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This booking photo released by the Mercer County Prosecutor's Office shows Marcus Hubbard. Hubbard, who can't use his arms because of a spinal condition, is jailed while facing a gun possession charge his lawyer calls shocking. Authorities say he and three other men were in a car in which a stolen handgun and a prescription bottle of codeine were found. All four men were charged after none of them took responsibility for the items. [AP Photo/Mercer County Prosecutor's Office, via The Trentonian) TRENTON TIMES OUT; PHILLY METRO OUT
 This booking photo released by the Mercer County Prosecutor's Office shows Marcus Hubbard. Hubbard, …

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A man who can't use his arms because of a spinal condition is being held in jail while facing a gun possession charge his lawyer calls shocking.

 

Bail was lowered Tuesday for Marcus Hubbard, who has been jailed since his arrest in Trenton in August.

Defense lawyer Caroline Turner said the case against Hubbard, who injured his spine in a car accident and may have Lou Gehrig's disease, "shocks the conscience."

"How could (he be) held for four months on a gun charge?" Turner said during the bail hearing. "He cannot move his arms. They are useless to him."

Hubbard, who's from Salem, has been hospitalized in protective custody since his arrest, The Times newspaper reported (http://bit.ly/1Gr2SKz ). He wore a back brace in court on Tuesday and had difficulty standing, the newspaper said.

Authorities say Hubbard and three other men were in a car that ran a red light in Trenton and was pulled over. They say inside the car police officers found a stolen handgun in a seatback pocket and a prescription bottle of codeine. All four men were charged after none of them took responsibility for the items.

A state judge agreed during Tuesday's hearing to lower Hubbard's bail from $100,000 to $35,000. But Turner said she'll continue her efforts to have Hubbard freed without bail.

Police said the gun was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska. Turner said the other men arrested in the car with Hubbard told police it didn't belong to him and he shouldn't be charged.

Prosecutors acknowledged Hubbard has no use of his hands but said he still could be guilty of a crime.

Turner said prosecutors are misstating constructive possession laws, which allow charges for someone who isn't possessing an item but can and intends to exert control over it himself or through other people, The Times reported.

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Information from: The (Trenton, N.J.) Times, http://www.nj.com/times


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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So, if you have some affliction that prevents you from being perfectly normal, you should just stay at home? 

 

Who suggested that?

 

Apparently you! Earlier you posted:

Old Faithful
 
5 hours ago

 Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not.

 

So, according to your post, since he can't use his hands he shouldn't be out riding around.

 

From the article:

 They say inside the car police officers found a stolen handgun in a seatback pocket and a prescription bottle of codeine. All four men were charged after none of them took responsibility for the items.

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I don't know how many, or if all states, have this law, but I couldn't count all the times I've heard of it/saw it being used. Something illegal happens, there could be 15 people in the car, no one claims responsibility, they all take the fall. Now, no one would/did suggest he shouldn't be in the car, so why would he be exempt from the LAW? Who is to say he didn't buy, procure, the gun and the drugs?

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So, if you have some affliction that prevents you from being perfectly normal, you should just stay at home? 

 

Who suggested that?

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YOU DID!  You posted this asininity:

 

"Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not."

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

From the article:

 They say inside the car police officers found a stolen handgun in a seatback pocket and a prescription bottle of codeine. All four men were charged after none of them took responsibility for the items.

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I don't know how many, or if all states, have this law, but I couldn't count all the times I've heard of it/saw it being used. Something illegal happens, there could be 15 people in the car, no one claims responsibility, they all take the fall. Now, no one would/did suggest he shouldn't be in the car, so why would he be exempt from the LAW? Who is to say he didn't buy, procure, the gun and the drugs?

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To support your guilty until proven innocent way of deranged thinking, you seem always to speculate on the possibilities, however remote, that might serve your biases, Best. Shameful!

 

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So, if you have some affliction that prevents you from being perfectly normal, you should just stay at home? 

 

Who suggested that?

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YOU DID!  You posted this asininity:

 

"Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not."

 Read it again genius. He can't use his arms, he's not dead. He can do other things, he can break the law. Got it???

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So, if you have some affliction that prevents you from being perfectly normal, you should just stay at home? 

 

Who suggested that?

 ____

YOU DID!  You posted this asininity:

 

"Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not."

 Read it again genius. He can't use his arms, he's not dead. He can do other things, he can break the law. Got it???

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Which is your deflection to avoid having to acknowledge that it was YOU who posted the asinine and callous question, to wit:  

 

"Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not."

 

 

Getting back to the initial post. Just a few things that stick out in the story that make it seem excessive to me. Such as

 

"How could (he be) held for four months on a gun charge?" Turner said during the bail hearing. "He cannot move his arms. They are useless to him."

Hubbard, who's from Salem, has been hospitalized in protective custody since his arrest,

 

And

 

Police said the gun was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska. Turner said the other men arrested in the car with Hubbard told police it didn't belong to him and he shouldn't be charged.

 

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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Anyone asking why is he out riding around if he can't use his hands? Of course not.

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That statement was caused by me or some other Dem or Lib. Surely Best would not issue an unintelligent post.

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What was wrong with the post slick? As stated, no one would argue he shouldn't be out just because of his, affliction as crusty put it, so why argue he shouldn't be charged with the rest of them under that law? People don't want special treatment until they want special treatment. And again, nothing to say he didn't buy the gun.

Police said the gun was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska. Turner said the other men arrested in the car with Hubbard told police it didn't belong to him and he shouldn't be charged.

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There are thousands of cases where people go to jail because they are with someone that has broken the law, and as the article stated, no one will take the blame so they all go. Actually it's a pretty good law. And I have seen some step up and claim the drugs or whatever, and the rest of the people weren't charged. There are cases where someone takes the blame for a friend, (then sometimes claim that's all they did, but they were really innocent). His luck, his pals weren't such stand up guys. Saying he didn't do anything means nothing, the guilty one/ones admitting to it is what would help him. Why don't people talk about THAT, what his pals did to him, how crappy they were to the man, instead of vilifying the police for doing their jobs?

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Police said the gun was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska. Turner said the other men arrested in the car with Hubbard told police it didn't belong to him and he shouldn't be charged.

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There are thousands of cases where people go to jail because they are with someone that has broken the law, and as the article stated, no one will take the blame so they all go. Actually it's a pretty good law. And I have seen some step up and claim the drugs or whatever, and the rest of the people weren't charged. There are cases where someone takes the blame for a friend, (then sometimes claim that's all they did, but they were really innocent). His luck, his pals weren't such stand up guys. Saying he didn't do anything means nothing, the guilty one/ones admitting to it is what would help him. Why don't people talk about THAT, what his pals did to him, how crappy they were to the man, instead of vilifying the police for doing their jobs?

 

Yup. I've watched enough Cops to have seen this in action many times. 

 
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Police said the gun was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska. Turner said the other men arrested in the car with Hubbard told police it didn't belong to him and he shouldn't be charged.

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There are thousands of cases where people go to jail because they are with someone that has broken the law, and as the article stated, no one will take the blame so they all go. Actually it's a pretty good law. And I have seen some step up and claim the drugs or whatever, and the rest of the people weren't charged. There are cases where someone takes the blame for a friend, (then sometimes claim that's all they did, but they were really innocent). His luck, his pals weren't such stand up guys. Saying he didn't do anything means nothing, the guilty one/ones admitting to it is what would help him. Why don't people talk about THAT, what his pals did to him, how crappy they were to the man, instead of vilifying the police for doing their jobs?

 

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The hand of one is the hand of all

 

http://definitions.uslegal.com...-hand-of-all-theory/

 

 

Even applies to those to those with no hands.

 

The irony of it makes me smile.

 

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Thanks for the link to the law. Doesn't he have hands, just supposedly he doesn't have the use of his arms? Who knows how true that is. It's telling that none of them has offered an answer to my questions.

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As stated, no one would argue he shouldn't be out just because of his, affliction as crusty put it, so why argue he shouldn't be charged with the rest of them under that law?

 

 

His luck, his pals weren't such stand up guys. Saying he didn't do anything means nothing, the guilty one/ones admitting to it is what would help him. Why don't people talk about THAT, what his pals did to him, how crappy they were to the man, instead of vilifying the police for doing their jobs?

 

And what is there to say he didn't buy the gun and or drugs?

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Thanks for the link to the law. Doesn't he have hands, just supposedly he doesn't have the use of his arms? Who knows how true that is. It's telling that none of them has offered an answer to my questions.

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As stated, no one would argue he shouldn't be out just because of his, affliction as crusty put it, so why argue he shouldn't be charged with the rest of them under that law?

 

 

His luck, his pals weren't such stand up guys. Saying he didn't do anything means nothing, the guilty one/ones admitting to it is what would help him. Why don't people talk about THAT, what his pals did to him, how crappy they were to the man, instead of vilifying the police for doing their jobs?

 

And what is there to say he didn't buy the gun and or drugs?

 

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Limited use far as I know.  I was just being more inclusive.

 

But hands +  would not impede him from participating in the crime[s] including orchestrating them.  There's probably a good reason why his buddies didn't bail him out. 

 
Originally Posted by budsfarm: 

Where are my manners?

 

Best: Trying again ...

 

Where are my manners?

 

Best:  "Thanks for the link to the law."

 

Your more than welcome.  Thank you for knowing the law without a link to it.  I'm impressed.

 

The link was easy.  "The hand of one" was one of the laws that we were weaned on and a real pleasure to enforce.  The link was just the first one that my google offered so easy does as easy is.

 

Imagine this:  you stop a car full of nere [sic]-do-wells and in amongst them all is the ill-gotten proceeds of criminal activity.  Previously, the occupants would all chime in "Man, I ain't seen chit" and the cops [I prefer LEOs but I have learned to embrace what I'd previously considered the derogatory term as a bytchslap towards those who use it derogatorily] with no other choice put the onus on the driver of the vehicle as being the one responsible for all the passengers and contents of said vehicle.  Patently unfair, we all agree, but such as it was.

 

But with the "the hand of one" we were able to extricate all occupants of the vehicle and charge them all.  Our "harassment quota" soared!

 

Following the unwritten rule of compliance ~ Ask them.  Tell them.  Make them ~ Our prayers were sometimes answered when those resisted to our reasonable request.  Not as technically advanced with stand-off weapons such as tasers, etc as LEOs have now, our response to resistance was proffered with K-Lights and PR-24s.

 

"Oh, the joy" as Sgt. Ordway on the "Voyage of Discovery" would proclaim upon completion of the Lewis & Clark expedition.





 

Update:    http://news.yahoo.com/man-with...eased-222340270.html

 

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A man who can't use his arms because of a spinal condition and faces a gun possession charge was released from jail without having to pay bail on Friday.

 

Marcus Hubbard had been jailed since his arrest in Trenton in August. His bail was lowered on Tuesday from $100,000 to $35,000, but The Times newspaper (http://bit.ly/1DScEHL  reported he was released without bail on Friday morning.

Hubbard's attorney, Caroline Turner, said she was delighted by the judge's decision and would fight for all charges against him to be dismissed.

Turner had said at Tuesday's bail hearing that the case against Hubbard, who injured his spine in a car accident and may have Lou Gehrig's disease, "shocks the conscience."

"How could (he be) held for four months on a gun charge?" Turner said during the hearing. "He cannot move his arms. They are useless to him."

Hubbard, who's from Salem, had been hospitalized in protective custody since his arrest, at a cost of at least $60,000.

Authorities say Hubbard and three other men were in a car that ran a red light in Trenton and was pulled over. They say inside the car police officers found a stolen handgun in a seatback pocket and a prescription bottle of codeine.

All four men were charged after none of them took responsibility for the pill bottle and the gun, which was stolen from Anchorage, Alaska.

Prosecutors acknowledged Hubbard has no use of his hands but said he still could be guilty of a crime.

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