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Hi Jennifer:
I believe in souls. I believe I have one and you have one. I’ll tell you what I believe about them.

I believe that the soul is the entity which is co-created by the decisions of you material and mortal mind and also with the divine spirit which lives within your mind… an actual fragment of God.

I believe that we are born as animals. After all we are descended from animals… we evolved from animals…. We ARE animals.

But we, us, the human race, we are also something more. We are the animals which evolved to the point where we could comprehend the concept of God, and at that moment we were set apart from our animal cousins… at that moment in evolution we became self conscious and became human.

Only human beings are self conscious. Animals perceive the world, but only human beings see themselves as individuals. Animal reasoning just is not up to that level of self consciousness. That’s why you don’t see dolphins training humans.

But I digress…

OK, I have explained why I at least think human beings are separate from animals. Now I will attempt to explain how I see us as beings with souls.

When we, the little human animal, reaches that stage of mental development where we make our first moral decision, at that moment a fragment of God comes to live within our minds. And it is in cooperation with that divine fragment that our mortal and material minds begin to co-create our souls… the only portion of what we are now which will survive death.

The soul is just like us, it IS us, the best of us at least. It is the result of all the goodness, of all the love you give in this short life. I believe that the only things we will take from this short life are our personalities (another gift of the Father) and our souls, the transcript of all we did in this life which was really worth doing.

So what are you doing to build your soul? Are you giving the benefit of the doubt to your fellows? Are you treating your fellows with love and compassion? Are you reaching out to make a conscious attempt to love your fellow men and women and truly become their friend? Then you are building a great soul. Or are you self absorbed, self centered and self satisfied? Then you are building a mean and little soul.

The great thing is, the choice is yours and yours alone.

Al
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Originally posted by Jennifer: If you believe humans have souls when do you think it enters and leaves a body? In your opinion does it enter a body at birth or at conception?

Hi Jennifer,

Personally, I believe that God created man as a triune being: body, soul, and spirit.

Obviously, the body is the physical body which goes into the grave upon death -- but, will be resurrected as an immortal body at the Rapture for believers -- or at the Great White Throne judgment for non-believers.

The soul, in my belief, is that part of us which evolves around the mind -- our personality, our being, that part of us which makes us unique and which allows us to commune with other people and with all of God's creation. It is the abstract part of us which lives forever. It is that part of believers which, upon death, goes into the presence of God to await the resurrection of our immortal bodies at the Rapture. And, it is that part of non-believers which goes into Hades/Torment upon death to await the final resurrection.

Our spirit is that connection with God which allows us to commune directly with God. Man was created with a spirit -- but, Adam's sin of disobedience broke that connection. When God told Adam and Eve that if they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil -- they will die, He meant both physical death and spiritual death.

When Adam disobeyed God; the spiritual death was immediate; man lost his spiritual connection to God and could no longer commune directly with God. Physical death also entered the creation; but, it was set in motion, not to die immediately, but to begin the process of physical death.

So, today, before becoming a Christian believer -- man is a two dimensional being: physical body and abstract soul or mind. When a person becomes a Christian believer -- at that moment, his/her spiritual connection with God is restored. At that moment, the believer is sealed and indwelled by the Holy Spirit until the moment of our redemption (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30) -- which is death or the Rapture. Upon becoming a Christian believer -- we once again become a triune being: body, soul, and spirit.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by bluetick:
If, as an atheist, I wanted to read about the rapture in the Bible, where would I find it? Also I would like to read about the firey pit of hell. Where would I find that?

Hi Tick,

Glad you asked! For the Rapture, start with John 14:1-3; then go over to 1 Corinthians 15:50-53; then jump over to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

No, you will not see the word "Rapture" there; that is, unless you are reading the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. In verse 17 of the English Bible you will see the phrase "caught up" which, in the Latin Vulgate translation, is the Latin word "rapiemur" which has been transliterated into the English word "Rapture." So, yes, the word "Rapture" is indeed in the Bible.

Then, you ask about the "fiery pit." You will find this at:

Revelation 19:20, "And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone."

Revelation 20:10, "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Revelation 20:14, "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."

Revelation 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Of course, if you want to read in more detail about hell, you can visit Luke 16:19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. There, hell is Hades/Torment.

Tick, I pray that I have given you a good start -- and that YOU will be encouraged to get into a study of the Bible to prove me wrong.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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[quote Al]But we, us, the human race, we are also something more. We are the animals which evolved to the point where we could comprehend the concept of God, and at that moment we were set apart from our animal cousins… at that moment in evolution we became self conscious and became human.[/quote]
Al ,

I was just wondering:

Given the model is yours, would you consider whether past groups of cats and dogs had souls and evolved to a point they no longer have souls but the possibility is left that at some future time they might evolve to again have souls?
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
If you believe humans have souls when do you think it enters and leaves a body? In your opinion does it enter a body at birth or at conception?


Conception.


What about twins? Ate two souls inserted at conception or us one soul divided into two when the cell divides?

What about saimese twins? when they are surgically seperated do they each get a soul or are they sharing one? If they are sharing a soul, what happens if only one becomes an atheist?

Prediction: none if rge deluded here will provide an answer to thus insurmountable problem.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
What about twins? Ate two souls inserted at conception or us one soul divided into two when the cell divides?

What about saimese twins? when they are surgically seperated do they each get a soul or are they sharing one? If they are sharing a soul, what happens if only one becomes an atheist?

Prediction: none if rge deluded here will provide an answer to thus insurmountable problem.


This is only my opinion so please don't slam me for having one. Smiler

I have twins in my family. Each has their own soul. They are as different as night & day. Any twin, no matter separate or conjoined, they are two human beings, not one, with each having a soul.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
What about twins? Ate two souls inserted at conception or us one soul divided into two when the cell divides?

What about saimese twins? when they are surgically seperated do they each get a soul or are they sharing one? If they are sharing a soul, what happens if only one becomes an atheist?

Prediction: none if rge deluded here will provide an answer to thus insurmountable problem.

This is only my opinion so please don't slam me for having one. Smiler

I have twins in my family. Each has their own soul. They are as different as night & day. Any twin, no matter separate or conjoined, they are two human beings, not one, with each having a soul.

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Originally posted by buffalo:
someone ask uno what he means by the post"Smart phone is stupid" I would really like to know.

Thanks in advance.


Well if his is like mine it tries to fill in a word that it "thinks" I am typing. So sometimes my text say something stupid like "Ate you there yet?" instead of "Are you there yet?"

I am guessing he posted using his phone and when he looked at it after it posted it was all jacked up. Smiler

Does that help?
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
What about twins? Ate two souls inserted at conception or us one soul divided into two when the cell divides?

Two souls ate divided or us one soul is conception into cells.

What about saimese twins? when they are surgically seperated do they each get a soul or are they sharing one? If they are sharing a soul, what happens if only one becomes an atheist?

The soul that becomes atheist go's to hell.

Prediction: none if rge deluded here will provide an answer to thus insurmountable problem.


if rge insurmountable problem, none will thus answer deluded provide none.


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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
someone ask uno what he means by the post"Smart phone is stupid" I would really like to know.

Thanks in advance.


Well if his is like mine it tries to fill in a word that it "thinks" I am typing. So sometimes my text say something stupid like "Ate you there yet?" instead of "Are you there yet?"

I am guessing he posted using his phone and when he looked at it after it posted it was all jacked up. Smiler

Does that help?

I was just wondering if he thought the phone had or did not have ‘free will’.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
someone ask uno what he means by the post"Smart phone is stupid" I would really like to know.

Thanks in advance.


Well if his is like mine it tries to fill in a word that it "thinks" I am typing. So sometimes my text say something stupid like "Ate you there yet?" instead of "Are you there yet?"

I am guessing he posted using his phone and when he looked at it after it posted it was all jacked up. Smiler

Does that help?

I was just wondering if he thought the phone had or did not have ‘free will’.


Well I don't know about uno's but I sometimes think mine has a will of its own. Big Grin
Hi Buffalo:

That was a very interesting question, thanks!

You asked that given “my model” is it possible that other animals, you used cats and dogs as an example, could have evolved into and out of the having of souls…

I would have to say no. Evolution is progressive. It is always moving forward. It would be a reasonable assumption that at the time of the first human beings, there could have been many other favorable strains which had the potential to evolve into beings which had the brain capacity to know God.

But primitive human beings being what they were, (and what we, even today still are for the most part), the first human tribes most likely wiped their competitors off the face of the planet in short order.

I would say that specimens such as Homo erectus and his kin in Asia represent the closest thing we have found to date of the first humans, or perhaps their close predecessors.

After all, the human race as a species is still evolving. Mankind is getting taller, smarter and is in the process of loosing teeth. This is the physical evolution of the species. But through it all, the human race has found God, and his spirit has indwelt us en-mass since the day of Pentecost. And this is what makes us human beings, and not mere animals.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
someone ask uno what he means by the post"Smart phone is stupid" I would really like to know.

Thanks in advance.


Well if his is like mine it tries to fill in a word that it "thinks" I am typing. So sometimes my text say something stupid like "Ate you there yet?" instead of "Are you there yet?"

I am guessing he posted using his phone and when he looked at it after it posted it was all jacked up. Smiler

Does that help?

I was just wondering if he thought the phone had or did not have ‘free will’.


Well I don't know about uno's but I sometimes think mine has a will of its own. Big Grin

Jank dear,

Would you ask uno the question; does he consider his smart phone to have or does not have free will.

In either case please ask him to give explanation of his answer.

If at first he does not cooperate, turn on your charm until he answers. Very simple.
Your "soul", if you must call it that, enters your body when you are reincarnated into a new body. Later, you pass it on to another body, and so on, and so on. This makes more sense than going to Heaven after you die. There is lots of evidence for reincarnation. None for Heaven. By the way, when Bill dies, he will be very disappointed when he finds himself back on Earth as a ****roach, instead of in his imaginary Heaven. Let the stoning begin.
Hi Dwight,

You say, "If you don't pray about it, you will NEVER know the truth for sure."

I have asked this before and you did not answer. So, I will try again.

To whom do YOU pray?

Do you pray to an exalted man?

Do you pray to a created being named Jesus?

Dwight, we really would like to know -- to whom do YOU pray?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Jenn -

i saw your question a couple of days ago.. and since then have been thinking about it.

i've come to one solid, conclusion-

i don't know.

i do belive in souls. one reason i believe in them is because i believe i've met people without them.
very unpleasent experiances.

when souls enter - if i were to speculate.. i'd have to guess that the soul enters somewhere around the 8th month mark, give or take.

i've had 2 kids. i've been involved with many other people's tiny babies.. up until around then, almsot every baby really is the same.. little blobs of blubber that wiggle and giggle and squeak and poop. it's seemed to me that around 7 or 8 months is when they really start to show signs of their own personality, instead of just being a little blob of diaper rash.

but i don't acctually know.. no one does.. i'm just guessing based upon my own observations.

as for when it leaves, i'm gonna have to go with the obvious - upon brain death.
i'm not saying that the soul resides in the brain, it's my thought that the brain, the intellect, is what "glues" the spirit to the body...
when the brain dies, the glue lets go. so to speak.

however, please keep in mind i do not pretend to acctually know the answer to your question. these answers were just what seems to make sense to me after a couple days thought.
Hi Nagel,

I do believe the Bible teaches that the child has personality, soul, while in its mother's womb. Life begins at conception. And, soul is imparted by God into that life. Have you never watched a sonogram or ultrasound image of a child alive in its mothers womb? Have you not watched as the baby grew and developed? Yes, that child is alive, with a personality or soul -- from God.

Job 31:15, "Did not He who made me in the womb make him, And the same one fashion us in the womb?"

Psalm 139:13, "For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb."

Isaiah 44:2, "Thus says the LORD who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you, . . ."

Jeremiah 1:5, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Hosea 12:3, "In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God."

Luke 1:41, "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 1:44, "For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy."

Galatians 1:15, "But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, was pleased."

And, this is why abortion is the killing, the taking of a human life, i.e., murder -- of an unborn child.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by buffalo:
someone ask uno what he means by the post"Smart phone is stupid" I would really like to know.

Thanks in advance.


I have a smart phone but it substitutes words on me and sometimes I miss it and post.


auto correct auto fails
i found this. i thought it was appropriate at the moment....

if the stupid censor borks the url, the first part is:
a naughty version of Darn
the first part of " .... Yankees" ( both a broadway hit and a rock band
an incorrect way to spell what wilson, wheeler and pickwick are.
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Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Has anyone else here noticed how most humans are completely ruled (enslaved) by belief? what do you see?

Hi Dreamer,

Actually, that is a part of human nature -- to have a belief.

Christians believe in God and His promise of eternal life in Christ.

Atheist and secularist believe there is no God and that, after this life, there is nothing more.

Agnostics and vanilla flavored non-believers are not sure what to believe -- but, they believe that some day they will find it.

So, we all have a belief system, i.e., a religion. Non-believers base their religions upon what man has told them.

Christians base our belief upon the proven Word of God, the Bible -- proven by a 100% accuracy in prophecies given hundreds and thousands of years before their fulfillment.

So, I guess you can say that Christians base their belief upon the Rock, Jesus Christ, and the Book, the Bible.

Non-believers base their beliefs upon man-made hot air and wishes.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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