Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
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Bernie, unknown outside Vermont, except for a few. will, at best, cause Hillary to tilt to the extreme left to cement her base This will give her opponent plenty to defeat her. Run, Bernie Run! Its another Weekend at Bernie's, except the movie Bernie was more lifelike.
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
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With the laws the Obama administration passed in the first two years, this is as good as it gets. It's keep-away crony capitalism since start-ups might have trouble getting a loan from Dudd-Frankenstein and thereafter it's regulation jump rope.
The only people the democrats are going to get rich are their crony friends. It won't stop them from what they always do - dividing Americans on class and race.
In the old Soviet Union, the politburo and field marshals lived like oriental potentates, complete with harems.
Why don't all the democrats give away their money, then they can 'shame' anyone else that doesn't do that. Lead by example so to speak.
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
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Neither. 
Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
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I couldn't have said it better !
Spot on. Good to read an intelligent post from time to time, thank you.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
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The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
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“The White Man’s Burden”: Kipling’s Hymn to U.S. Imperialism
In February 1899, British novelist and poet Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem entitled “The White Man’s Burden: The United States and The Philippine Islands.” In this poem, Kipling urged the U.S. to take up the “burden” of empire, as had Britain and other European nations. Published in the February, 1899 issue of McClure’s Magazine, the poem coincided with the beginning of the Philippine-American War and U.S. Senate ratification of the treaty that placed Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba, and the Philippines under American control. Theodore Roosevelt, soon to become vice-president and then president, copied the poem and sent it to his friend, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, commenting that it was “rather poor poetry, but good sense from the expansion point of view.” Not everyone was as favorably impressed as Roosevelt. The racialized notion of the “White Man’s burden” became a euphemism for imperialism, and many anti-imperialists couched their opposition in reaction to the phrase.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5478
If Teddy and Bernie are similar, then I guess for Bernie Sanders, the "White Man's Burden" is to keep black folk in inner city reservations like Baltimore; slaves to the welfare system.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
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This Salon article is a good discription of how Reagan started us on this path of destruction of the middle class.
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/1...iddle_class_partner/
Here is another great article on the subject.
http://www.thenation.com/artic.../reagans-real-legacy
Originally Posted by Stanky:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
______________________________________________________________________
“The White Man’s Burden”: Kipling’s Hymn to U.S. Imperialism
In February 1899, British novelist and poet Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem entitled “The White Man’s Burden: The United States and The Philippine Islands.” In this poem, Kipling urged the U.S. to take up the “burden” of empire, as had Britain and other European nations. Published in the February, 1899 issue of McClure’s Magazine, the poem coincided with the beginning of the Philippine-American War and U.S. Senate ratification of the treaty that placed Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba, and the Philippines under American control. Theodore Roosevelt, soon to become vice-president and then president, copied the poem and sent it to his friend, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, commenting that it was “rather poor poetry, but good sense from the expansion point of view.” Not everyone was as favorably impressed as Roosevelt. The racialized notion of the “White Man’s burden” became a euphemism for imperialism, and many anti-imperialists couched their opposition in reaction to the phrase.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5478
If Teddy and Bernie are similar, then I guess for Bernie Sanders, the "White Man's Burden" is to keep black folk in inner city reservations like Baltimore; slaves to the welfare system.
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Well that was a pretty long stretch. That's like "look at these apples! See how much they look like oranges?" 
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Stanky:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
______________________________________________________________________
“The White Man’s Burden”: Kipling’s Hymn to U.S. Imperialism
In February 1899, British novelist and poet Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem entitled “The White Man’s Burden: The United States and The Philippine Islands.” In this poem, Kipling urged the U.S. to take up the “burden” of empire, as had Britain and other European nations. Published in the February, 1899 issue of McClure’s Magazine, the poem coincided with the beginning of the Philippine-American War and U.S. Senate ratification of the treaty that placed Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba, and the Philippines under American control. Theodore Roosevelt, soon to become vice-president and then president, copied the poem and sent it to his friend, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, commenting that it was “rather poor poetry, but good sense from the expansion point of view.” Not everyone was as favorably impressed as Roosevelt. The racialized notion of the “White Man’s burden” became a euphemism for imperialism, and many anti-imperialists couched their opposition in reaction to the phrase.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5478
If Teddy and Bernie are similar, then I guess for Bernie Sanders, the "White Man's Burden" is to keep black folk in inner city reservations like Baltimore; slaves to the welfare system.
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Well that was a pretty long stretch. That's like "look at these apples! See how much they look like oranges?"
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Not much of a stretch when one remembers this was attributed to the father of the "Great Society":
“I’ll have those N-words (My bleeping!) voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Stanky:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
______________________________________________________________________
“The White Man’s Burden”: Kipling’s Hymn to U.S. Imperialism
In February 1899, British novelist and poet Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem entitled “The White Man’s Burden: The United States and The Philippine Islands.” In this poem, Kipling urged the U.S. to take up the “burden” of empire, as had Britain and other European nations. Published in the February, 1899 issue of McClure’s Magazine, the poem coincided with the beginning of the Philippine-American War and U.S. Senate ratification of the treaty that placed Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba, and the Philippines under American control. Theodore Roosevelt, soon to become vice-president and then president, copied the poem and sent it to his friend, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, commenting that it was “rather poor poetry, but good sense from the expansion point of view.” Not everyone was as favorably impressed as Roosevelt. The racialized notion of the “White Man’s burden” became a euphemism for imperialism, and many anti-imperialists couched their opposition in reaction to the phrase.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5478
If Teddy and Bernie are similar, then I guess for Bernie Sanders, the "White Man's Burden" is to keep black folk in inner city reservations like Baltimore; slaves to the welfare system.
_____________________________
Well that was a pretty long stretch. That's like "look at these apples! See how much they look like oranges?"
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Not really, keeping blacks in line by making them dependent upon government was one of LBJ's goals, of one remembers his decidedly racist quote.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Like Ted, Bernie abhors the concentration of wealth. About 99% of new wealth goes to the upper 1% of people.
Is this sustainable or desirable?
NSNS
_______________________
Neither. Did we learn nothing from the Gilded Age? We are returning to a time of Robber Barons. I don't think Bernie can win, but I'm sure glad he is running. I will probably vote for him in the primaries and see what happens. If he gets the nomination he has a great shot at being president. At the very least he will help HC move further to the left. Where she needs to be.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The deregulations started by Reagan and continued with every Republican president since has put us right back where we were when Teddy began his fight for the average citizen in America. Sad to think that we have slipped backwards so far, but here we are.
_________________________________________________________________
The Gilded Age ended with most of those millionaires much poorer -- part of the creative destruction of the free market. Best part of deregulation was how much it reduced airline ticket costs What part of deregulation do you find that "put us back?"
As to Teddy, another major belief of his was that the orderly, civilized nations (mainly the western European nations) should keep the disorganized one in check -- mainly as colonies. His corollary to the Monroe doctrine expressed that the US should perform that function in the western hemisphere. So, where do you wish to begin, Cuba and Venezuela are the obvious first choices under his doctrine.
____________________
This Salon article is a good discription of how Reagan started us on this path of destruction of the middle class.
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/1...iddle_class_partner/
Here is another great article on the subject.
http://www.thenation.com/artic.../reagans-real-legacy
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Jank,,
Your first website, cited, only states how nasty deregulation destroyed the middle class, no actual analysis or logical argumentation, Most of the rest was simply old lefties economic theory and almost a total distortion of historical events It did get the fact that the plagues caused such a dearth of human labor, that the price of labor became more expensive, Totally ignored renaissance, return of knowledge and skills and new towns growing wealth -- building walls and making themselves independent of the old aristocracy.
Jank,
The second website, The Nation, does make a stab at explaining deregulation. However, misses the end point. Without the massive pots of money provided by the government thru Fannie. Freddie and the FHA, there would have been no massive increase in loans.
The article ignored that Reagan ended stagflation and that the Democrats did not live up to their promise to cut spending in return for tax increases. The article blamed the decline of unions and cities on Reagan, ignoring that the decline began well before that. Unions, useful in the 19th and early 20th century are going the way of the guilds of the middle ages for much the same reason. The cities committed seppuku by electing Democrats for decades to run them. Can't stop a man who is really committed to suicide, without committing him.