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Originally posted by Billy The Adult:
"Soon there will probably be as many Mexicans in Texas, New Mexico, lower California, and Arizona-and as many Cubans and Latin Americans in Florida-as there are natives?They are also pouring in from Haiti. Now a vast majority of these are illegal. They?re coming over the border, and they're coming with wives and sisters and nieces who get pregnant immediately because they can then become American citizens and go on relief. I do not know how much more we can absorb?In the 19th century, the U.S. absorbed something like 40 million immigrants. But the vast majority were of a fundamental culture, and they were all white. They were not black or brown or yellow." She went on to say that "to prefer the ways of one?s own culture is not racist." America is being overrun by people who are not given to white Western folkways."


Written by Clare Boothe Luce 1903-1987


NATIVES??? Did you just put the word NATIVES up there? Hello, we acquired that territory from Mexico. That would make them the NATIVE people of the area. If you proof your copy and paste jobs you can correct the punctuation. Also, having a baby here does not make you a citizen, it only makes the child one. Ms. Luce's statement was made in a different era and has little or no bearing on the situation today. Add to that the fact that her statement appears on the site www.kkk.bz and it begins to lose credibility. That Mrs. Luce is obviously not a paragon of liberal, internationalist compassion is very clear. That she does not seem to be aware of the underlying racism of her remarks is also obvious. That she also re-writes history to suit her arguments appear to be a symptom of her social, economic, and cultural amnesia which has become increasingly used to justify and to defend the transformation of public policy initiated by the national executives Mrs. Luce advised. In point of fact, many upper class WASP (white anglo saxon protestants) Americans before World War I didn't see the immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe as sharing the same common fundamental culture with them. The upper class pessimism about the ability of the immigrants and their children to ever become American was a lot more profound than Mrs. Luce's about the new immigrants. In the 1920's immigration restriction laws were passed, not to keep out Mexicans or Haitians, but to exclude the Polish, Greeks and Jewish. Though many people recognize cultural changes in the USA, it is equally important to note the cultural aspects of race consciousness and ideology in America.

Next time you want to make a point about race, try not to quote a racist.
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It is not "slander" if it is true.

In this case, it is absolutely true that KKK members are generally societal outcasts. Of course, there is the rare exception to this such as David Duke.

My gosh, you are actually supporting a group that is proud of murdering innocent people by hanging people from tree limbs![/QUOTE]


*APPLAUDS!!!!* GoFish!!![/QUOTE]

1) What people have been hung from tree limbs? If this is true, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for commiting these crimes? Why have these hangings not been on the national news?
2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.
3) I stated from the very beginning that I do not support the KKK. I said I agree with their views on illegal immigration.
4) Not all illegal immigrants are races other than white; some of these aliens are white Canadian or European. This is not a racial issue. Illegal immigrants are of many different nationalities and races.
5) Agreeing on an issue with anyone, no matter who it is, doesn't mean you support them.

My argument is that you can voice your opinion without resorting to childish name calling. Of course, you can write whatever you want--it is the redneck way, isn't it?
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1) What people have been hung from tree limbs? If this is true, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for commiting these crimes? Why have these hangings not been on the national news?

Are you kidding me? It did make the national news. It made the newspapers. Either you weren't born yet, or you didn't read your history books. Lynchings actually took place. The KKK was actually implicated. Some of them did actual jail time when they were convicted.

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.

Societal outcasts is not a slur. It is a statement. General, polite, educated society does NOT embrace the KKK. The other terms do represent name-calling and generalizations. I don't beleive your use of the word "predjudice" is correct in this instance. The members of the KKK have a certain mindset and a certain belief system that we are all familiar with. Calling it stupid is not totally incorrect. Prejudice is making a judgement without knowing, we know what they stand for and we don't support it. We being the people your post is aimed at.

3) I stated from the very beginning that I do not support the KKK. I said I agree with their views on illegal immigration.

Are you sure? Do you know their stance? Is it to send the illegals back where they came from or is it to hurt or even kill them? Can you say with conviction that they only want to humanely gather the illegal immigrants and safely transport them home?

4) Not all illegal immigrants are races other than white; some of these aliens are white Canadian or European. This is not a racial issue. Illegal immigrants are of many different nationalities and races.

If it weren't a racial issue then the klan would not be involved.

5) Agreeing on an issue with anyone, no matter who it is, doesn't mean you support them.

Again, do you know their views?

My argument is that you can voice your opinion without resorting to childish name calling. Of course, you can write whatever you want--it is the redneck way, isn't it?

and then you resorted to name-calling. Why yes kettle, I am black. And what about you?
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.


I don't support the KKK nor do I think they should exist. I do believe we have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't believe their is a place for generalized name calling.

Stupid-
This can be something that can't be helped such as a deformity, a birth defect, a head injury, etc. etc. and to use this word in such a way could show prejudice toward stupid people.

Redneck-

According to Merriam-Webster:
redneck
One entry found for redneck.

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
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I am a redneck. Please don't use this word in a disparaging way such as aimed at the KKK. They don't deserve to be rednecks.


toothless-

many factors are to blame for this condition:

genetics- I have a niece that had a full set of teeth by the time she was sixth months old, the majority of which had to be capped before she was two

accidents- I have a nephew that fell out of the top bunk when his feet were tangled in the sheets. He swung into the bottom bunk and knocked out all of his front teeth.

lack of affordable dental care: let's see, pay the bills and feed the family or go to the dentist?


Do I hate the KKK? yes, as an organization. As individuals? no, but I do pity them and hope they can someday see that their way is Hell's way
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.


I don't support the KKK nor do I think they should exist. I do believe we have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't believe their is a place for generalized name calling.

Stupid-
This can be something that can't be helped such as a deformity, a birth defect, a head injury, etc. etc. and to use this word in such a way could show prejudice toward stupid people.

Redneck-

According to Merriam-Webster:
redneck
One entry found for redneck.

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
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I am a redneck. Please don't use this word in a disparaging way such as aimed at the KKK. They don't deserve to be rednecks.


toothless-

many factors are to blame for this condition:

genetics- I have a niece that had a full set of teeth by the time she was sixth months old, the majority of which had to be capped before she was two

accidents- I have a nephew that fell out of the top bunk when his feet were tangled in the sheets. He swung into the bottom bunk and knocked out all of his front teeth.

lack of affordable dental care: let's see, pay the bills and feed the family or go to the dentist?


Do I hate the KKK? yes, as an organization. As individuals? no, but I do pity them and hope they can someday see that their way is Hell's way


YankeeWitch, you've taken the time to explain my points in detail, thank you.

I agree with you on all points except for "hate" and "hell's way." I don't hate, nor do I condemn people to hell. I do realize that you did not condemn the KKK to hell but believe their way "is hell's way"--I know there is a difference.

My religion leaves Supreme Judgement to my God. As noted in previous posts, not everyone on this Forum are Christians; therefore I'm not trying to push my religious beliefs on anyone. I'm agreeing to disagree on the point of hating an organization as everyone has Free Will and may believe whatever they want--even if it is hating an organization because they, too, hate.

To me, hate is hate no matter if it is organized or not.
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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1) What people have been hung from tree limbs? If this is true, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for commiting these crimes? Why have these hangings not been on the national news?

Are you kidding me? It did make the national news. It made the newspapers. Either you weren't born yet, or you didn't read your history books. Lynchings actually took place. The KKK was actually implicated. Some of them did actual jail time when they were convicted.

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.

Societal outcasts is not a slur. It is a statement. General, polite, educated society does NOT embrace the KKK. The other terms do represent name-calling and generalizations. I don't beleive your use of the word "predjudice" is correct in this instance. The members of the KKK have a certain mindset and a certain belief system that we are all familiar with. Calling it stupid is not totally incorrect. Prejudice is making a judgement without knowing, we know what they stand for and we don't support it. We being the people your post is aimed at.

3) I stated from the very beginning that I do not support the KKK. I said I agree with their views on illegal immigration.

Are you sure? Do you know their stance? Is it to send the illegals back where they came from or is it to hurt or even kill them? Can you say with conviction that they only want to humanely gather the illegal immigrants and safely transport them home?

4) Not all illegal immigrants are races other than white; some of these aliens are white Canadian or European. This is not a racial issue. Illegal immigrants are of many different nationalities and races.

If it weren't a racial issue then the klan would not be involved.

5) Agreeing on an issue with anyone, no matter who it is, doesn't mean you support them.

Again, do you know their views?

My argument is that you can voice your opinion without resorting to childish name calling. Of course, you can write whatever you want--it is the redneck way, isn't it?

and then you resorted to name-calling. Why yes kettle, I am black. And what about you?


SmartChick, I haven't heard of a KKK member being prosecuted for hanging or lynching since I've been born; if the people protesting in Tuscumbia are murderers then you obviously know something that should be reported to the police so these murderers and lynchers can be prosecuted.

Why don't you tell us what the KKK's stance on illegal immigration is? You are the SmartChick and obviously know so much more than everyone else. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

After reading all of these posts, some say that redneck is not a derogatory term and shouldn't be confused with people in the KKK, now you are saying that "redneck" is name-calling. Which is it?
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone. However, it wasn't a group like the KKK, it was individuals who thought they could dehumanize me by their actions and derogatory words against me. Since then, I have vowed to never use mean, hurtful words against anyone;


Hah! That's funny. You said you were a mix of "Cherokee, German and Irish." Around these parts, that makes you a pretty generic "white person."

It also probably makes you a relative of mine because I am of that exact same makeup.

To say that you have been a victim of racial bias and hatred is simply unbelievable. I call BS on you. I don't think you nor I have any true inkling of what is is like to be hated by so many simply because of the color of our skin.


WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!


GREAT Comment!!!!!


I wouldn't call anyone a liar before knowing the facts. Prejudice exists in all races, but not every one is prejudiced. Prejudices against "whites" and "blacks" thrive in areas like Humbolt Park in Chicago. That is only one example. Largers cities like Miami, Houston, New York, Orlando and others are filled with gangs which spread crimes of hate and violence against both black and white people.

Until you have lived in an areas like these and witnessed the racial hatred of these gangs and even people who are not affiliated with these gangs, you have no clue what it is like.

How would you feel if your daughter, mother, sister or friend were raped by an ethnic group because they think all white women are "stupid white *** *******?" What would you do if someone told you to your face that "we are going to stick it to the white man like he stuck it to the black man." Would you embrace them?

I call BS on you.
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They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.


So are you saying you support illegal immigration because the KKK opposes it? No thinking, feeling, civilized adult would oppose an issue as serious as illegal immigration because some people associate the issue with the KKK (at least according to posts on this forum.)

Conservative, respectful groups like NumbersUSA are anti-illegal immigration. In your mind, are these conservative groups associated with the KKK, too? Surely you don't think so. You wouldn't if you are a "thinking civilized adult."

Can you explain how the people who protested in Tuscumbia are lynchers and murderers? You seem to be referring to crimes of the past. Are you saying violent crimes are being committed by the persons who protested against illegal immigration in Tuscumbia? From what I read it was a peaceful protest.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone. However, it wasn't a group like the KKK, it was individuals who thought they could dehumanize me by their actions and derogatory words against me. Since then, I have vowed to never use mean, hurtful words against anyone;


Hah! That's funny. You said you were a mix of "Cherokee, German and Irish." Around these parts, that makes you a pretty generic "white person."

It also probably makes you a relative of mine because I am of that exact same makeup.

To say that you have been a victim of racial bias and hatred is simply unbelievable. I call BS on you. I don't think you nor I have any true inkling of what is is like to be hated by so many simply because of the color of our skin.


WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!


GREAT Comment!!!!!


I wouldn't call anyone a liar before knowing the facts. Prejudice exists in all races, but not every one is prejudiced. Prejudices against "whites" and "blacks" thrive in areas like Humbolt Park in Chicago. That is only one example. Largers cities like Miami, Houston, New York, Orlando and others are filled with gangs which spread crimes of hate and violence against both black and white people.

Until you have lived in an areas like these and witnessed the racial hatred of these gangs and even people who are not affiliated with these gangs, you have no clue what it is like.

How would you feel if your daughter, mother, sister or friend were raped by an ethnic group because they think all white women are "stupid white a** b*t*hes?" What would you do if someone told you to your face that "we are going to stick it to the white man like he stuck it to the black man." Would you embrace them?

I call BS on you.
You are not in Chicago, Houston, Miami, New york, or Orlando. I am sorry if you have had to experience these things. Still, I am curious about how one thing connects to the other. If you have a problem, address the problem. Have you been mistreated, or threatened in any way here? That is like saying I had a blue car one time that was a lemon, therefore, I hate and will never have a blue car again. People are individuals. We all think on our own. I would sure hate to think that people who looked a lot like me had broken the law, therefore because of how I looked, I am automaticly guilty. This is the thinking of the KKK and any other racist, and it is wrong. People do wrong. No doubt about it. But to condemn groups of people because of it is ignorance.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.


I don't support the KKK nor do I think they should exist. I do believe we have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't believe their is a place for generalized name calling.

Stupid-
This can be something that can't be helped such as a deformity, a birth defect, a head injury, etc. etc. and to use this word in such a way could show prejudice toward stupid people.

Redneck-

According to Merriam-Webster:
redneck
One entry found for redneck.

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
------------------------------------------
I am a redneck. Please don't use this word in a disparaging way such as aimed at the KKK. They don't deserve to be rednecks.


toothless-

many factors are to blame for this condition:

genetics- I have a niece that had a full set of teeth by the time she was sixth months old, the majority of which had to be capped before she was two

accidents- I have a nephew that fell out of the top bunk when his feet were tangled in the sheets. He swung into the bottom bunk and knocked out all of his front teeth.

lack of affordable dental care: let's see, pay the bills and feed the family or go to the dentist?


Do I hate the KKK? yes, as an organization. As individuals? no, but I do pity them and hope they can someday see that their way is Hell's way


YankeeWitch, you've taken the time to explain my points in detail, thank you.

I agree with you on all points except for "hate" and "hell's way." I don't hate, nor do I condemn people to hell. I do realize that you did not condemn the KKK to hell but believe their way "is hell's way"--I know there is a difference.

My religion leaves Supreme Judgement to my God. As noted in previous posts, not everyone on this Forum are Christians; therefore I'm not trying to push my religious beliefs on anyone. I'm agreeing to disagree on the point of hating an organization as everyone has Free Will and may believe whatever they want--even if it is hating an organization because they, too, hate.

To me, hate is hate no matter if it is organized or not.


Now who's name calling? Did you just call me a yankeewitch? LOL Check the name before you address the writer.

I thought I made it clear I didn't hate the people, just the organization. Maybe difficult to see but there is a difference.
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone. However, it wasn't a group like the KKK, it was individuals who thought they could dehumanize me by their actions and derogatory words against me. Since then, I have vowed to never use mean, hurtful words against anyone;


Hah! That's funny. You said you were a mix of "Cherokee, German and Irish." Around these parts, that makes you a pretty generic "white person."

It also probably makes you a relative of mine because I am of that exact same makeup.

To say that you have been a victim of racial bias and hatred is simply unbelievable. I call BS on you. I don't think you nor I have any true inkling of what is is like to be hated by so many simply because of the color of our skin.


WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!


GREAT Comment!!!!!


I wouldn't call anyone a liar before knowing the facts. Prejudice exists in all races, but not every one is prejudiced. Prejudices against "whites" and "blacks" thrive in areas like Humbolt Park in Chicago. That is only one example. Largers cities like Miami, Houston, New York, Orlando and others are filled with gangs which spread crimes of hate and violence against both black and white people.

Until you have lived in an areas like these and witnessed the racial hatred of these gangs and even people who are not affiliated with these gangs, you have no clue what it is like.

How would you feel if your daughter, mother, sister or friend were raped by an ethnic group because they think all white women are "stupid white a** b*t*hes?" What would you do if someone told you to your face that "we are going to stick it to the white man like he stuck it to the black man." Would you embrace them?

I call BS on you.
You are not in Chicago, Houston, Miami, New york, or Orlando. I am sorry if you have had to experience these things. Still, I am curious about how one thing connects to the other. If you have a problem, address the problem. Have you been mistreated, or threatened in any way here? That is like saying I had a blue car one time that was a lemon, therefore, I hate and will never have a blue car again. People are individuals. We all think on our own. I would sure hate to think that people who looked a lot like me had broken the law, therefore because of how I looked, I am automaticly guilty. This is the thinking of the KKK and any other racist, and it is wrong. People do wrong. No doubt about it. But to condemn groups of people because of it is ignorance.


You have no clue where I live. I am not condeming a whole group of people. I stated that prejudice exists in all races; but not every one is prejudiced.

Racism and prejudice against the white race definitely exits. I did not condemn a whole group of people.

Gangs like the Mara Salvatrucha are racist, violent and heavily armed. They are smuggling drugs and weapons into our country. They rape and murder. This is a fact. Research it.
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.


I don't support the KKK nor do I think they should exist. I do believe we have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't believe their is a place for generalized name calling.

Stupid-
This can be something that can't be helped such as a deformity, a birth defect, a head injury, etc. etc. and to use this word in such a way could show prejudice toward stupid people.

Redneck-

According to Merriam-Webster:
redneck
One entry found for redneck.

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
------------------------------------------
I am a redneck. Please don't use this word in a disparaging way such as aimed at the KKK. They don't deserve to be rednecks.


toothless-

many factors are to blame for this condition:

genetics- I have a niece that had a full set of teeth by the time she was sixth months old, the majority of which had to be capped before she was two

accidents- I have a nephew that fell out of the top bunk when his feet were tangled in the sheets. He swung into the bottom bunk and knocked out all of his front teeth.

lack of affordable dental care: let's see, pay the bills and feed the family or go to the dentist?


Do I hate the KKK? yes, as an organization. As individuals? no, but I do pity them and hope they can someday see that their way is Hell's way


YankeeWitch, you've taken the time to explain my points in detail, thank you.

I agree with you on all points except for "hate" and "hell's way." I don't hate, nor do I condemn people to hell. I do realize that you did not condemn the KKK to hell but believe their way "is hell's way"--I know there is a difference.

My religion leaves Supreme Judgement to my God. As noted in previous posts, not everyone on this Forum are Christians; therefore I'm not trying to push my religious beliefs on anyone. I'm agreeing to disagree on the point of hating an organization as everyone has Free Will and may believe whatever they want--even if it is hating an organization because they, too, hate.

To me, hate is hate no matter if it is organized or not.


Now who's name calling? Did you just call me a yankeewitch? LOL Check the name before you address the writer.

I thought I made it clear I didn't hate the people, just the organization. Maybe difficult to see but there is a difference.


I apologize for using another posters screen name in reference to you. YankeeWitch is the name of another poster on this forum. I understood that you don't hate the people. I believe you are saying you do not care for (or hate) the organization. Understood.
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
Sounding off with phrases like "cousin-loving ignorant rednecks" is prejudice and racism just as much as using that same phrase in reference to any other people of a certain race, ethnicity and/or organization based on beliefs. It could be considered slander and libel and may even fall into the category of hate crimes if used with any kind of threat. After all, white is a skin color and is protected by civil rights laws as well (though hardly ever enforced.)


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Originally posted by darlene256:
Believe it or not, I am a college senior majoring in journalism. As a journalist, I use language that is comprehensible to a wide variety of readers; in other words, language which is easily understood. However, I'm not an editor nor do I want that job; therefore my grammar and terminology are not always perfect (especially if I'm writing a comment on a forum.)


I wasn't going to call you on this until you mentioned you are a college senior majoring in journalism. If that is the case you should know that there is no slander in the written form. Only libel. Under the Fair Comment Standard (in case they haven't covered that in your journalism classes yet, that is where the defendant shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff) none of the comments on this board regarding the klan could be taken as libel. If they had been spoken they couldn't be taken as slander. As for whites being protected because of the color of their skin, again ~ you are wrong. Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them (that was stated outright by US Commission on Civil Rights Chairman, Mary Frances Berry). I'd think a senior journalism major at any college would know that.


You are correct, Joy. I have not studied the Fair Comment Standard. I will ask my professors to explain this to me and how it relates to journalism. Are you a journalist, too?

You are incorrect about civil rights laws; these laws protect people of any race, color, religion, age, disability and now sexual preference. It would be discrimination if the white race is not protected by the same laws as everyone else legally residing in the U.S.

According to the FBI, a crime is considered a hate crime if it was commited because of a person's race, religion, etc. An example would be the church burnings which took place in Alabama. These crimes were investigated by the FBI because they were thought to be hate crimes against the religions of both white and black people.

Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
How would you feel if your daughter, mother, sister or friend were raped by an ethnic group because they think all white women are "stupid white a** b*t*hes?" What would you do if someone told you to your face that "we are going to stick it to the white man like he stuck it to the black man." Would you embrace them?


I'd kill the SOB's with my bare hands no matter what color they were.

I don't deny that white-directed racism exists. I don't much care for it any more that any other form of racism. Ignorant groups will always hate those that are different. That behavior is hard-wired into all of as the same as it is hard-wired in all mammals. Fortunately, we have a large prefrontal cortex that allows enlightened people to rise above their instincts resulting in occasional harmony between races.

Your occasional brush with racism is utterly different from day-to-day racism that black people experience. That is completely different from the racism that Mexicans experience from the likes of you and the KKK.

Hey, I'm about as WASP as one can get so I can speak as an expert on this issue. To say that you are a victim of overt racism is really quite a stretch.
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Originally posted by
Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.


http://www.google.com/search?q=Civil+rights+laws+were+n...do+not+apply+to+them
"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel." [quoted from Wikipedia]

"In the United States, the traditional privilege of "fair comment" is seen as a protection for robust, even outrageous published or spoken opinions about public officials and public figures. Fair comment is defined as a "common law defense [that] guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff." [quoted from Wikipedia]

Thanks for the info, Joy. However, interpretation of the law is subjective. I avoid the use of derogatory terms because they could be interpreted as being stated with ill will and spite.
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I apologize for using another posters screen name in reference to you. YankeeWitch is the name of another poster on this forum. I understood that you don't hate the people. I believe you are saying you do not care for (or hate) the organization. Understood.[/QUOTE]

IR,
I am a white woman and I lived in the Humbolt Park area.I rode my bike through the park many times at night and no one ever bothered me in anyway.My sister still lives in Chicago and she said all of what you claim is BS.No, I didn't condemn anyone to HELL,because I don't believe in HELL.If I did I sure would want all of the KKK members condemned to it.

As for the illegal immigrant problem,it needs to be addressed by our government-go protest to them.I feel that if we would pass laws and strictly enforce them,we wouldn't have this problem.Provide no jobs-heavily fine employers.No housing-arrest anyone that rents or sells to them.No benefits of any kind-no food stamps-no medical care-no education.Bring our soldiers home and use them to patrol our borders.And if a child is born in this country,it should not be a citizen unless both parents were legal citizens.Make it worse for them here,then it was for them in their own country.Do not attack anyone personally,remember you would want what is best for you and your family,too!
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by
Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.


http://www.google.com/search?q=Civil+rights+laws+were+n...do+not+apply+to+them


Thank you! Mary Frances Berry said it; but it is not true. She no longer has a job, either. Thanks for the link, GoFish.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel." [quoted from Wikipedia]

"In the United States, the traditional privilege of "fair comment" is seen as a protection for robust, even outrageous published or spoken opinions about public officials and public figures. Fair comment is defined as a "common law defense [that] guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff." [quoted from Wikipedia]

Thanks for the info, Joy. However, interpretation of the law is subjective. I avoid the use of derogatory terms because they could be interpreted as being stated with ill will and spite.


From one (former) journalist to another (aspiring) one let me give you some advice.
#1. check your sources. "I got it off of Wikipedia" isn't going to fly in court of with your editor.

In the various states, whether by case law or actual legislation, there are generally several "privileges" that can get a defamation case dismissed without proceeding to trial. These include the allegedly defamatory statement being one of opinion rather than fact; or being "fair comment and criticism", as it is important to society that everyone be able to comment on matters of public interest. [source: www.findlaw.com]

Self proclaimed racists protesting at the county courthouse is a matter of public interest.

Libel is written. Slander is spoken. Libel and slander are the legal subcategories of defamation. [source: www.findlaw.com]

#2. Again, check your sources. It was me, and not Joy, to whom your comments should have been directed (again).
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by
Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.


http://www.google.com/search?q=Civil+rights+laws+were+n...do+not+apply+to+them


Thank you! Mary Frances Berry said it; but it is not true. She no longer has a job, either. Thanks for the link, GoFish.


Untrue. Mary Frances Berry has been the Geraldine R. Segal Professor of American Social Thought and Professor of History at the University of Pennsylvania since 1987. Professor Berry teaches the History of American Law, and the History of Law and Social Policy. She also advises students in African American History.
[source: The University of Pennsylvania faculty and staff directory]
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:


I apologize for using another posters screen name in reference to you. YankeeWitch is the name of another poster on this forum. I understood that you don't hate the people. I believe you are saying you do not care for (or hate) the organization. Understood.[/QUOTE]

IR,
I am a white woman and I lived in the Humbolt Park area.I rode my bike through the park many times at night and no one ever bothered me in anyway.My sister still lives in Chicago and she said all of what you claim is BS.No, I didn't condemn anyone to HELL,because I don't believe in HELL.If I did I sure would want all of the KKK members condemned to it.

As for the illegal immigrant problem,it needs to be addressed by our government-go protest to them.I feel that if we would pass laws and strictly enforce them,we wouldn't have this problem.Provide no jobs-heavily fine employers.No housing-arrest anyone that rents or sells to them.No benefits of any kind-no food stamps-no medical care-no education.Bring our soldiers home and use them to patrol our borders.And if a child is born in this country,it should not be a citizen unless both parents were legal citizens.Make it worse for them here,then it was for them in their own country.Do not attack anyone personally,remember you would want what is best for you and your family,too![/QUOTE]

Who did I attack personally?

I support my views of the dangers of Humboldt Park with facts:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_189090117.html



http://www.nbc5.com/technology/10511348/detail.html
[Quote] CHICAGO -- A Chicago police officer was released from the hospital Monday night after suffering a gunshot wound to the arm in the Humboldt Park neighborhood...

"The officer was in uniform, and him and his partner were in a marked car," Cline said.

Witnesses said the officer and his partner were responding to a fight between rival gang members.

Police said as many as 15 shots were fired as the two rival gangs faced off.

One witness said he saw the officer down in the middle of the street, struggling to get up.

"We was riding in the car. We see everything," said witness Jose Vasquez. "We start seeing the fighting, and after they fighting, the bullets came out." [unquote]

[URL=http://gangresearch.net/ChicagoGangs/latinkings/Reyx.html]

And from Wikipedia.com ...

[quote] The 1970s saw troubled times for Humboldt Park. Gang activity, crime, and violence predominated the area. The neighborhood continues to be economically depressed, with housing values below the city-wide average. Overcrowding remains a serious problem. However, the neighborhood's Puerto Rican population, in the face of gentrification, remains insistent on keeping and expanding a community through many housing, political, social, and economic initiatives like the Paseo Boricua business corridor on Division St between Western and California avenues where two 59 foot steel gateway-like Puerto Rican flags are planted. [unquote]

Google "Latin Kings" and "Humboldt Park" and you will find lots more.

P.S. I agree with you about protesting to the government. I do that by writing letters, emails, faxes and even phone calls to the Bush Administration, Congress, Gov. Riley, and our State Legislators. I'm also involved in conservative groups who are Anti-Illegal Immigration and Pro-English--groups who are lobbying to protect the rights of all legal residents of our country against this invasion of illegals who want our rights without obeying our laws.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Darlene/IR, the post you are responding to is from smart chick, not Joy.


I apologize Joy. I'm typing on a small laptop and the screen moves when I click on reply which results in my inaccurate use of screen names.

FYI: Darlene/IR are a couple using the same account. So you're getting viewpoints from two people instead of one, which may have added to all of this confusion. Live and learn.
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by
Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.


http://www.google.com/search?q=Civil+rights+laws+were+n...do+not+apply+to+them


Thank you! Mary Frances Berry said it; but it is not true. She no longer has a job, either. Thanks for the link, GoFish.


Untrue. Mary Frances Berry has been the Geraldine R. Segal Professor of American Social Thought and Professor of History at the University of Pennsylvania since 1987. Professor Berry teaches the History of American Law, and the History of Law and Social Policy. She also advises students in African American History.
[source: The University of Pennsylvania faculty and staff directory]


Correction: She no longer has her job with the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.
http://apfte.net/Pages/Opinions/Berry/MaryBerry.htm
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel." [quoted from Wikipedia]

"In the United States, the traditional privilege of "fair comment" is seen as a protection for robust, even outrageous published or spoken opinions about public officials and public figures. Fair comment is defined as a "common law defense [that] guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff." [quoted from Wikipedia]

Thanks for the info, Joy. However, interpretation of the law is subjective. I avoid the use of derogatory terms because they could be interpreted as being stated with ill will and spite.


From one (former) journalist to another (aspiring) one let me give you some advice.
#1. check your sources. "I got it off of Wikipedia" isn't going to fly in court of with your editor.

In the various states, whether by case law or actual legislation, there are generally several "privileges" that can get a defamation case dismissed without proceeding to trial. These include the allegedly defamatory statement being one of opinion rather than fact; or being "fair comment and criticism", as it is important to society that everyone be able to comment on matters of public interest. [source: www.findlaw.com]

Self proclaimed racists protesting at the county courthouse is a matter of public interest.

Libel is written. Slander is spoken. Libel and slander are the legal subcategories of defamation. [source: www.findlaw.com]

#2. Again, check your sources. It was me, and not Joy, to whom your comments should have been directed (again).


From one aspiring journalist (and her law enforcement partner) to another former journalist, Wikipedia was used as an easy reference for a point on this public forum. No one intends for this to be used in a legitimate news article or criminal investigation.

This is just a forum. Editing and proofreading aren't required, and nothing on this forum will be used by either of us in a court of law.
I have loved reading this thread now That smart chick is an authority and expert on immigration,the KKK, and heritage, oh and lets not forget the "white-trash cousin loving ignorant rednecks".

Now on to something of more interest,,THE SUBJECT of The Thread.
5 whole pages dedicated to the KKK,I feel sure they are loving the attention. While arguments fly, they relish in the attention.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
It is not "slander" if it is true.

In this case, it is absolutely true that KKK members are generally societal outcasts. Of course, there is the rare exception to this such as David Duke.

My gosh, you are actually supporting a group that is proud of murdering innocent people by hanging people from tree limbs!



*APPLAUDS!!!!* GoFish!!![/QUOTE]

1) What people have been hung from tree limbs? If this is true, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for commiting these crimes? Why have these hangings not been on the national news?
2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.
3) I stated from the very beginning that I do not support the KKK. I said I agree with their views on illegal immigration.
4) Not all illegal immigrants are races other than white; some of these aliens are white Canadian or European. This is not a racial issue. Illegal immigrants are of many different nationalities and races.
5) Agreeing on an issue with anyone, no matter who it is, doesn't mean you support them.

My argument is that you can voice your opinion without resorting to childish name calling. Of course, you can write whatever you want--it is the redneck way, isn't it?[/QUOTE]


My Goodness... YOU need a trip to the HISTORY section of the Library.. obviously you know NOTHING about what has happened in our country under the cruel control of the KKK!!!
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Originally posted by smurph:
I have loved reading this thread now That smart chick is an authority and expert on immigration,the KKK, and heritage, oh and lets not forget the "white-trash cousin loving ignorant rednecks".

Now on to something of more interest,,THE SUBJECT of The Thread.
5 whole pages dedicated to the KKK,I feel sure they are loving the attention. While arguments fly, they relish in the attention.


I am an expert in research, Smurph. It is what I do for a living. I am also an expert in Microsoft Office products including Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, and Visio. I'll claim my expert status where it is due. Why do you feel the need to make unsubstantiated claims about me? If you disagree with one of my posts then say so. Otherwise it seems that catty remarks are all you have to offer to this discussion.
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:

2) Using terms like "stupid, toothless rednecks and societal outcasts" is a generalized statement based on prejudice no matter what group you are referring to.


I don't support the KKK nor do I think they should exist. I do believe we have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't believe their is a place for generalized name calling.

Stupid-
This can be something that can't be helped such as a deformity, a birth defect, a head injury, etc. etc. and to use this word in such a way could show prejudice toward stupid people.

Redneck-

According to Merriam-Webster:
redneck
One entry found for redneck.

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
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I am a redneck. Please don't use this word in a disparaging way such as aimed at the KKK. They don't deserve to be rednecks.


toothless-

many factors are to blame for this condition:

genetics- I have a niece that had a full set of teeth by the time she was sixth months old, the majority of which had to be capped before she was two

accidents- I have a nephew that fell out of the top bunk when his feet were tangled in the sheets. He swung into the bottom bunk and knocked out all of his front teeth.

lack of affordable dental care: let's see, pay the bills and feed the family or go to the dentist?


Do I hate the KKK? yes, as an organization. As individuals? no, but I do pity them and hope they can someday see that their way is Hell's way


YankeeWitch, you've taken the time to explain my points in detail, thank you.

I agree with you on all points except for "hate" and "hell's way." I don't hate, nor do I condemn people to hell. I do realize that you did not condemn the KKK to hell but believe their way "is hell's way"--I know there is a difference.

My religion leaves Supreme Judgement to my God. As noted in previous posts, not everyone on this Forum are Christians; therefore I'm not trying to push my religious beliefs on anyone. I'm agreeing to disagree on the point of hating an organization as everyone has Free Will and may believe whatever they want--even if it is hating an organization because they, too, hate.

To me, hate is hate no matter if it is organized or not.


Well, I totally DETEST the way the KKK controlled everyone in their path, using FEAR as their control... READ The history!!!!! Don't just come on here preaching when you don't even realize that SOME of us are OLD enough to REMEMBER just what they did, and how they did it, their "secret" meetings, their racisms, .... Yes, God WILL judge them!!!! That He will!!!
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone. However, it wasn't a group like the KKK, it was individuals who thought they could dehumanize me by their actions and derogatory words against me. Since then, I have vowed to never use mean, hurtful words against anyone;


Hah! That's funny. You said you were a mix of "Cherokee, German and Irish." Around these parts, that makes you a pretty generic "white person."

It also probably makes you a relative of mine because I am of that exact same makeup.

To say that you have been a victim of racial bias and hatred is simply unbelievable. I call BS on you. I don't think you nor I have any true inkling of what is is like to be hated by so many simply because of the color of our skin.


WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!


GREAT Comment!!!!!


I wouldn't call anyone a liar before knowing the facts. Prejudice exists in all races, but not every one is prejudiced. Prejudices against "whites" and "blacks" thrive in areas like Humbolt Park in Chicago. That is only one example. Largers cities like Miami, Houston, New York, Orlando and others are filled with gangs which spread crimes of hate and violence against both black and white people.

Until you have lived in an areas like these and witnessed the racial hatred of these gangs and even people who are not affiliated with these gangs, you have no clue what it is like.

How would you feel if your daughter, mother, sister or friend were raped by an ethnic group because they think all white women are "stupid white *** *******?" What would you do if someone told you to your face that "we are going to stick it to the white man like he stuck it to the black man." Would you embrace them?

I call BS on you.



Hmmmmmmmmmmm........ sounds so much like what the KKK did back then, guess the gangs learned from them????

It is all sickening, KKK, Gangs, violence, racism... we have to get beyond all that and move forward!!!

And we have to allow God to judge THOSE people, and he will, but that does NOT mean that we have to LIKE any of it, or agree with any of it, or condone any of it!!!
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.



VERY well said!!! And VERY true!!!
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.


So are you saying you support illegal immigration because the KKK opposes it? No thinking, feeling, civilized adult would oppose an issue as serious as illegal immigration because some people associate the issue with the KKK (at least according to posts on this forum.)

Conservative, respectful groups like NumbersUSA are anti-illegal immigration. In your mind, are these conservative groups associated with the KKK, too? Surely you don't think so. You wouldn't if you are a "thinking civilized adult."

Can you explain how the people who protested in Tuscumbia are lynchers and murderers? You seem to be referring to crimes of the past. Are you saying violent crimes are being committed by the persons who protested against illegal immigration in Tuscumbia? From what I read it was a peaceful protest.



Well, I can tell that you READ what you WANT to read into everything said... NO ONE has said what you just replied here!!!

You are a person of ignorance, you are refusing to listen to a word, and you are trying your best to twist and turn everyone on here's replies around to suit YOUR needs... that is disgusting!!!!
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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Originally posted by darlene256:
Sounding off with phrases like "cousin-loving ignorant rednecks" is prejudice and racism just as much as using that same phrase in reference to any other people of a certain race, ethnicity and/or organization based on beliefs. It could be considered slander and libel and may even fall into the category of hate crimes if used with any kind of threat. After all, white is a skin color and is protected by civil rights laws as well (though hardly ever enforced.)


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Originally posted by darlene256:
Believe it or not, I am a college senior majoring in journalism. As a journalist, I use language that is comprehensible to a wide variety of readers; in other words, language which is easily understood. However, I'm not an editor nor do I want that job; therefore my grammar and terminology are not always perfect (especially if I'm writing a comment on a forum.)


I wasn't going to call you on this until you mentioned you are a college senior majoring in journalism. If that is the case you should know that there is no slander in the written form. Only libel. Under the Fair Comment Standard (in case they haven't covered that in your journalism classes yet, that is where the defendant shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff) none of the comments on this board regarding the klan could be taken as libel. If they had been spoken they couldn't be taken as slander. As for whites being protected because of the color of their skin, again ~ you are wrong. Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them (that was stated outright by US Commission on Civil Rights Chairman, Mary Frances Berry). I'd think a senior journalism major at any college would know that.


You are correct, Joy. I have not studied the Fair Comment Standard. I will ask my professors to explain this to me and how it relates to journalism. Are you a journalist, too?

You are incorrect about civil rights laws; these laws protect people of any race, color, religion, age, disability and now sexual preference. It would be discrimination if the white race is not protected by the same laws as everyone else legally residing in the U.S.

According to the FBI, a crime is considered a hate crime if it was commited because of a person's race, religion, etc. An example would be the church burnings which took place in Alabama. These crimes were investigated by the FBI because they were thought to be hate crimes against the religions of both white and black people.

Can you provide me with a weblink which has Mary Frances Berry quoted as saying that civil rights do not apply to the white race? I would really like to read that. Civil rights laws are for the protection of everyone; otherwise they would be unconstitutional. If Mary Frances Berry truly said this, she should be reprimanded.



The "HATE CRIME" laws have not been in effect very long, it does apply to everyone who is a victim of HATE...

The Civil rights laws are very different!!
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel." [quoted from Wikipedia]

"In the United States, the traditional privilege of "fair comment" is seen as a protection for robust, even outrageous published or spoken opinions about public officials and public figures. Fair comment is defined as a "common law defense [that] guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff." [quoted from Wikipedia]

Thanks for the info, Joy. However, interpretation of the law is subjective. I avoid the use of derogatory terms because they could be interpreted as being stated with ill will and spite.



Are you implying that we are all going to be sued for telling the TRUTH about the KKK??? Hmmmmmmm, interesting... or else you are great at copy/paste!
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Darlene/IR, the post you are responding to is from smart chick, not Joy.


I apologize Joy. I'm typing on a small laptop and the screen moves when I click on reply which results in my inaccurate use of screen names.

FYI: Darlene/IR are a couple using the same account. So you're getting viewpoints from two people instead of one, which may have added to all of this confusion. Live and learn.


Confused Confused Confused
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.


So are you saying you support illegal immigration because the KKK opposes it? No thinking, feeling, civilized adult would oppose an issue as serious as illegal immigration because some people associate the issue with the KKK (at least according to posts on this forum.)

Conservative, respectful groups like NumbersUSA are anti-illegal immigration. In your mind, are these conservative groups associated with the KKK, too? Surely you don't think so. You wouldn't if you are a "thinking civilized adult."

Can you explain how the people who protested in Tuscumbia are lynchers and murderers? You seem to be referring to crimes of the past. Are you saying violent crimes are being committed by the persons who protested against illegal immigration in Tuscumbia? From what I read it was a peaceful protest.

No, I do not support anything that is illegal. Everyone on this post has tried to make you understand. The KKK protest had nothing to do with illigal immigration. If it did, all illegal immigration would be an issue. Yet, there has still been no mention of anyone other than blacks and Hispanics. The KKK has a long history of HATING black people, just because they are black. No, it is not my job to fight illegal immigration. I do feel like we have room for improvement in our government, but I will take the government any day, with all of its short-commings, over the KKK!!! The KKK has never been the answer to anything, so why would we want to look to them now, to solve any issue? Nor, has HATE been productive!! Nor, has ignorance ever helped!!! KKK, HATE, ignorance, seems to be one-and-the-same to me. I have given the Grand Kludd ample opportunity to show me differently. So far, they have no answers. Neither do you.


Well, I can tell that you READ what you WANT to read into everything said... NO ONE has said what you just replied here!!!

You are a person of ignorance, you are refusing to listen to a word, and you are trying your best to twist and turn everyone on here's replies around to suit YOUR needs... that is disgusting!!!!
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by ImmigrationReformist:
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Originally posted by gypsyc:
They have been and are being prosecuted. Some, has taken many years, because, the cowards were hiding under sheets. There have been cold cases, going back decades, solved in recent years. Now, their argument is that they are too old and sick, unable to serve time.

Regardless of what the name is, once it has been associated with the KKK, it is then made derogatory. No thinking, feeling, civilized adult wants to be connected in any way.


So are you saying you support illegal immigration because the KKK opposes it? No thinking, feeling, civilized adult would oppose an issue as serious as illegal immigration because some people associate the issue with the KKK (at least according to posts on this forum.)

Conservative, respectful groups like NumbersUSA are anti-illegal immigration. In your mind, are these conservative groups associated with the KKK, too? Surely you don't think so. You wouldn't if you are a "thinking civilized adult."

Can you explain how the people who protested in Tuscumbia are lynchers and murderers? You seem to be referring to crimes of the past. Are you saying violent crimes are being committed by the persons who protested against illegal immigration in Tuscumbia? From what I read it was a peaceful protest.


No, I do not support anything that is illegal. Everyone on this post has tried to make you understand. The KKK protest had nothing to do with illigal immigration. If it did, all illegal immigration would be an issue. Yet, there has still been no mention of anyone other than blacks and Hispanics. The KKK has a long history of HATING black people, just because they are black. No, it is not my job to fight illegal immigration. I do feel like we have room for improvement in our government, but I will take the government any day, with all of its short-commings, over the KKK!!! The KKK has never been the answer to anything, so why would we want to look to them now, to solve any issue? Nor, has HATE been productive!! Nor, has ignorance ever helped!!! KKK, HATE, ignorance, seems to be one-and-the-same to me. I have given the Grand Kludd ample opportunity to show me differently. So far, they have no answers. Neither do you.


Well, I can tell that you READ what you WANT to read into everything said... NO ONE has said what you just replied here!!!

You are a person of ignorance, you are refusing to listen to a word, and you are trying your best to twist and turn everyone on here's replies around to suit YOUR needs... that is disgusting!!!!



gypsyc, I hope you don't think this comment of mine was meant for you, it wasn't, it was meant for ImmigrationReformist... ..

Is that why you copied it without replying to it??

Never would I say something like that to you, you have been a huge voice of reason on these posts... but ImmigrationR sure hasn't, and I was commenting that to HIM.




DUH me! lol, nevermind, I saw what you wrote to the same reply that I was also replying to!!! sorry!!!

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