimes of their attackers. There is so much wrong with Islam that it would take every Redwood tree in California to produce enough paper to publish it.

 

Say what you will about Christianity, but it does separate the State from the Home and the Church. Women have as much freedom in business and government as the glass ceiling will allow. They may turn into Hillary Clinton, but everything in life is a trade off.

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
 

Thus far, I've been accused of being no less that 3 or 4 people.  Arob, TheAngle and . . . A couple of others so, sure, I'm the most likely suspect by default.  Foiled again!

But you make such a good suspect!!    LOL 

I don't know how anyone confused you with Nagel.  Fish maybe? 

 

Doesn't matter.  I think that if Mo was real, he would at least know the basics of his own faith.

 

I'm a bit umm, scared to take this person on so I am refraining from responding but he proabbly woun't mind if I defended his faith.

 

I see nothing posted by him so far that indicated an ignorance of his supposed faith.  From what I can tell, he is right on the money with their doctrines.  So what basics does he have wrong?

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Women in Saudi Arabia today cannot drive...and this is a relatively modern country. Alleged adulteresses are stoned and those who are raped are punished for the crimes of their attackers. There is so much wrong with Islam that it would take every Redwood tree in California to produce enough paper to publish it.

 

 

 

Fire, we are only a few years removed from the same kinds of laws against women.  The Christian faith still insists that women be submissive to their man - I give you Michell Bachman's comments that have been in the news.  It may be argued that the Islamic faith is a bit less evolved than the Christian religion here in the US but we see plenty of evidence of the second class status of Christian women in many parets of the world.  

 

I propose to you that the subjugation of women is more biblically correct that all this equality nonsense.

Originally Posted by NashBama:

 

Second, Jesus stated that he was sent from the Father. He forgave sins and was honored as God. The Quaran claims that He is not divine, but just a prophet. If He was just a prophet, wouldn't his actions be blasphemous?

 

Nash, the Jewish faith claims the same thing.  You tell me: Are they blasphemous?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
 

Thus far, I've been accused of being no less that 3 or 4 people.  Arob, TheAngle and . . . A couple of others so, sure, I'm the most likely suspect by default.  Foiled again!

But you make such a good suspect!!    LOL 

I don't know how anyone confused you with Nagel.  Fish maybe? 

 

Doesn't matter.  I think that if Mo was real, he would at least know the basics of his own faith.

 

I'm a bit umm, scared to take this person on so I am refraining from responding but he proabbly woun't mind if I defended his faith.

 

I see nothing posted by him so far that indicated an ignorance of his supposed faith.  From what I can tell, he is right on the money with their doctrines.  So what basics does he have wrong?


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Unoi, in your case I agree you need to just take your chikn’ **** self on out of the religious forum.

Ole Mo did threaten you with “GRAVE” consequences.

That in it’s self is grounds to report MO to Homeland Security for what I see as a terrorist threat. ……..if it’s one of us I suggest MO better move on too and quit posting.

Otherwise I’ll report it myself.

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:

.Forgive my spelling. English is not my first language. Yes I currenltly reside in  Murfreesboro but have only been here for weeks and I think you for the correction.

   Islam is a religion of peace. We want only for man to come to realse the one True religion.  Our holy book commands certain punishments be served upon the infidels just as your holy book does.  Was it not God of the Bible that said to run the enemies of God through with a sword?
  Your bible says, "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who  represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from  Israel." from the book of Deuteronomy which shares much truth with the hoyl Quran.
   We are true to our Holy book.  Are you not?

XXXXX

 

Mo,

You can put up all the propaganda you want to about your "religion of peace."  But what I would like you to do is to answer the question I submited to you above.  You have obviously been avoiding it,  Therefore, I will repeat it here for your encouragement.  Show some backbone, Mo, and stirr up your Islamic courage, if you have any, and forthrightly address this question.  Here it is again:

 

When some Muslim radical enters a marketplace where all kinds of people are present, that terrorist can not possibly know which of those present is a faithful and devout Muslim and which are not.  He just detonates himself and blows up everyone within the deadly reach of the explosion and the shrapnel that he has layered upon his Muslim body.  Undoubtedly, some of the victims of these numerous attacks in the Middle East have been faithful and devout Muslims.  Was it Allah's will that these people perish and that their families be bereaved,. seeing that they are indeed innocent of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time?  None of these innocent victims attacked this terrorist or his family; thus they do not fit your rationale of "the right to attack those who attack us."

 

Now, be honest with us, Mo.  Tell us how the killing of innocent men, women and children by these suicide bombers can be consistent with the Islam that you believe in and practice?

What say you , Mo? How does this kind of behavior square with your description of a "religion of peace"?

Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

What say you , Mo? How does this kind of behavior square with your description of a "religion of peace"?

 

Are you sure you want to pull that thread, Contendah?

Shall I point out specific versus of the bible that blatantly justify the killing (or worse) of people who do not believe as you do?   Do you REALLY assert that Christianity is a much more peaceful religion than Islam?  Do I need to point you to the murder of an abortion doctor? The bombing of Olympic Park?  The Inquisition? Witch hunts?  The KKK? Adolph Hitler?

 

Shall I examine the beam in your eye while you dissect the splinter in Mo's? 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
I'm a bit umm, scared to take this person on so I am refraining from responding but he proabbly woun't mind if I defended his faith.

 

I see nothing posted by him so far that indicated an ignorance of his supposed faith.  From what I can tell, he is right on the money with their doctrines.  So what basics does he have wrong?

 

What caught my attention was saying that the two main sects of Islam is Shiite and Sunni.

It's Shi'a and Sunni. Just didn't sound right. I also doubt that anyone of the Muslim faith would post in this forum from Tenn.

Originally Posted by b50m:
What caught my attention was saying that the two main sects of Islam is Shiite and Sunni.

It's Shi'a and Sunni. Just didn't sound right.

 

Hmm. I never heard about "Shi'a" on the news but we hear about the Shiites all the time.  I'm guessing Shi'a and ****te are one in the same?  . . . . Hold a sec, let me consult the oracle: . . . .

 

... It appears there are 150 sects of Islam but the two main ones are Shiite or Sunni so Mo is correct. It's a little difficult to tell if "shiite" and "Shi'as" are interchangeable but my googleing suggests that Shiite is proper. And so is "Shi'a."  Perhaps a "shiite" is a follower of "Shi'a" just as I see mentioned of "Sunni's" being followers of "Sunnite."  

 

They appear to like each other about as much as Baptists like Catholics.

 

Sources: http://hnn.us/articles/934.html and http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia.htm 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

 

Second, Jesus stated that he was sent from the Father. He forgave sins and was honored as God. The Quaran claims that He is not divine, but just a prophet. If He was just a prophet, wouldn't his actions be blasphemous?

 

Nash, the Jewish faith claims the same thing.  You tell me: Are they blasphemous?

No, it's apples & oranges.

 

Jews are waiting for the Messiah, Christians believe He's already come and fulfilled His duty. Not blasphemous to me, you'll have to ask someone Jewish about their side.

 

For Muslims, if Jesus claimed to be the Son of God or divine, it's shirk. That's why your question to me doesn't work, shirk is a Islamic concept. So either Jesus is who he claimed to be, which is shirk, or He's not which means He lied.

 

My question for Rashid is to clarify which one is true. Is He divine or did He lie?

Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

 

 The Quaran claims that (Jesus)  is not divine, but just a prophet. If He was just a prophet, wouldn't his actions be blasphemous?

 

Nash, the Jewish faith claims the same thing.  You tell me: Are they blasphemous?

No, it's apples & oranges.

 

Jews are waiting for the Messiah, Christians believe He's already come and fulfilled His duty. Not blasphemous to me.

 

No Nash.  It is EXACTLY the same thing.  The Jews (well, many/most of them) believed Jesus existed but was just a man, too. Some say perhaps he was a prophet.  Exactly like Islam.

 

So according to you, the following would have to be considered blasphemous: 

 

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm 

"What About Jesus?

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do."

 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
 

 

 

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm 

"What About Jesus?

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do."

 

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Thats OK, don't worry about it. You don't know the difference between

a Bible and a cook book.

 

Iv

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

 

 The Quaran claims that (Jesus)  is not divine, but just a prophet. If He was just a prophet, wouldn't his actions be blasphemous?

 

Nash, the Jewish faith claims the same thing.  You tell me: Are they blasphemous?

No, it's apples & oranges.

 

Jews are waiting for the Messiah, Christians believe He's already come and fulfilled His duty. Not blasphemous to me.

 

No Nash.  It is EXACTLY the same thing.  The Jews (well, many/most of them) believed Jesus existed but was just a man, too. Some say perhaps he was a prophet.  Exactly like Islam.

 

So according to you, the following would have to be considered blasphemous: 

 

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm 

"What About Jesus?

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do."

 

You're missing it.

 

Look up "shirk".

 

The question is for Rashid to answer. Since you don't believe in any god, then blasphemy does not exist. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether I think it is or isn't. You're kind of left out on this one, so sit back and let's see how Rashid responds.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

What say you , Mo? How does this kind of behavior square with your description of a "religion of peace"?

 

Are you sure you want to pull that thread, Contendah?

Shall I point out specific versus of the bible that blatantly justify the killing (or worse) of people who do not believe as you do?   Do you REALLY assert that Christianity is a much more peaceful religion than Islam?  Do I need to point you to the murder of an abortion doctor? The bombing of Olympic Park?  The Inquisition? Witch hunts?  The KKK? Adolph Hitler?

 

Shall I examine the beam in your eye while you dissect the splinter in Mo's? 

 

 

I hope you are drunk and posting this...if not, you have completely lost your mind.

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

Mohammed flunked out on that one, Mo.  Can you do better? I doubt it.


The holy Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God passed through Gabriel to Mohammad. There are no mistake except those minunderstood by infidels. Our numbers far exceed those of Christians. A few of our emmisaries will be soon travelling to the Florence area to announce our plan and condut meeting with local authoritis. We will let you know when the time comes so you can come see for yourself.

Your claim about numbers of Muslims is WRONG, Mo.  Here is the correct info:

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

 

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

 

IN all of these sources, you guys are Number 2 and Chrisatianity heads the list.

 

Where do you get YOUR information, Mo?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

What say you , Mo? How does this kind of behavior square with your description of a "religion of peace"?

 

Are you sure you want to pull that thread, Contendah?

Shall I point out specific versus of the bible that blatantly justify the killing (or worse) of people who do not believe as you do?   Do you REALLY assert that Christianity is a much more peaceful religion than Islam?  Do I need to point you to the murder of an abortion doctor? The bombing of Olympic Park?  The Inquisition? Witch hunts?  The KKK? Adolph Hitler?

 

Shall I examine the beam in your eye while you dissect the splinter in Mo's? 


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Just in case you missed it, Unobtanium, this thread is not about the purported excesses of Christianity in history.  Rashid is attempting to make a case for his religion,  Rashid claims it is a religion of peace.  It is fair game to question that claim on the basis of what is going on in this world  in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Muslim suicide bombers are randomly killing Muslims.  If you want to open another thread focusing on the comparative sins of various religions through history, then feel free to do so, but you are veering off-topic when you imply that I should include that kind of information in my to-the-point query to Rashid.

 

There is no reason for me to pull the topic I posted. As to pulling the "thread," that is not within my power. It is the prerogative of the forum administrator.  See him about that if you feel that strongly about it.

Originally Posted by NashBama:

You're missing it.

 

Look up "shirk".

 

The question is for Rashid to answer. Since you don't believe in any god, then blasphemy does not exist. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether I think it is or isn't. You're kind of left out on this one, so sit back and let's see how Rashid responds.

 

No, it matters.  If you are to be consistent, the only logical answer is to say, "Yes, Jews (and Hindus and Buddhists and all other non-christian religions) are all blasphemous.  I don't have to believe in a god (note the capitalization, Ono, this is a reference to a "generic" god and not the god named God!) to understand the concept of blasphemy.  From my vantage point of outside looking in, you are just as guilty and inconsistent as our new friend Mo is.

It's perfectly accept to state that Jews are being blasphemous, Nash. No harm is done to your stance by admitting that.  To do so, you must be prepared to assert that ALL religions are ALL blasphemous to each other.  The trick is to know which of them is the "correct" religion.  

There is so much to respond to here but so little time, my friends. I shall endevor to answer them in good tiime.  Nashbama, your isights are interesting my friend but yes it is true that Jesus was just a prophet. A supremely worthy prophet but just a prophet.

Jesus is known to us a Isa.  Muslims do believe that Isa is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.  Like Isa, Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (Peace be upon him) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him.  Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete,  with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically.  God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator.
  So my friend I cannot say that I blaspheme Jesus' name when we state he was not the son of God.  This is our faith. This beleif is required of us. What reference do you have that proves you are correct?

In peace.

We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. 

 

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End all wars? How? Is he going to do away with all religion?

My new friend Mr. Bil Gray.

I shall enjoy speaking wiht you about our faith in hopes of clensing you of your nonbelief in Allah, the lord and creator of the universe and his messenger Mohammed, peace be upon him.  The history of Islam is far older than Christianity. Abraham (we write his name as: إبراهيم,) is recognized in Islam as a prophet and apostle of God and patriarch of many peoples. In Muslim belief, Abraham fulfilled all the commandments and trials which God tried him with over his lifetime. As a result of his unwavering faith in God, Abraham was promised by God to be a leader to all the nations of the world. Abraham, in Muslim belief, embodies the type of the perfect Muslim and the Qur'an mentions Abraham as a model for mankind.

 So my friend, my religion has the same root as yours and thus we can be said to worship the same God, Allah. That is a very good thing for you! We differ on who the last prophet was. It is not such a major difference but the fact is that your Jesus did not fulfil all the prophecies but Mohammed did.  These are the facts as we know them. Peace be upon you. 

 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. 

 

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End all wars? How? Is he going to do away with all religion?

My friend Jennifer, once the day of Judgement comes, the niverse will be destroyed and none but Brothers and Sisters in Islam will be admitted into heaven. Thus the universe will finally at long last be at peace.

 

Allah said, as revealed by the prophet Mohammed, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter." (Quran, 3:85)

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:
Originally Posted by Jennifer:

We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. 

 

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End all wars? How? Is he going to do away with all religion?

My friend Jennifer, once the day of Judgement comes, the niverse will be destroyed and none but Brothers and Sisters in Islam will be admitted into heaven. Thus the universe will finally at long last be at peace.

 

Allah said, as revealed by the prophet Mohammed, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter." (Quran, 3:85)


My God the Father of Jesus Christ who is Lord and Savoir of this World is the God of Abraham, Father of us all, Creator of the Universe. He is a God of love not of hate like yours. He loves us all and this means you to Rashid. To you and your clan I am an infadel, one to be destroyed. Let me warn you Rashid (if that is who you are) if you carry hate to the grave, you will be amongst those who hate.

Try the love thing, it's pretty nice.

 

May your flock of goats multiply.

Skippy

Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:

There is so much to respond to here but so little time, my friends. I shall endevor to answer them in good tiime.  Nashbama, your isights are interesting my friend but yes it is true that Jesus was just a prophet. A supremely worthy prophet but just a prophet.

Jesus is known to us a Isa.  Muslims do believe that Isa is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.  Like Isa, Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (Peace be upon him) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him.  Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete,  with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically.  God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator.
  So my friend I cannot say that I blaspheme Jesus' name when we state he was not the son of God.  This is our faith. This beleif is required of us. What reference do you have that proves you are correct?

In peace.

Luke 22:70. Does this mean you believe Jesus, or Isa as you call him, lied?

 

Also, if you do not believe Jesus was crucified, then that means that his disciples also lied by claiming He was. It also goes against the historical evidence that shows Christianity began with the events surrounding a crucifixion.

 

So if the Qur'an claims that Jesus is not divine, yet Jesus Himself showed that He was, then which one is true and why?

 

Also, do Muslims have any kind of assurance that they are saved?

Originally Posted by Contendah:
There is no reason for me to pull the topic I posted. As to pulling the "thread," that is not within my power. It is the prerogative of the forum administrator.  See him about that if you feel that strongly about it.

 

"Pulling the thread" is a metaphor. Envision pulling a loose thread on a sweater then imagine the inevitable results and you'll get the idea.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

That's easy,

Their assurance is a bomb strapped to their five year olds waist.

Skippy


Skippy, is Warren Jeffs an accurate representative of your Mormon religion?


Sorry to disappoint you but you have the wrong religion. Kinda like the Lutheran Church is a sect of the Catholic Church.

Skippy

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