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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by tinabeth:
I thought I had heard that this was part Barton Baptist and part Parkview but not really sure.


Parkview on Hwy. 72? If it is, did they have a split?


I think Parkview split from Westside Baptist back in the nineties. I think they are saying that Parkview and Barton Baptist both support this church. I may be wrong on this.
Hey...I go to Launch Point Church and might be able to share some info on our history.

Launch Point Church had its first official service on Easter 2009. It is pastored by Shane Swinney. Shane was the youth pastor at First Baptist Barton. The worship leader is Archie Hubbard. Archie was the worship leader at Parkview and was at Barton before that. Our youth pastor is Mike Noles...from Highland Park Baptist.

We meet for "gatherings" Sundays inside the Ritz @ 10:30 a.m. It is a really, really casual atmosphere. We offer FREE donuts, coffee, and juices before the service across the street from the Ritz in our coffee shop.

All are invited!!!
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.


I'm gonna bet there's a hole in him somewhere.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.


I'm gonna bet there's a hole in him somewhere.


I'm gonna bet the same about you. Nobody's perfect. Well, there was that ONE GUY!

I've gone to Parkview since I got out of the Navy in 2007, so I was there when Archie came and went. Archie is an awesome guy/singer/songwriter/musician/Christian (not necessarily in that order) and I hated to see him go. He had to do what he felt led to do and, coupled with the attitudes of some older members of the congregation, Archie felt led to go somewhere else.
No, there was no split at Parkview. Yes, Parkview has been around since the early to mid 90's and the building was, at one point, for sale and over a million dollars in debt. Things have changed, mostly for the better. Brother Jim Cummings preaches the Word of God and doesn't care if someone's toes get stepped on. Plus, we are blessed to have Dr. Bob Pitman as a member, although he's on the road quite a bit as a "wandering prophet" (his words). I love that guy.
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Originally posted by Tomme73:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.


I'm gonna bet there's a hole in him somewhere.


I'm gonna bet the same about you. Nobody's perfect. Well, there was that ONE GUY!

I've gone to Parkview since I got out of the Navy in 2007, so I was there when Archie came and went. Archie is an awesome guy/singer/songwriter/musician/Christian (not necessarily in that order) and I hated to see him go. He had to do what he felt led to do and, coupled with the attitudes of some older members of the congregation, Archie felt led to go somewhere else.
No, there was no split at Parkview. Yes, Parkview has been around since the early to mid 90's and the building was, at one point, for sale and over a million dollars in debt. Things have changed, mostly for the better. Brother Jim Cummings preaches the Word of God and doesn't care if someone's toes get stepped on. Plus, we are blessed to have Dr. Bob Pitman as a member, although he's on the road quite a bit as a "wandering prophet" (his words). I love that guy.


To turn the conversation a bit, reading this stuff about the Brother Shane gave me the shivers. Don't take it personally Peter, I appreciate your reverence for the guy, but this sort of illustrates the main criticism that i have with most churches in my denomination (COC). That is, they have become preacher-centric, which can be illustrated by how the members discuss and treat the preacher. I have a great church home and I'm very happy there, but it has taken years of searching to find a place that is not centered around the preacher or the sermons.

I really don't intend to ever be in a church again where the preacher is exalted as if he were some sort of priest or prophet again. Not criticizing Launch Point, although it may sound like it, I'm speaking generally about the church world that I see (southern US evangelical).
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
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Originally posted by Tomme73:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.


I'm gonna bet there's a hole in him somewhere.


I'm gonna bet the same about you. Nobody's perfect. Well, there was that ONE GUY!

I've gone to Parkview since I got out of the Navy in 2007, so I was there when Archie came and went. Archie is an awesome guy/singer/songwriter/musician/Christian (not necessarily in that order) and I hated to see him go. He had to do what he felt led to do and, coupled with the attitudes of some older members of the congregation, Archie felt led to go somewhere else.
No, there was no split at Parkview. Yes, Parkview has been around since the early to mid 90's and the building was, at one point, for sale and over a million dollars in debt. Things have changed, mostly for the better. Brother Jim Cummings preaches the Word of God and doesn't care if someone's toes get stepped on. Plus, we are blessed to have Dr. Bob Pitman as a member, although he's on the road quite a bit as a "wandering prophet" (his words). I love that guy.


To turn the conversation a bit, reading this stuff about the Brother Shane gave me the shivers. Don't take it personally Peter, I appreciate your reverence for the guy, but this sort of illustrates the main criticism that i have with most churches in my denomination (COC). That is, they have become preacher-centric, which can be illustrated by how the members discuss and treat the preacher. I have a great church home and I'm very happy there, but it has taken years of searching to find a place that is not centered around the preacher or the sermons.

I really don't intend to ever be in a church again where the preacher is exalted as if he were some sort of priest or prophet again. Not criticizing Launch Point, although it may sound like it, I'm speaking generally about the church world that I see (southern US evangelical).


He's your brother? Don't take fellowship seriously do you?
Hi all,

Just a suggestion: Instead of praising or burying this pastor and this church -- why not visit them for a service and see first hand what they teach and how they worship.

At least then your praise or lack of praise will be justified from personal experience -- instead of just knocking the church out of a knee jerk reaction.

Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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LOL!!!
That's my problem with "Christians".. making an idiotic judgement based on ZERO facts. I do not attend his church, but I know the man personally and have for 16 years. Some blurb you read on a website gives you ZERO insight on what Bro Shane is about. People talk extremely highly of Bro Shane, that's because they respect his passion for the Lord... I wish I had an ounce of the fire for Christ he has. So yeah, to in anyway degrade him without any first hand knowledge is offensive. He has more integrity in his pinky toe nail than 90% of the men on this planet have in their entire body. Never does he take credit, only thanks God that he can be used to deliver a messge that helps folks find their way to Him. Only God gets glorified in Shane's heart.
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He's your brother? Don't take fellowship seriously do you?

Hi Tru,

In the Christian faith, we call all fellow Christian believers our brother or sister -- for we truly are in the same family -- the Family of God.

Over and over in the Bible we see the apostles and disciples, in their writings, calling others "brethren." This is the same as calling them "my brother in Christ" or "my sister in Christ."

Go to http://www.blueletterbible.org and search for "brethren" and you will find many instances.

Tru, are you our "brethren"? If so, you should have understood what Peter meant when he said Brother Shane.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
In the Christian faith, we call all fellow Christian believers our brother or sister -- for we truly are in the same family -- the Family of God.

Ah, yes, indeed. And you used that arguement (sic) the other way when trying to say that Mary had other children. I told you brother could have many meanings. Remember?

Hi VP,

Good logic. You have just proven that Mary was not really the mother of the Human Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:46-50, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."

So, using your logic, that when the disciples told Jesus Christ, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside. . ." -- that did not really mean His true mother and brothers -- but, instead, meant His spiritual mother and brothers; just as I refer to another Christian as my Christian brother or Christian sister.

This means that, by your logic -- that Mary did not give birth to Jesus Christ. So, I guess that means that Mary was not even as blessed as we have been led to believe. She is not the mother of Jesus -- and her sons and daughters are not the siblings of Jesus.

Wow! Thank you, VP, for making this clear to all of us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I'm enjoying the discussion!

As a member of Launch Point, I believe that one of the things our leadership team and church tries to restrain from happening is to promote the pastor position to be somewhat of a CEO type position. I'm sure we've all seen a congregation destroyed due to the fall of one person. After all, pastors are really imperfect people just like all of us...which is a totally separate discussion.

Shane, our pastor, is far from the CEO type anyway Smiler He's just a normal guy that has a call to teach. Because we "build" our church each Sunday and "tear down" our church after the service because we rent a theater, I can tell you that Shane is one of the hardest working people there sweating like the rest of us.

I personally love that he also has a "real job" in addition to his role at the church. That in itself says a lot about what kind of guy he is to me.

...enough about Shane.

The LPC church model is really simple and built around 3 things:

1. Gatherings (a time where we all come together with an equal emphasis on worship and teaching)
2. Life Groups (very important to come together in smaller groups very similar to what happened in the early church and spend time together in fellowship and the word)
3. SEO (Servant Evangelism Opportunities) This is what we were doing when helping the UNA students move into the dorms as mentioned in the Times Daily story. We also stand at intersections on hot days and pass out FREE water and drinks, hang FREE light bulbs on doors, give away FREE breakfast to those waiting in line outside of retailers on the day after Thanksgiving sales, etc. with the SEO activities.

We'll be at the Ritz Theater in Sheffield again on Sunday @ 10:30 am. Y'all come!
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Bro. Bill,

Do you believe Mary was the mother of someone?
If so; whom?

Hi Buffalo,

The Virgin Mary was indeed so blessed to have been chosen to carry and birth the Human Nature of our Lord Jesus Christ. She is His human mother.

Then, based upon Biblical teaching, she had more sons and daughters -- who are named in the Bible.

At His crucifixion, He turned the earthy care of her over to His devoted disciple. Then, His Human Nature died on the cross, was buried, and in three days was resurrected in His glorified, divine body.

At His incarnation, He lay aside some of His divine nature so that He would be able to be like His brethren -- we human beings -- and be able to be our "once for all" sacrifice to satisfy the perfect justice of God the Father.

Mary obviously went into the household of His disciple where we must assume that she lived until she died. We are not told when she died or where. But, since Jesus left her in the care of His disciple; we must assume it was in his household that she died.

Again, we are not told this in the Bible; but, we have to assume that she was buried like all people who die -- and, being a Christian believer, when her body went into the grave, her spirit went directly into heaven. She is in heaven today, along with billions of other saints, awaiting the Rapture when she and all saints, alive and dead, will receive our glorified bodies.

Yes, Buffalo, Mary is the mother of the Human Jesus Christ. But, she is not the Mother of God, she is not the Queen of Heaven, she is NOT the Co-Redeemer of mankind. She is just another very blessed saint waiting for the Rapture, His Second Coming, His Millennial Kingdom, and eternity in the presence of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
In the Christian faith, we call all fellow Christian believers our brother or sister -- for we truly are in the same family -- the Family of God.

Ah, yes, indeed. And you used that arguement (sic) the other way when trying to say that Mary had other children. I told you brother could have many meanings. Remember?

Hi VP,

Good logic. You have just proven that Mary was not really the mother of the Human Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:46-50, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."

So, using your logic, that when the disciples told Jesus Christ, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside. . ." -- that did not really mean His true mother and brothers -- but, instead, meant His spiritual mother and brothers; just as I refer to another Christian as my Christian brother or Christian sister.

This means that, by your logic -- that Mary did not give birth to Jesus Christ. So, I guess that means that Mary was not even as blessed as we have been led to believe. She is not the mother of Jesus -- and her sons and daughters are not the siblings of Jesus.

Wow! Thank you, VP, for making this clear to all of us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Wow, Bill. Your half Clavin/half Arminian slip is showing. You've even confused yourself.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Brother Shane is a GREAT MAN OF GOD!! I love that guy. If you get your feelings hurt easily, don't go to one of his sermons. He tells it like it is based on the Word of God. If you get your toes stepped on during a sermon, then he is talkin to you!! lol
Awesome man though...just awesome. There are not enough good adjectives to describe him, and if you are seeking a church home I urge you to attend one of his services.


Nothing wrong in respecting a man of God but be careful that you don't put him high on a pedestal.
It can come falling down all around you.
We've not defined ourselves as a denomination.

From the LPC website..."Launch Point Church is a community of followers of Jesus Christ, devoted to loving and serving the people of the Shoals area in Alabama and ultimately the world by being like Christ."

I'd have to say though that most people there have a Baptist background though so it probably leans more Baptist than anything.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
In the Christian faith, we call all fellow Christian believers our brother or sister -- for we truly are in the same family -- the Family of God.

Ah, yes, indeed. And you used that arguement (sic) the other way when trying to say that Mary had other children. I told you brother could have many meanings. Remember?

Hi VP,

Good logic. You have just proven that Mary was not really the mother of the Human Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:46-50, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."

So, using your logic, that when the disciples told Jesus Christ, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside. . ." -- that did not really mean His true mother and brothers -- but, instead, meant His spiritual mother and brothers; just as I refer to another Christian as my Christian brother or Christian sister.

This means that, by your logic -- that Mary did not give birth to Jesus Christ. So, I guess that means that Mary was not even as blessed as we have been led to believe. She is not the mother of Jesus -- and her sons and daughters are not the siblings of Jesus.

Wow! Thank you, VP, for making this clear to all of us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Wow, Bill. Your half Clavin/half Arminian slip is showing. You've even confused yourself.


Crusty,
Have you lost your ability to recognize sarcasm?
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Good logic. You have just proven that Mary was not really the mother of the Human Jesus Christ.


OH, for crying out loud, you are truly off your rocker.
It's not good form to use sarcasm when discussing God's Word, Bill. Someone may misunderstand. I suggest clear and concise statements, with no underlying jabs and sarcastic tones. Usually a more effective method of communicating an idea.
And there is never a time in which I have/will or ever would state that Jesus is not Born of theBlessed Virgin Mary. Queen of Heaven, Mother of God.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

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