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At one time, there was a Republican Senator that I could have gladly voted for the office of President.

Although Conservative, he easily worked across party lines, and played a major part in helping this country run . He understood compromise and consensus and valued it above hard line ideology.

His name is John McCain .

Then, like so much of our country, he was ruined by  W Bush, and the John McCain that I had once considered voting for did not show up . Instead, a new, worsened-by-Bush ideologue showed up in 2008 to run for  president, with a desire to continue the wars we were in without end, and even starting new ones. A man who actually thought that trickle-down-economics, (Aka Voodoo Economics, AKA Horshlt economics , AKA Reganomics) was working, even tho the facts bore out that our country was about to fall off into another abiss likeunto  the one in from 1929 - 1941, and pushed the same policies that got us into that one.  Worse yet, he demonstrated his lack of leadership by choosing a complete bimbo for his VP running mate.  He lost, and has been kinda sulking around since then, licking his wounds , and , well, in general, being an azz.

However, in the last few months , I have noticed he seems to be coming more and more back to his old self in trying to get the country in a better place. Now, it seems , others have noticed it as well.

What they call "Maverick" , I just call using good sense, but this article seems to suggest he is back.

Lets hope so, and maybe once again , we can have some statesmanship in the Senate , and get away from this tebagger obsession of tearing our country apart.

Here's to you John McCain , I hope you return fully to your old 'maverick' self , and return , like some others who have lost their bid for president, to work for the good of the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/return-maverick-143000213.html

 

 

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“Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”
― Thomas Paine

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Originally Posted by seeweed:

At one time, there was a Republican Senator that I could have gladly voted for the office of President.

Although Conservative, he easily worked across party lines, and played a major part in helping this country run . He understood compromise and consensus and valued it above hard line ideology.

His name is John McCain .

Then, like so much of our country, he was ruined by  W Bush, and the John McCain that I had once considered voting for did not show up . Instead, a new, worsened-by-Bush ideologue showed up in 2008 to run for  president, with a desire to continue the wars we were in without end, and even starting new ones. A man who actually thought that trickle-down-economics, (Aka Voodoo Economics, AKA Horshlt economics , AKA Reganomics) was working, even tho the facts bore out that our country was about to fall off into another abiss likeunto  the one in from 1929 - 1941, and pushed the same policies that got us into that one.  Worse yet, he demonstrated his lack of leadership by choosing a complete bimbo for his VP running mate.  He lost, and has been kinda sulking around since then, licking his wounds , and , well, in general, being an azz.

However, in the last few months , I have noticed he seems to be coming more and more back to his old self in trying to get the country in a better place. Now, it seems , others have noticed it as well.

What they call "Maverick" , I just call using good sense, but this article seems to suggest he is back.

Lets hope so, and maybe once again , we can have some statesmanship in the Senate , and get away from this tebagger obsession of tearing our country apart.

Here's to you John McCain , I hope you return fully to your old 'maverick' self , and return , like some others who have lost their bid for president, to work for the good of the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/return-maverick-143000213.html

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seeweed,

first off, great post! 

now, do you not see the same craziness in the republican party, as a whole?
true, some of the republicans are starting to see the writing on the wall. most are still stuck in that 'tea party' syndrome and haven't a clue they've been voting against their best interests. i'd LOVE to see some mutual ground. i've been begging for it for 4 years. i think mccain pulled a great "end around" on boehner, lately. maybe there's a chance after all.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by OldMan:

Seeweed, I felt the same about Huckabee at one time, but the same thing happened to him. His before and after speechs sounded like two different candidates. 

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Huckabee's  current speeches and activities sound like your basic tea party wackadoodle!

I used to kinda like Huckabee until he said he wanted to change the Constitution to match the Bible. 
Don't believe me that somebody is that damm dumb ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juMP_5yu13U

Originally Posted by Jobe:

You lefties can have john mccain. He’s useless.

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Ah, yes--McCain is now consigned to the RINO herd, having deviated from the pure gospel of Tea Partyism.  One more GOP stalwart "disgraced" and shunned for declining to fully suck up to the nut-job sector!

 

Keep it up, wingers.  With every such denunciation you pave the way for election of a Democratic President in 2016.  You are among the best helpers Hillary could wish for!

Originally Posted by mad American:

You America hating lefties say a lot of bad things about the tea party.  What exactly is wrong with fair taxation?  You call them racist, what in their platform makes them racist?

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Well, to start with the teabaggers are just nuts. eg "keep your government hands off my Medicare"

And as for "fair taxation" , I believe that is what we "lefties" want. Personally , I would love to be paying the same tax rate as Romney, I pay about twice as much, so yes, we are for a more fair tax system.

The problem with you teabaggers , is you don't accept that our tax rates are the lowest they have been in any of our working lives.

Y'all are wrong on those two issues, and that's just a start.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by mad American:

You America hating lefties say a lot of bad things about the tea party.  What exactly is wrong with fair taxation?  You call them racist, what in their platform makes them racist?

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Well, to start with the teabaggers are just nuts. eg "keep your government hands off my Medicare"

And as for "fair taxation" , I believe that is what we "lefties" want. Personally , I would love to be paying the same tax rate as Romney, I pay about twice as much, so yes, we are for a more fair tax system.

The problem with you teabaggers , is you don't accept that our tax rates are the lowest they have been in any of our working lives.

Y'all are wrong on those two issues, and that's just a start.

seeweed,

 

You didn't answer the question on racism -- merely deflected it.

Originally Posted by mad American:

You America hating lefties say a lot of bad things about the tea party.  What exactly is wrong with fair taxation?  You call them racist, what in their platform makes them racist?

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The race issue relative to the Tea Party has been examined in this study:

 

Race, Ideology, and the Tea Party: A Longitudinal Study
Eric D. Knowles*
Department of Psychology
New York University
New York, NY
USA
eric.knowles@nyu.edu
Brian S. Lowery
Graduate School of Business
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
USA
Elizabeth P. Shulman
Positive Psychology Center, University of Pennsylvania
Department of Psychology, Temple University
Philadelphia, PA
USA
Rebecca L. Schaumberg
Graduate School of Business
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
USA
Key

The conclusions of the study are as follows:

 

<<<The present paper examined possible causes and consequences of identification with the
Tea Party movement. We measured longitudinal change in Tea Party identification and an array
of constructs relevant to three approaches to the relationship between racial thinking and political judgment—namely, the outgroup-focused, ingroup-focused, and ideological perspectives.

 

Broadly, the data support claims that the Tea Party is—for some White supporters, at
least—a racially motivated movement. Anti-Black sentiment was associated with Tea Party
identification across time points. This relationship, however, appeared to be masked by
assertions of national decline and the embrace of libertarian ideology.

 

The findings also suggest that identification with the Tea Party movement is related to
racial identity, but not in the manner suggested by traditional models of racialized politics.
Rather than causing affiliation with the Tea Party, White identity appears to be a product of
immersion in the movement [41]. This phenomenon, which we term political racialization,
merits further study to reveal the precise mechanisms by which identification with a political
movement can shape racial attitudes and identities.>>>

 

The paper can be accessed at 

 

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2276711&download=yes

 

To download the paper, click on "Download this paper" and then click on Download Anonymously" 

The database used included only white people.  They were asked, among other questions, if they had an affinity with the tea parties. To adequately measure racism, or any other attributes of a population, members of the tea party, without separating out those by race would be necessary.  I used statistical samples in court, which were accepted as evidence.  If an auditor brought me such a piece of garbage, I would have fired him. 

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