Justice

 Even though he didn't mention my personal favorite "poster child for gawd" karla faye tucker!!!

LOL.... I'll have to look her up.

 

Here's a plain spoken, intelligent man on the subject of belief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...&feature=related

 

DF

I rarely support capital punishment, as in death. I do support Life Without Possibility Of Parole. I certainly thought that Tucker's death sentence should have been commuted, but I was not the one to decide that. While I honestly believe she was a changed woman, it's pretty easy for every prison inmate to claim an epiphany. Should we release them all? If a bank robber repents should we allow him to keep his money? It's called a slippery slope.

Tucker may have been a changed woman while in jail, but we don't know what she would have been like out of jail.

The two people she killed is still dead, they don't get a chance at any kind of life. Tucker once told that she experienced intense multiple orgasms with each blow of the pickaxe when she killed Deborah Thornton.

I hope she had more of those intense multiple orgasms as she was dying.

 

        The two people she killed is still dead, they don't get a chance at any kind of life. Tucker once told that she experienced intense multiple orgasms with each blow of the pickaxe when she killed Deborah Thornton.
I hope she had more of those intense multiple orgasms as she was dying.


While I realize it is possible for a person to change over the long period of time they are in prison it still does not erase the fact that the murders took place. It still doesn't bring back those killed. It also doesn't heal the hurting and grieving families left behind to deal with it for the rest of their lives. Always feeling the loss of loved ones.

It's almost too much for me to stomach to hear one say that they are in gods hands now and they are forgiven. I know it's possible and might be true but it doesn't fix anything outside of their own life/ mind. It doesn't erase what they did in this world. It might give them some sort of internal peace but it just seems very selfish to me. Especially the ones who show no remorse. It's just a very difficult subject and I'm sure many people feel many different ways about it. But this is my opinion.

I agree with you.

  It is true that she may have made a genuine conversion to Christianity, God will grant forgiveness for anything if a person is sincere when asking. It's a good thing that men do not decide who gets into Heaven and who doesn't as we would be letting a lot of folks in who should not be there and denying entrance to many who should be in Heaven.

 On the other hand, when these people become Christians then it is God who grants forgiveness but that does not release them from their just punishment for crimes committed here and as for Karla Faye Tucker, "God might have forgiven her and others like her but the state of Texas is liable to be a little more hard-nosed about it". (Quote stolen from a movie but it conveys my opinion on the subject very well)

Her sentence commuted to life? It's just a shame they couldn't execute her twice, once for each victim.

true story-- When Karla Faye Tucker was executed a reporter from?? I just seen the clip on a bloopers show. Anyway the reporter stated that Karla Taye *ucker had just been executed;  She got her F and T backwards!

Another "gem" that we can all hope gets "saved" (again) so he can go flying off to a heaven when he dies of natural causes, because unfortunately he didn't get death, he got 175 years in prison. Big whoop. Then again he might not want anymore to do with religion since the reason he was caught was because he was using his church's computer to communicate with the police.

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How the Cops Caught BTK

 

"A few weeks later, such a disk from BTK was sent to a local television station. The disk was quickly traced to Rader through a computer at his church. DNA testing soon confirmed that Rader was BTK, a name he took for himself that stands for bind, torture and kill."

http://www.abajournal.com/maga...the_cops_caught_btk/

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This is one everyone should read all about, and keep in mind that christians will say this "thing", can go to a heaven. Look at his victims, some were small children, and think that over.

I don't think that preacher or the guy doing the commentary know the meaning of 'self-righteous Pharisee'.  Pharisees were holier than thou church leaders who did things contrary to God's Word, including adding to it.  Jesus was not a fan & regularly gave them a tongue lashing.

 

If it had been in Lauderdale County, the two of them could have gotten a deal for 25 years. Maybe less since one victim was a drug dealer and the other was a married woman in bed with him at the time of the murder. Sad commentary on our justice system.

Sad commentary is that someone thinks the two victims might have deserved what they got. I have no idea if he was a drug dealer, I'll read the report again. I don't remember them being in bed together either but again I could have forgotten the details since it's been a while. And kft was a drugged out tramp that wouldn't think twice about going to bed with a married man OR having sex next to the bodies of two people she'd just slaughtered. So IF a jury found she was of a higher moral standard than her victims I guess that is indeed a sad commentary not only on our system, but on human nature too.

So, you are very much like her. You believe that killing, even killing twice, is OK if you have a good reason. It seems to me that you and the woman you would like to kill twice are pretty much the same, morally, that is.

I'll let you explain how her killing two people was OK and what good reason she had. As for me thinking killing is OK, in her case and cases like hers, yes I do. BTK should have been given death.

Thank you for clarifying that you and murders are the same. You both believe that it is OK to kill, if you have a good reason. You both believe that killing is moral. No cold-blooded killer was ever sicker than you. Believe whatever you want, just don't pretend that you are any better than the killers that you think deserve to die.

Well jimma all you did was repeat yourself. I thought you wanted to tell me how karla faye killing two people was OK. It was her bad luck that she didn't get you on her jury but maybe one day you'll get to turn a sick murdering ***** loose. That will make you feel better I'm sure, and when you do turn them loose don't worry about the fact that it will make you no better than them.

Hi Firenze,

You write, "I rarely support capital punishment, as in death.  I do support Life Without Possibility Of Parole.  I certainly thought that Tucker's death sentence should have been commuted, but I was not the one to decide that.  While I honestly believe she was a changed woman, it's pretty easy for every prison inmate to claim an epiphany.  Should we release them all?  If a bank robber repents should we allow him to keep his money?  It's called a slippery slope."

You and I are on the same page with this.  Just as with the followers of Charles Manson, the same with Karla Faye Tucker -- if their conversions are real (and I cannot judge that; only the person and God can) -- I say commute the sentence to life in prison without  parole.

Yet, to me, that would be a worse sentence -- for a Christian believer, even one who has committed horrible crimes, knows that leaving this world means being with Jesus Christ.   Personally, I would rather be with Him than in prison for life.  On the other hand, being in prison still offers a true believer the chance to be His witness and to help lead others to salvation in Jesus Christ.

In one of his prison epistles, Paul wrote to the people of Philippi, in Philippians 1:21-24, "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is  gain.  But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose.  But I am  hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in  the flesh is more necessary for your sake."

That should always be the desire of a Christian believer -- to live on, regardless of circumstances, and bear fruit of salvation among those still in the grasp of today's secular world and society.

Several times I have written about my Friend, Momma Olga Robertson, who spent almost 50 years of her life in prison ministry -- for 25 years living within the prison compound of the largest prison in Manila, in a home built for her and her son, Shalom, by the inmates.

Olga witnessed to prisoners at all levels -- from petty thieves to those on death row.  She helped quite a few, even among those on death row, become Christian believers.  But, those believers on death row all had one thing in common at their execution.  They died with a smile on their faces -- for they knew that in just a few moments they would be in the presence of their Lord and Savior, Jesus  Christ -- for eternity.

Olga Robertson wrote a book about her years living in New Bilibid Prison in Manila, Philippines.  The title is The Men In My Life and anyone interested in a copy can probably get it through the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (California) book store -- or I can put you in touch with Olga's daughter, Kay, who can help you.

There is a great article about Momma Olga Robertson in the Calvary Chapel Magazine:

http://www.calvarymagazine.org...nal_testimony_25.pdf

 

An excerpt from that article tells us:

Not long ago, a young woman, Anna Jose, was introduced to Olga’s autobiography, The Men In My Life, in a Sunday school class.  The book includes the story of the three rapists.  Anna told the Sunday school teacher that she was the product of one of those rapes.  When Olga was introduced to Anna, she comforted the young woman with the assurance that her father had repented of his sins and would one day be there to meet her in heaven -- where their shared history of sorrow and shame would be forever turned to joy.

Yes, good can come from past evils -- when God is allowed into the story; when the door is opened and Jesus Christ is invited to come in (Revelation 3:20) and be our best Friend.

So, Firenze, like you, I most likely would have voted for Karla Faye's conviction to be commuted to Life Without Parole.  But, that decision was not placed upon our shoulders.

Yet, you and I do have certain powers.  We have the power of prayer for our nation and its leaders.  And, we have the power of the vote -- which we will get to exercise in a major election coming in 2012.   We have the power to bring more Christian influence into the governing bodies in America.

Before our atheist and secularist Friends begin to jump up and down, screaming, "Theocracy!  Theocracy!  Theocracy!" -- let me assure all of our Friends that no Christian believer, still functioning with a sane mind, wants a mortal theocracy in America.  What we want to see is more Christian influence in the governing bodies -- to balance the overwhelming secular power there today.

There is only one theocracy that Christians want to see -- and that will come after the Rapture and after the seven year Tribulation.  It is called the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ -- and He WILL rule the world from the throne of David in Jerusalem for 1000 years.   That theocracy we look forward to enjoying.   A mortal theocracy today -- would be as bad as having a totally secular government.

So, please keep this in mind when you vote in 2012 -- Christian influence in government, not a theocracy, leading us back once again to the Christian America of our roots.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You and I are on the same page with this. Just as with the followers of Charles Manson, the same with Karla Faye Tucker -- if their conversions are real (and I cannot judge that; only the person and God can) -- I say commute the sentence to life in prison without parole.

 

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If the conversion is real commute the sentence? Why? And you go on to say only your god and that person would know if it was real. Contradiction there pal. Because on the one hand you say if it is real commute the sentence, then on the other you say no one knows it's real. Then you wonder why people don't want any part of your cult.