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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A new study shows that the percentage of children born to unmarried women in Alabama has tripled since 1960.

The report by Auburn Montgomery's Center for Demographic Research showed nearly 37 percent of Alabama children were born to unmarried women in 2006, compared to less than 12 percent in 1960.

The report, called the 2008 Alabama Health Data Sheet, said the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births was in Wilcox County, with nearly 73 percent born to unwed mothers.

Dallas County was second at nearly 71 percent. Shelby County has the lowest rate at about 12 percent.

The state is below the national rate of 38.5 percent.

wonder why this is?
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The report, called the 2008 Alabama Health Data Sheet, said the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births was in Wilcox County, with nearly 73 percent born to unwed mothers.

Dallas County was second at nearly 71 percent. Shelby County has the lowest rate at about 12 percent.

The state is below the national rate of 38.5 percent.

wonder why this is?



Look at the demographics of those counties and it's pretty clear what is bringing the state down below national avg.

JJPAUL, I don't think they are Red State voters.
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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
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The report, called the 2008 Alabama Health Data Sheet, said the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births was in Wilcox County, with nearly 73 percent born to unwed mothers.

Dallas County was second at nearly 71 percent. Shelby County has the lowest rate at about 12 percent.

The state is below the national rate of 38.5 percent.

wonder why this is?



Look at the demographics of those counties and it's pretty clear what is bringing the state down below national avg.

JJPAUL, I don't think they are Red State voters.


Is this a racist attitude statement because of the demographics makeup of the area.
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Originally posted by 210 N. Seminary - 1182:
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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
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The report, called the 2008 Alabama Health Data Sheet, said the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births was in Wilcox County, with nearly 73 percent born to unwed mothers.

Dallas County was second at nearly 71 percent. Shelby County has the lowest rate at about 12 percent.

The state is below the national rate of 38.5 percent.

wonder why this is?



Look at the demographics of those counties and it's pretty clear what is bringing the state down below national avg.

JJPAUL, I don't think they are Red State voters.


Is this a racist attitude statement because of the demographics makeup of the area.



Looks just like simple facts to me.
I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.
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A new study shows that the percentage of children born to unmarried women in Alabama has tripled since 1960.

Holy cow! Alert Bill Gray! Virgin Births! These women are popping out babies without the assistance of a man, or even sperm!

The report by Auburn Montgomery's Center for Demographic Research showed nearly 37 percent of Alabama children were born to unmarried women in 2006, compared to less than 12 percent in 1960.

Wow. What does that number tell us? Does it tell us the percentage born into poverty? On welfare? Addicted to drugs? Given up for adoption? Nope.

The report, called the 2008 Alabama Health Data Sheet, said the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births was in Wilcox County, with nearly 73 percent born to unwed mothers.

Health Data Sheet? Are you kidding me? What does a woman's health have to do with their marital status? Believe me, I am MUCH healthier now than I was back when I was married. I feel like I lost 175 lbs dead weight.

Dallas County was second at nearly 71 percent. Shelby County has the lowest rate at about 12 percent.

The state is below the national rate of 38.5 percent.


And 1 out of 1o residents of Madison County are engineers... but does that tell us a darn thing about how many are women and how many have too much credit card debt? As a woman this whole "study" offends me in the highest manner. Pray tell, what useful knowledge does this study give us?
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And 1 out of 1o residents of Madison County are engineers... but does that tell us a darn thing about how many are women and how many have too much credit card debt? As a woman this whole "study" offends me in the highest manner. Pray tell, what useful knowledge does this study give us?


I don't think it was meant to be offensive towards women in general but to alarm us in general about a statistic that does lead to endless cycles of poverty. Being a young single women it is a sure fire way to almost guarantee a life of poverty especially as a minority in a depressed area.

The kids grow up without a male father figure so how can they learn what being a father means? And that's how it becomes a endless cycle.
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I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.




Now thats what I call being responsible. two kids and 7 years...boy was you smart not to marry him. You ever heard of keep your legs together hun?
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I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.




Now thats what I call being responsible. two kids and 7 years...boy was you smart not to marry him. You ever heard of keep your legs together hun?


Hopefully you took your own advice Jet Girl and kept your legs together, hun. I would hate to know you have offspring... Eeker
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all these post in defense of the poor unmarried mothers .... what about the kids???the mother and the fathers had a choice and they made it.the kids will be growing up not knowing what a family life is ,single mom ,different men around when mom needs a man. no wonder kids are such a mess these days. **** i sound like my parents!!!!

but hats off to single mothers who take responsability for their children and get rid of the deadbeat dads. doing the right thing is hard. its sad when those loosers can get away with not taking care of the children they father and put the burdon on everybody else.

i have a sister who has taken care of her two kids .she had the misfortune of marring twice and both guys who were abusive drunk lowlifes and didnt take care of the kids... no child support and one who she took to court for years hestill owes thousands of dollars for back child support. he is abusing the kids and the system by not taking care of his responsabilitys.she finally found a goodun. he treats her like the queen she is and the kids are like his own. both boys are grown and have turned out to be good men... thanks to my lil sister.
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I agree with TSC on this one, the study is an insult wo women,what purpose does it serve?

It does not bother me one way or the other unless all these unwed mothers are drawing government monies and aide. THEN it becomes my business and everyone elses business. We pay the taxes that supply these programs.
Smiler Exactly, Smurph. I don't care if they are single moms, single dads, young, old, married, polygamists, or what - the only reason why their choices would matter one rat's butt is if they were drawing off the welfare system. And I know a heckuva lot of married folks who are milking the system. You don't have to be a "poor single mom" to get welfare.
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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
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And 1 out of 1o residents of Madison County are engineers... but does that tell us a darn thing about how many are women and how many have too much credit card debt? As a woman this whole "study" offends me in the highest manner. Pray tell, what useful knowledge does this study give us?


I don't think it was meant to be offensive towards women in general but to alarm us in general about a statistic that does lead to endless cycles of poverty. Being a young single women it is a sure fire way to almost guarantee a life of poverty especially as a minority in a depressed area.

The kids grow up without a male father figure so how can they learn what being a father means? And that's how it becomes a endless cycle.


We live in a nice neighborhood, I drive a nice car and have a four year degree. So what part does my family play in these statisics? I support my children on my own because it is my job as a parent. This is not conditional on the father doing his JOB. That is the problem, for single men and women, they just drop their responsiblities. I dont beleive a marriage certificate can fix that. If we were married I would still be carrying the load. My children are such a blessing I feel it is he who is missing out, so I am happy to do it. Big Grin

Also, I have only had a relationship with one other person since my ex and I split up so I do not have different men running in and out of their lives. Every situation is different, sterotyping people is really ignorant.
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.




Now thats what I call being responsible. two kids and 7 years...boy was you smart not to marry him. You ever heard of keep your legs together hun?



You know it's *******es like you and your comments that should make it illegal for people like you to reproduce!
Did your mother never tell you that if you can't say something nice....?
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Originally posted by cjtl1000r:
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.




Now thats what I call being responsible. two kids and 7 years...boy was you smart not to marry him. You ever heard of keep your legs together hun?



You know it's *******es like you and your comments that should make it illegal for people like you to reproduce!
Did your mother never tell you that if you can't say something nice....?


Couldn't have said that better myself, cjtl1000r! I totally agree!
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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I am one of those mothers. I was with the father of my children for 7 years and we were engaged twice. But, because he was physically and verbally abusive, I chose to never go through with marrying him. Looking back, that was a blessing. I made the mistake of living with him even though I was raised "better" and shouldnt have. I have yet to meet anyone that is honest. Until I do, I will remain single.




Now thats what I call being responsible. two kids and 7 years...boy was you smart not to marry him. You ever heard of keep your legs together hun?


I have heard that men who insult women are doing so to cover their own inadequacies...... I think you have just proven that!.....

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Originally posted by jetboy:
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As a woman this whole "study" offends me in the highest manner.



Absolutly the funniest thing I have read.


BTW...lose another 175 and you wont wobble when you walk...Big Grin


And... this is the funniest thing I have read. If TSC lost "another 175 lbs", she would weigh like -50 lbs (if not a bit more.. hehe) xD

You try to know it all, but you know very little.

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As this thread goes, I definitely agree with TSC and STOI.

~Amanda
The study just says that the women are unmarried. The women could live with the fathers, live with a same-sex partner, have a Clay Aiken-type arrangement with a gay man, or the father could be involved in some other way. The study is about unmarried women, not deadbeat dads. Perhaps these women just do not want to participate in an institution that they feel is outdated.
With all the smart assed replies from the self righteous side, it makes me wonder, just how many of THEM lived with someone, or at least had sex before they were married.
What a crock !
During the early days of our country a very high percent of weddings were of young women who were pregnant.
Get off your high horses.

As far as there being a study, I gotta disagree with TSC . If used properly, several things could come from it, mainly the fact that we have ceased to teach sex education in the schools, and tried to push the puritan ethic of abstinence as the only option. Abstinence is not a bad thing, don't take that wrong, but kids are gonna do "it", that's just life, and to keep up with statistics could help show the fallacy of this stupid "education" course that has been going on.
You can bet that although many women (such as those who have stated on here) are responsible and make a living , however difficult , for themselves and their children. On the other hand it stands to reason that more un-wed mothers means more children on welfare and mothers on WIC, so more tax dollars needed.
At one time, a governor in Arkansas passed a state law that said before the state would pay any woman and child welfare, she must name the daddy. The state then would garnish the daddy's pay for the child support if they could catch him working. Memphis filled up real quick with runaway dads Big Grin
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For ALL the unmarried mothers in our Country, there are unmarried sperm donors. MEN, put on a raincoat!!!



When men start getting pregnant they will. Wink

Unless it is forced...a female has to ALLOW the male to get her pregnant. It dont happen by just walking by each other.


I know full well the male is responsible to...the female however can STOP this all by herself. They shouldn't get pregnant then start whining it was the males fault.


its like someone shooting another and blaming it on the gun.
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With all the smart assed replies from the self righteous side, it makes me wonder, just how many of THEM lived with someone, or at least had sex before they were married.
What a crock !
During the early days of our country a very high percent of weddings were of young women who were pregnant.
Get off your high horses.

As far as there being a study, I gotta disagree with TSC . If used properly, several things could come from it, mainly the fact that we have ceased to teach sex education in the schools, and tried to push the puritan ethic of abstinence as the only option. Abstinence is not a bad thing, don't take that wrong, but kids are gonna do "it", that's just life, and to keep up with statistics could help show the fallacy of this stupid "education" course that has been going on.
You can bet that although many women (such as those who have stated on here) are responsible and make a living , however difficult , for themselves and their children. On the other hand it stands to reason that more un-wed mothers means more children on welfare and mothers on WIC, so more tax dollars needed.
At one time, a governor in Arkansas passed a state law that said before the state would pay any woman and child welfare, she must name the daddy. The state then would garnish the daddy's pay for the child support if they could catch him working. Memphis filled up real quick with runaway dads


I disagree with some of what you wrote excelman. That being the cease of sex education in schools. It was never taught in schools until the 60s. Our population has increased and so with the numbers of pregnancies.
You are right about so many marriages due to pregnancies years ago. The boys were MADE to marry the girls by their own families as much as the girls.It was looked at differently years ago. THAT is the problem,how people,families LOOK at unmarried pregnancy.
Sex is nothing new,kids are going to do it. My heavens you know if they did it when there were practically no means of birth control kinda speaks for the subject itself.
No longer is the day when a girl fears she is going to be shunned,treated like an outcast to have a baby out of wedlock,no longer is the day when a young man fears an old fashioned a&* beating by his dad or the girls dad for getting his gf pregnant. Nowadays parents just sort of take it in tow,lets go get you signed up for this and for that,,oh dear,,it could be worse kind of attitudes. And the boys,well their parents mostly think of very little on the subject peroid. Kids today need to be taught there are concequences for their actions as they once were,to include the responsibilities of bringing another person into the world.
Birth control is the easiest thing around for young people to get their hands on, heck condoms have full displays even in grocery stores!
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Originally posted by smurph:
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runaway dads


I disagree with some of what you wrote excelman. That being the cease of sex education in schools. It was never taught in schools until the 60s. Our population has increased and so with the numbers of pregnancies.
You are right about so many marriages due to pregnancies years ago. The boys were MADE to marry the girls by their own families as much as the girls.It was looked at differently years ago. THAT is the problem,how people,families LOOK at unmarried pregnancy.
Sex is nothing new,kids are going to do it. My heavens you know if they did it when there were practically no means of birth control kinda speaks for the subject itself.
No longer is the day when a girl fears she is going to be shunned,treated like an outcast to have a baby out of wedlock,no longer is the day when a young man fears an old fashioned a&* beating by his dad or the girls dad for getting his gf pregnant. Nowadays parents just sort of take it in tow,lets go get you signed up for this and for that,,oh dear,,it could be worse kind of attitudes. And the boys,well their parents mostly think of very little on the subject peroid. Kids today need to be taught there are concequences for their actions as they once were,to include the responsibilities of bringing another person into the world.
Birth control is the easiest thing around for young people to get their hands on, heck condoms have full displays even in grocery stores!

Smurph,
Well, I actually agree with you up to a point. However, there is a problem in that there are a lot of parents who either are too timid to teach sex education to their kids, or just too trifling to care. If we lived in a perfect world, there would be no need for sex education, but "it is what it is" and we gotta figure out how to deal with the situation we have.
What I was trying to point out is that education should be about just that , education, and IMHO, all education is a good thing. There are a lot of misconceptions that young people have about becoming pregnant- can't on 1st time, and a lot of other things it would be in bad taste to post here.
The point of my post on this matter is that statistics are not necessarily demeaning to women , but can be used to judge the effectiveness of what is going on in a society, and in what I was referring to is sex education.
The current trend (as I understand it) is to use that forum , not to actually educate, and talk about birth control and what's available, but to push the agenda of abstinence. Like I said, I don't have a real problem with teaching that that is best, but to ignore reality, and not actually teach about BC pills, condoms, etc, as a means of preventing pregnancy is to do a disservice to our children.
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Originally posted by Jetboy:
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For ALL the unmarried mothers in our Country, there are unmarried sperm donors. MEN, put on a raincoat!!!



When men start getting pregnant they will. Wink

Unless it is forced...a female has to ALLOW the male to get her pregnant. It dont happen by just walking by each other.


I know full well the male is responsible to...the female however can STOP this all by herself. They shouldn't get pregnant then start whining it was the males fault.


its like someone shooting another and blaming it on the gun.


Now jetboi..... you arent going to tell us that it is ok for a man to go around spreading seed to as many women as he wants to...... but with a woman it is physicallly impossible to have a child but once a year (or slightly less).......

But yet you almight men can impregnate 20-30 women a month and that makes men superior?...... You are a joke......

I am sorry in advance to the ''''real''' men on this forum...... this wasnt directed at you......
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But yet you almight men can impregnate 20-30 women a month and that makes men superior?......



Make that street women and you have a point. A man CANT impregnate a woman without her permission, unless he rapes her. I dont think we are talking rape are we? It appears some women need to learn some moral values. Eeker
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Originally posted by Jetboy:
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But yet you almight men can impregnate 20-30 women a month and that makes men superior?......



Make that street women and you have a point. A man CANT impregnate a woman without her permission, unless he rapes her. I dont think we are talking rape are we? It appears some women need to learn some moral values. Eeker


Permission to have sex doesnt give you the moral right to do it and not share in the responsiblity. If a man has no intentions of taking care of a child, then he has no business having sex with a woman unprotected. Men can take responsiblity for their own lives and make a choice NOT to have a child. Condoms break, but there is a great chance that if used properly, you can avoid having an unwanted child. If someone has sex male or female and does not use protection, then that means they either intend to get pregnant or should be responsible enough to handle whatever consequences come. These days a child is the least of your worries if you are having sex unprotected...........these days you can die!
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