If Abortion is Legel?

If she's pregnant, the baby hasn't been aborted.

because neither her death nor the death of the potential baby were by her choice.

you may as well ask why isn't the guy that provides the lethal injection in an execution isn't charged with premeditated murder.

the condemned is just as dead as if he were shanked in his cell, but one death is a crime, and the other is not. even if the guy that gets shanked was on death row, it would still be murder, but letting him lay down and be injected and then dying is not.

it's a matter of will, intention, and the law.

one is legal, one is not. if you kill a guy who's trying to rape your wife, he's still dead, but you aren't imprisoned for murder for the rest of your life. why not? you killed the guy, he's still dead, shouldn't you be charged with murder as well?

OK, I agree with you and semi, I was just thinking that the fetus was not yet a person

or alive. So no harm done except the mother was killed.

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 I did find this,,,

Federal lawmakers are considering a controversial bill that would make it a crime to injure or kill a fetus during the commission of a federal violent crime against a pregnant woman.

The bill, which sponsors are calling "Laci and Connor's law" is backed by Sharon Rocha, the mother of Laci Peterson, who was eight months pregnant when she was slain in California in 2002. Scott Peterson, her widower, is being charged both with Laci's slaying, and the slaying of their unborn son, Connor, because California is one of 29 states with so-called fetal homicide laws.

Supporters of the federal bill say that it helps tighten up federal criminal code. But opponents charge that the bill is all about abortion politics and that supporters are exploiting the Peterson murder. The proposed law grants "personhood" status to a fetus, and would be the first time that federal law established individual legal rights for a fetus, separate from those enjoyed by the mother.

What do you think of the federal law? Do you think it is a way to protect unborn babies, or is it a case of abortion politics? Fill out the e-mail form below.

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The law in most states states that a fetus older than 24 weeks (6 months) is considered a "person" and therefore a double homicide.  I will probably confuse the hell out of you if I state that I 100% agree.  But murdering the same woman at 1 week is not a double homicide.  

So what is the difference there?  Anyone? 

no surprises here Unob. this is one subject i think we're pretty close on.

i agree with the law as well..

to me, it seems there are four major opinions on abortion....

pro-choice - people like me, who think the decision is entirely up to hte pregnant woman, whether we agree with her decision or not.

pro-fetus - people that think abortion should be outlawed under any circumstance, except possibly to save the life of the woman, and even then they'll give you dirty looks and try to debate it. " how much do you really like her, anyway? who are you to try and alter God's choice by trying to save her life?"

pro-life - believes that abortion should only be used to save the mother, or in the cast of incest or rape.

Pro abortion - the ones who think abortions should should be legal almost up till the point the woman goes into laber  (liek those late term abortions discussed someplace else) and available to any female at any time at any age for any reason.

it seems like it's the pro-abortion people who are protesting this law...

and the difference is, again, volition... choice.. the woman didn't choose to end the potential human she was carrying. the choice was taken form her, so the responsibility for it's death falls upon the man who took the mothers life as well.

 personally... i think the woman 1 week pregnant should also count as a double homicide. 1 life, 1 potential life, both lost because of the killers actions... i think this, because it wasn't her choice to terminate that potential human. he ended something that is, and somethign that might have been.

and he should should be punished for both crimes.

Hi Vic,

You tell us that you are Roman Catholic -- and you vehemently disagree with me when I questions Roman Catholic traditions, dogmas, and rituals.  Yet, you now tell us that life does not begin at conception?  You now are telling us that the fetus, the unborn baby, is not yet a person?

You argue with me when I question the Roman Catholic teachings.  Yet, you are taking a stand on abortion and conception that is the TOTAL OPPOSITE of the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. 

I have to ask.  Are you Roman Catholic ONLY when it is convenient, only when the Roman Catholic church supports your beliefs?  You are opposing your Pope -- and, yet, you get mad when I do this?  Why?

Vic, are you a RCINO (Roman Catholic In Name Only)?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, I'm curious if you agree with everything the Baptist teach?

only when he's the baptist teaching it.

because, of course, only bill knows the mind of god, and can pass judgement in His place.

just ask him... Bill is God.

at least, in his own mind.

Hi Chick,

We Baptist do not have a Pope; nor do we have Papal Decrees, Dogmas, and Traditions.  Every Baptist church is autonomous.  And, while most Baptists do generally agree upon the Essential Christian Beliefs or Doctrines; every church determines its own guidelines.

In the Roman Catholic church -- for a Roman Catholic to disagree with the Pope -- is, well, anathema!  Keep in mind, that, in their minds -- he is infallible when he speaks on spiritual matters.

And, I would say that abortion most certainly does fall with the Pope's teachings on spiritual matters.   Yet, our Friend, Vic, seems to NOT agree with his Pope on this issue.  Makes one wonder, on what other issues does Vic disagree with the Supreme Leader of his church?

And, if Vic does disagree with his Pope -- why is he still Roman Catholic?  Or, is he Roman Catholic only when it is convenient?  Just curious why he so vehemently disagreed with me over issues of the Roman Catholic church -- when he disagrees with it?

But, Chick, thank you for raising this question and allowing me to expound upon it more fully.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Well, thank you for enlightening me on the point that the Baptist don't have a Pope!!!

I'm sure that when the Pope hears that Vic disagrees with him on something, he will send his dudes after Vic & shoot him!

He'll no doubt send Fr. Guido Sarducci to handle that job.

Hey, Chick,

I am always happy to help a Friend!  Glad I could enlighten you.   If you have any more questions; please feel free to ask.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Most of u should have been aborted along time ago....