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Just in case the American people are crazy enough to put the Republicans back in charge of the country, here is a possible food source to feed you family and get by. 

 

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― Thomas Paine

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One of the best reasons that a party should be careful what they enact when they have power is that the other/opposite party will usually one day regain power and popularity and then what you have enacted may come back to haunt you.  One reason that the Democrats are able to regain power is more through threat than performance.  One only has to look at the campaigns of each party and see that no matter the year or the election the SAME OLD stuff comes up.  Democrats don't tout what they can do or will do but rather try and scare you not to vote for Republicans.  They always try and play the race card and the Rich Republican ploy making you think that all Republicans care about is the Rich.  FACTS are that the Civil Rights acts and legislation would have NEVER passed, in Johnson's Administration, had it not been for the Republican party for Johnson's fellow Democrats would have sunk it.  Furthermore there are just as many millionaires in the Democratic ranks as there are in the Republican.  Additionally the Democrats take care of plenty of their donors when they are in power just as the Republicans did when they were.  Each party relies on gullible people who believe everything they are told whether there is a shred of truth in it or not.  There are great examples of why this always happens, because it works, and you only have to look at the post, of various people on here, to see who buys into it lock stock and barrel. 

 

Fact is both parties have good people and people who can do great things but very seldom do these people seek the office.  Republican do the same and try and stereotype Democrats and often each party has it's politicians that reinforce the stereotype that the other party tries to saddle the whole party with.

 

That said I really, truly, believe that this round of Democrats (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and those like them) have critically wounded our American system with the Healthcare bill and that we are only seeing the tip of the iceburg in the damage it will do to our economy and health system.  This should be and is a Democratic Party Bill and they should reap ALL credit or blame whichever way it turns out including losing power and position if it does turn out bad.  Republicans have their share of damage to atone for as well.  NAFTA and other failures that weaken our nations jobs and ability to compete and keep jobs have also taken their toll on Americans.  China makes just about everything we sell in this nation and if we ever get into a situation where we have to gear up our industrial machine again we are in very dire straights for there is not the ability to do what they did during World War II. 

 

At least that's my own opinion.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Just in case the American people are crazy enough to put the Republicans back in charge of the country, here is a possible food source to feed you family and get by.


Some of them were crazy enough to put a guy with zero experience in as president.

Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness.Thomas Paine
Originally Posted by gbrk:

One of the best reasons that a party should be careful what they enact when they have power is that the other/opposite party will usually one day regain power and popularity and then what you have enacted may come back to haunt you.  One reason that the Democrats are able to regain power is more through threat than performance.  One only has to look at the campaigns of each party and see that no matter the year or the election the SAME OLD stuff comes up.  Democrats don't tout what they can do or will do but rather try and scare you not to vote for Republicans.  They always try and play the race card and the Rich Republican ploy making you think that all Republicans care about is the Rich.  FACTS are that the Civil Rights acts and legislation would have NEVER passed, in Johnson's Administration, had it not been for the Republican party for Johnson's fellow Democrats would have sunk it.  Furthermore there are just as many millionaires in the Democratic ranks as there are in the Republican.  Additionally the Democrats take care of plenty of their donors when they are in power just as the Republicans did when they were.  Each party relies on gullible people who believe everything they are told whether there is a shred of truth in it or not.  There are great examples of why this always happens, because it works, and you only have to look at the post, of various people on here, to see who buys into it lock stock and barrel. 

 

Fact is both parties have good people and people who can do great things but very seldom do these people seek the office.  Republican do the same and try and stereotype Democrats and often each party has it's politicians that reinforce the stereotype that the other party tries to saddle the whole party with.

 

That said I really, truly, believe that this round of Democrats (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and those like them) have critically wounded our American system with the Healthcare bill and that we are only seeing the tip of the iceburg in the damage it will do to our economy and health system.  This should be and is a Democratic Party Bill and they should reap ALL credit or blame whichever way it turns out including losing power and position if it does turn out bad.  Republicans have their share of damage to atone for as well.  NAFTA and other failures that weaken our nations jobs and ability to compete and keep jobs have also taken their toll on Americans.  China makes just about everything we sell in this nation and if we ever get into a situation where we have to gear up our industrial machine again we are in very dire straights for there is not the ability to do what they did during World War II. 

 

At least that's my own opinion.

A lot of what you say makes some sense.

However, the simple fact remains that within the last 100 years, the Republicans have controlled both houses of Congress and had the presidency for 4 years, 2 years before the Great Depression, and 2 years before the Great Recession.

As to the health bill, for the life of me, I can't understand why all you on the right wing oppose the requirement of personal responsibility in paying for your own health care. It is certainly a turn of events, since what you deride as Obamacare, and we celebrate the same name, was conceived by the Right wing Heritage Foundation as the way to force all citizens to have health insurance and at the same time give a huge gift unto the health insurance companies, the typical Republican ideology of having everything privatized.

Just my thoughts/ , but I'm pretty dammed tired of having my medical bills go thru the roof because I'm paying for my own health care and probably a dozen more who won't get insurance for themselves.

Conservatism builds slowly and carefully upon the successes of the past, being careful to not impose massive systems. The left from, at least, Marx forward, insists upon mandating massive, untried theories upon the backs of man.  With the left, its all theory.  With conservatives, its empirical proven success layers built onlayers.  Thus, the old joke -- the left states, " Sure, it works, but does it work in theory!"

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by gbrk:

One of the best reasons that a party should be careful what they enact when they have power is that the other/opposite party will usually one day regain power and popularity and then what you have enacted may come back to haunt you.  One reason that the Democrats are able to regain power is more through threat than performance.  One only has to look at the campaigns of each party and see that no matter the year or the election the SAME OLD stuff comes up.  Democrats don't tout what they can do or will do but rather try and scare you not to vote for Republicans.  They always try and play the race card and the Rich Republican ploy making you think that all Republicans care about is the Rich.  FACTS are that the Civil Rights acts and legislation would have NEVER passed, in Johnson's Administration, had it not been for the Republican party for Johnson's fellow Democrats would have sunk it.  Furthermore there are just as many millionaires in the Democratic ranks as there are in the Republican.  Additionally the Democrats take care of plenty of their donors when they are in power just as the Republicans did when they were.  Each party relies on gullible people who believe everything they are told whether there is a shred of truth in it or not.  There are great examples of why this always happens, because it works, and you only have to look at the post, of various people on here, to see who buys into it lock stock and barrel. 

 

Fact is both parties have good people and people who can do great things but very seldom do these people seek the office.  Republican do the same and try and stereotype Democrats and often each party has it's politicians that reinforce the stereotype that the other party tries to saddle the whole party with.

 

That said I really, truly, believe that this round of Democrats (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and those like them) have critically wounded our American system with the Healthcare bill and that we are only seeing the tip of the iceburg in the damage it will do to our economy and health system.  This should be and is a Democratic Party Bill and they should reap ALL credit or blame whichever way it turns out including losing power and position if it does turn out bad.  Republicans have their share of damage to atone for as well.  NAFTA and other failures that weaken our nations jobs and ability to compete and keep jobs have also taken their toll on Americans.  China makes just about everything we sell in this nation and if we ever get into a situation where we have to gear up our industrial machine again we are in very dire straights for there is not the ability to do what they did during World War II. 

 

At least that's my own opinion.

A lot of what you say makes some sense.

However, the simple fact remains that within the last 100 years, the Republicans have controlled both houses of Congress and had the presidency for 4 years, 2 years before the Great Depression, and 2 years before the Great Recession.

I don't see that, at least from a contemporary standpoint, as even the South, prior to the Reagan years, was strongly in the Democratic corner.  One reason I believe that shifted to Republicans is partly due to changes within the Democrats own platform.  I believe that you might want to re-check your information or your belief.  Consider the attached chart as there sure is a LOT of blue in it.


As to the health bill, for the life of me, I can't understand why all you on the right wing oppose the requirement of personal responsibility in paying for your own health care. It is certainly a turn of events, since what you deride as Obamacare, and we celebrate the same name, was conceived by the Right wing Heritage Foundation as the way to force all citizens to have health insurance and at the same time give a huge gift unto the health insurance companies, the typical Republican ideology of having everything privatized.

I'm not opposed to paying for my own healthcare or for those who legitimately cannot afford it but not those who can work but won't or those who are illegal or those who don't care a bit about personal responsibility to try and do for themselves but still even before the Healthcare act those people WERE taken care of and NO ONE was turned away from Emergency Rooms and patient care.  That was an act enacted by Congress that they couldn't be turned away so care was provided and given.  As for who paid that's where the inflated cost came in.  Healthcare became so expensive to make up for all those that were not paying.  And I believe you will see and discover, not long from now, that not only is Healthcare more expensive than even before but Insurance will be more expensive and mandatory and each persons personal cost will increase as waiting lines get longer and service actually declines.  NAME ME ONE thing that Government has control of that is run more efficiently than in or under the private sector, just one?   Now what makes you think our Government and bureaucracy, now Democratically controlled possibly Republican controlled in the future, will and can run Healthcare better?  The dangers, risk, and effects are exponential as well as open ended cost that will only escalate and add to the Federal debt.  The only way of control is CUTS which when under Federal Control means political cuts and our healthcare, which was arguably the best will suffer and decline, also most likely exponentially.  That and the fact that I honestly believe that Constitutionally (no matter what John Roberts wrote) it's not allowed for the Federal Government to have that much control and power.  I fully believe 100% that none of our Founding Fathers or those who constructed the Constitution would have approved in any way.   Personally I have provided for my own Healthcare always and have always had and maintained health insurance as I do now but I'm totally against the Government having control as they do and I fully expect it to be the most horrendous result that our Nation has ever seen but I hope, I really do, hope I am wrong.  Either way I fully hope the Democrats get the credit or the blame for it is 100% in their corner and of their own doing and alone is reason to either back the Democrats or run from them.

 

Just my thoughts/ , but I'm pretty dammed tired of having my medical bills go thru the roof because I'm paying for my own health care and probably a dozen more who won't get insurance for themselves.

Control of Executive and Legislative Branches of Government

Chart obtained from: http://uspolitics.about.com/od...party_division_2.htm

Party in Power

 

Unless I'm wrong TOTAL CONTROL (not necessarily filibusterer proof control) breaks down like this

Republicans:   2003-2005 -  The Iraq War, after September 2001 unprecedented Attack on the US

Democrats:    1945, 1949-1951, 1961-1967 (remember vietnam war?), 1977-1979, 1993, 2009 (in the future we'll be saying Remember Democratic Healthcare (Obamacare)?)

Yes Republicans have controlled both houses and the Presidency but not near as often as the Democrats have yielded control.  And I submit that in many of the BEST years of this Nation we had Shared control and parties working together.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

Lol at all of you that think there is a big difference between the 2 major parties;

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One more time. It would be impossible to go along with ONE party 100%, I certainly don't, but it seems to me that democrats buy into all of the crazy mess their party puts out, but even if they don't, they won't speak out against them. They'll call others on things, such as racist remarks or any little event or statement they can stretch into racism, yet completely ignore or try to justify it in their own party. That's just ONE example of their double standard. On the things that matter to ME, the republican party is the one I agree with the most. 

Originally Posted by gbrk:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by gbrk:

I'm not opposed to paying for my own healthcare or for those who legitimately cannot afford it but not those who can work but won't or those who are illegal or those who don't care a bit about personal responsibility to try and do for themselves but still even before the Healthcare act those people WERE taken care of and NO ONE was turned away from Emergency Rooms and patient care.  That was an act enacted by Congress that they couldn't be turned away so care was provided and given.  As for who paid that's where the inflated cost came in.  Healthcare became so expensive to make up for all those that were not paying.  And I believe you will see and discover, not long from now, that not only is Healthcare more expensive than even before but Insurance will be more expensive and mandatory and each persons personal cost will increase as waiting lines get longer and service actually declines.  NAME ME ONE thing that Government has control of that is run more efficiently than in or under the private sector, just one?
Medicare - overhead cost 3% vs 30%+ for private insurance companies .(under Obamacare, they will have to hold that down to around 15%)
TVA - until the Reagan era that "privatized TVA" had the 2nd cheapest power prices in the nation. In addition , as of 2003 (when I retired) 75% of all the commercial fertilizer sold in the WORLD had TVA patents on it.

USPS - although it is really a semi-government entity, it was pretty well run until the Republican Congress decided to force them to prepay retirement for people not yet born that will maybe work at the USPS someday. Paying less than 50c to be able to drop a letter in the box in front of my house, and it get to someone else's box in front of their house is a pretty good deal.

Social Security is pretty well run, as far as I can tell. It is not broke, and regardless of what right wing media tries to lie about, has never added one single dime to the debt.

The US military . I would trust my fate in the hands of  the US military long before I would trust it to Cheney and  Blackwater.

The National Parks, NASA and the space program, on and on.


How's that , I named a bunch and haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet !


  Now what makes you think our Government and bureaucracy, now Democratically controlled possibly Republican controlled in the future, will and can run Healthcare better?  The dangers, risk, and effects are exponential as well as open ended cost that will only escalate and add to the Federal debt.  The only way of control is CUTS which when under Federal Control means political cuts and our healthcare, which was arguably the best will suffer and decline, also most likely exponentially.  That and the fact that I honestly believe that Constitutionally (no matter what John Roberts wrote) it's not allowed for the Federal Government to have that much control and power.  I fully believe 100% that none of our Founding Fathers or those who constructed the Constitution would have approved in any way.   Personally I have provided for my own Healthcare always and have always had and maintained health insurance as I do now but I'm totally against the Government having control as they do and I fully expect it to be the most horrendous result that our Nation has ever seen but I hope, I really do, hope I am wrong. 

Personally, I think that it would have been far better in the long run, for them just to have had a national single payer system , ie: Medicare for all. However, as I've posted before, there are plenty of people who don't have insurance that can well afford it, but just expect the hospital will write off their cost if they go to the ER. Well, they don't "write it off" they pass it on in the form of higher cost to the people who do have insurance and to some degree the taxpayers.

Next, "Obamacare" , regardless of what the right wing media whines about, is not control of "healthcare" but is mostly about controlling the insurance companies who will no longer be able to just run amuk and run cost up in order to give their execs multi-million dollar bonuses.
I have far less fear about it than you seem to, probably because I don't listen to the prophets of doom in the media.

Also, I think it is open to improvement, and may have come out better if the R's had seen fit to cooperate on writing it instead of deciding to make it the issue to deny Obama a second term.

Since we are the only industrialized country in the world that has not had universal healthcare coverage, and in most categories, we are way down on the list for good healthcare, it seems to me that what we were doing was not working very well.
One of the things I like so much about FDR is that he was willing to try something, and if it didn't work, can it and try something different. Let's give this a try before saying it dosen't work, if it dosen't , I'll be on board to try something different.


Either way I fully hope the Democrats get the credit or the blame for it is 100% in their corner and of their own doing and alone is reason to either back the Democrats or run from them.

 

Just my thoughts/ , but I'm pretty dammed tired of having my medical bills go thru the roof because I'm paying for my own health care and probably a dozen more who won't get insurance for themselves.

Control of Executive and Legislative Branches of Government

Chart obtained from: http://uspolitics.about.com/od...party_division_2.htm

Party in Power

 

Unless I'm wrong TOTAL CONTROL (not necessarily filibusterer proof control) breaks down like this

Republicans:   2003-2005 -  The Iraq War, after September 2001 unprecedented Attack on the US

Democrats:    1945, 1949-1951, 1961-1967 (remember vietnam war?), 1977-1979, 1993, 2009 (in the future we'll be saying Remember Democratic Healthcare (Obamacare)?)

Yes Republicans have controlled both houses and the Presidency but not near as often as the Democrats have yielded control.  And I submit that in many of the BEST years of this Nation we had Shared control and parties working together.

I am a strong believer in divided government as long as both sides work for the benefit of the country instead of their party attempting to completely discredit the other party. This is how it was for most of my life, but started changing with the rise of Neut Gingrich and the outlaw, Tom Delay.

It has gotten even worse since then, and we have now Republicans who will not even speak to the Democrats and vice-versa. They are not working together for the good of the nation, and right now, I lay the blame on the R's because of two things: the non talking filibuster  in the Senate which prevents any and all bills from coming to a discussion, much less a vote, and Boner in the House because he will not bring any bill to the floor that does not have enough Republican votes to pass. In other words, the House has shut out the Democrats from the process entirely, and so has a minority in the Senate.   Historically, the Democrats have never done that, but that is where we are today.

No seeweed you are a far left liberal that thinks bigger government is better even though government fails every time.

 

You post:

 

“Just in case the American people are crazy enough to put the Republicans back in charge of the country, here is a possible food source to feed you family and get by”.

 

We have a record number of people out of work and on food stamps because liberals don’t have a clue on how to govern. And you’re so dumb that you blame it on Republicans. Give me a break.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Why is this in food talk?  Discuss Democrat incompetence somewhere more fitting. 

you are right, we should be discussing the relative merits of eating guinea pigs

Sure, the Incas considered them a delicacy.  Perhaps, we should go to the source:

http://www.shelfordfeast.co.uk/guineapig.html

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/od/cuisine/a/cuy.htm

 

Although , I don't see why the first choice wouldn't be squirrel.  They are plentiful and a mainstay during the Depression.  When my dad, as a child, moved from Chattanooga to Tuscumbia, he saw the Depression wasn't as bad in Tuscumbia as there were plenty of squirrels running around and few in Chattanooga. 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Why is this in food talk?  Discuss Democrat incompetence somewhere more fitting. 

you are right, we should be discussing the relative merits of eating guinea pigs

Sure, the Incas considered them a delicacy.  Perhaps, we should go to the source:

http://www.shelfordfeast.co.uk/guineapig.html

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/od/cuisine/a/cuy.htm

 

Although , I don't see why the first choice wouldn't be squirrel.  They are plentiful and a mainstay during the Depression.  When my dad, as a child, moved from Chattanooga to Tuscumbia, he saw the Depression wasn't as bad in Tuscumbia as there were plenty of squirrels running around and few in Chattanooga. 

 

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During the Depression , people out West ate armadillos, called them "Hoover Hogs" . 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Why is this in food talk?  Discuss Democrat incompetence somewhere more fitting. 

you are right, we should be discussing the relative merits of eating guinea pigs

Sure, the Incas considered them a delicacy.  Perhaps, we should go to the source:

http://www.shelfordfeast.co.uk/guineapig.html

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/od/cuisine/a/cuy.htm

 

Although , I don't see why the first choice wouldn't be squirrel.  They are plentiful and a mainstay during the Depression.  When my dad, as a child, moved from Chattanooga to Tuscumbia, he saw the Depression wasn't as bad in Tuscumbia as there were plenty of squirrels running around and few in Chattanooga. 

 

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During the Depression , people out West ate armadillos, called them "Hoover Hogs" . 

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In Florida, they ate nine-banded armadillos (Dasypus novemcinctus) during the depression and called them "poor man's pig."

 

While living in Florida in the 60s, I "oven-barbequed" and ate a couple of armadillos of this same species..  All dark meat and slightly gamy, but all in all not half bad!  The outer shell peels off easily and there is a layer of fat between it and the meat, but that also is easy to remove. Remove the guts, head (unless you don't mind your food looking back at you), and tail, wrap in foil, shiny side in, and baste frequently.  Cook about 2 1/2 hours at 350 degrees, slightly longer if you are lucky enough to have a larger-than-usual specimen.  Test with a fork at the end of your cooking time.  The meat should easily come away from the bone. I got good results with a tomato-based sauce.  I advise using a meat thermometer and cooking to the same temperature as specified for pork.  Armadillos carry the leprosy (Hansen's Disease) bacillus, so use gloves when preparing this dish.  Don't worry too much about leprosy, since it is not transmitted by casual contact and is readily cured by modern treatments. 

 

Some advice from Texas: http://discussions.texasbowhun...wthread.php?t=137158

 

Another suggestion for cooking this tasty beast: http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zarmadilo3.html 

 

There are lots of armadillos in the Shoals.

Have at it and ENJOY!

EAT ME!!

About guinea pigs, seeweed's link included this:

 

<<<A "herd" of two males and 20 females can sustainably provide meat to a family of six.>>>


My nest is empty and our family just has two people.  Two males and 6 or 7 females should serve our needs easily and I have plenty of room in the basement.  H-m-m-m...might think about becoming a guinea pig wrangler or a "cavy cowboy."


This variety looks promising


I believe I would stay away from the long-haired variety.  Too much of the food goes to grow the coat.


 :

Originally Posted by Contendah:

About guinea pigs, seeweed's link included this:

 

<<<A "herd" of two males and 20 females can sustainably provide meat to a family of six.>>>


My nest is empty and our family just has two people.  Two males and 6 or 7 females should serve our needs easily and I have plenty of room in the basement.  H-m-m-m...might think about becoming a guinea pig wrangler or a "cavy cowboy."


This variety looks promising


I believe I would stay away from the long-haired variety.  Too much of the food goes to grow the coat.


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Looks like it could be an entrepreneurial opportunity at some time in the future. Cleaning the long haired variety could get messy .

I bet they clean just about like squirrel.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Why is this in food talk?  Discuss Democrat incompetence somewhere more fitting. 

you are right, we should be discussing the relative merits of eating guinea pigs

Sure, the Incas considered them a delicacy.  Perhaps, we should go to the source:

http://www.shelfordfeast.co.uk/guineapig.html

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/od/cuisine/a/cuy.htm

 

Although , I don't see why the first choice wouldn't be squirrel.  They are plentiful and a mainstay during the Depression.  When my dad, as a child, moved from Chattanooga to Tuscumbia, he saw the Depression wasn't as bad in Tuscumbia as there were plenty of squirrels running around and few in Chattanooga. 

 

========

During the Depression , people out West ate armadillos, called them "Hoover Hogs" . 

____

In Florida, they ate nine-banded armadillos (Dasypus novemcinctus) during the depression and called them "poor man's pig."

 

While living in Florida in the 60s, I "oven-barbequed" and ate a couple of armadillos of this same species..  All dark meat and slightly gamy, but all in all not half bad!  The outer shell peels off easily and there is a layer of fat between it and the meat, but that also is easy to remove. Remove the guts, head (unless you don't mind your food looking back at you), and tail, wrap in foil, shiny side in, and baste frequently.  Cook about 2 1/2 hours at 350 degrees, slightly longer if you are lucky enough to have a larger-than-usual specimen.  Test with a fork at the end of your cooking time.  The meat should easily come away from the bone. I got good results with a tomato-based sauce.  I advise using a meat thermometer and cooking to the same temperature as specified for pork.  Armadillos carry the leprosy (Hansen's Disease) bacillus, so use gloves when preparing this dish.  Don't worry too much about leprosy, since it is not transmitted by casual contact and is readily cured by modern treatments. 

 

Some advice from Texas: http://discussions.texasbowhun...wthread.php?t=137158

 

Another suggestion for cooking this tasty beast: http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zarmadilo3.html 

 

There are lots of armadillos in the Shoals.

Have at it and ENJOY!

EAT ME!!

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I've never eaten a Hoover Hog myself, and I rarely see one except roadkill. However, they manage to dig up my mom's yard pretty good whenever they venture out, so there must be a plentiful supply/

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