manslaughter in faith-healing trial

Poor baby......with underdeveloped lungs it hurts me to think how long this sweet baby probably struggled to breathe before dying. Those parents need life in prison!

I know Semi, it is so sad and disgusting. I am glad that the they overturned the Religious Exemption law so that no one can get away with this kind of thing again and not be punished.

People who believe in a God this strongly are completely stupid. They should take away their other children before they let them die of something that modern medicine could fix.

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True, & when they lose a child because of medical neglect they say it was "God's will" that the child died.

People like that don't need children. Let them kill their self by withholding medical care.

I'll bet that these parents were "pro life".

Jimi, are you betting that the people on this forum that think this was horrible for the parents to deny medical care for this infant (and yes I do) are pro-abortion?

When I first saw this reported it had their pictures. She was wearing glasses. Now if they don't believe in doctors shouldn't that mean ALL doctors? Mama gets glasses but baby gets to die, Someone posted that at trial she didn't have the glasses, her lawyer got her contacts. I guess he was afraid others would ask why she gets medical help, glasses, but denies it to her children. I did see another picture of her without them.

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This is ridiculous and the parents deserve what judgement they receive.

People/parents have got to stop playing God.

The world has enough trouble with secular serial or recreational killers.

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I took that to refer to how strongly many feel about not allowing anyone to have an abortion and how much of a sin that is to them, but once a baby is born it seems for some people that the whole philosophy of protecting the child is tossed out. That is horrible that a baby is made to suffer and die when treatment could make a difference, but the irony is that often groups with strong anti-intervention beliefs also preach how sinful abortion is.  It is sad and makes no sense to me personally.  I didn't personally take it to mean anything but that.

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Were the Mayes anti abortion? I would like to see a number of the people

like the Mayes compared to the everyday people who stab, beat, starve

toss babies everyday. The Mayes are misguided,but to drag abortion to

the table to cover all crimes against chrildern?????

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No and where did you get that idea. My statement was about them. It had nothing to do with anyone else. Feeling a little guilty yourself? Don't run when no one is chasing you.

I guess God said "no" to their prayers.  I wonder why.

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First who are the Mayes?

The people in this story are more than misguided. They are stupid or evil. Either way their child is dead due to their belief in religion. I agree that being religious they are more than likely anti-abortion, and as frog said many religious people such as the Hickmans would argue against abortion, yet let a child born die unnecessarily. Makes no sense at all.

Here is a few more of those "everyday people"

Carl and Raylene Worthington were indicted Friday on charges of manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter Ava. They belong to the Followers of Christ Church, whose members have a history of treating gravely ill children only with prayer.

Ava died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection. The state medical examiner’s office has said she could have been treated with antibiotics.

Grand Junction -- Charges have been filed against the parents of a 13-year-old girl who died from a common infection that turned into gangrene after her parents opted to treat her with prayer but not medicine.

Randy and Colleen Bates, members of the General Assembly Church of the First Born, were issued summonses Friday on charges of criminally negligent homicide, reckless manslaughter, reckless child abuse resulting in death, and criminally negligent child abuse resulting in death.

Church of the First Born members believe there is a biblical injunction against medical treatment. They treat illnesses and injuries with prayer.

WAUSAU, Wis. —  A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.

Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed.

Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.

Once again, these are crazy people. If their craziness had not manifested itself in this way, it would have been in a different way, but because it was their misguided religious beliefs that led to their children's deaths, you blame it on religion.

That's would be like some idiot leaving their kid locked in a hot car while they go shopping, and when the kid dies, you blame it on the MALL. It wasn't the strong, irresistable draw of the mall that caused it, but the negligence of the parents.

Or how about the eight-year -old who was killed last year in Massachusetts, when his father and the rifle range instructor both agreed that this eight-year-old was strong enough to shoot a powerful automatic weapon? Remember that? The gun flipped in his hands and blew his head off. Was that the fault of the GUN MANUFACTURER? No! It was negligence on the part of both the father and the instructor!

These deaths you list are due to negligence, not to religion. MOST Christians believe that a doctor's skill is one of the many gifts God has given us, and although we do pray when a loved one is sick, that prayer more often than not is a prayer that He will guide the doctor's hands and mind.

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What I'm saying is billions and billions of chrildren are raised by religious

people, most atheist are raised by religious parents. And all is well.

The Mayes may be both evil and stupid but where is the sympathy for

the babies killed by the boy friends because it cried too much or

all the other reasons that any ******* that kills a child.

I'm sure not saying anything for the Mayes, but here we go for a

another five day and six nights of "religion kills baby".

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The only and main reason all these examples did not seek medical help for their children was religion. You guys can try and deflect and bring up all the other stories of childrens death you want to. Does not change the topic of this discussion. Not just one, but there have been many in Oregon alone that have allowed their children to die like this. They all cry that it was their religion. Who are you two to decide otherwise? I have not said that your religion is like this. I said religion in general. And in this case it is true. Like it or not. I do agree with you O No. These people are more than likely crazy. So are the millions of others that believe in this BS so strongly that they think God will save their child by praying about it. Anyone who would not seek medical help and instead trust in something with nothing more than a fairy tale book to go on have to be crazy, delusional at best.

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Yeah DA, but if the person who let their kid die in a hot car while they went to the mall is an atheist, I reserve the right to blame their atheism for the child's death. After all, they should have been in church instead of at the mall.

That was a joke, by the way.

But seriously, we have had this discussion in various different forms dozens of times here. I think this one is number 6 on the list of repeated discussions.

There are lots of crazy people in the world who do terrible things in the name of their craziness. Some are Christian, some are atheist, some are Muslim, some are Republican, some are Democrats, some are Green Party. Some are Boy Scouts, some are 4Hers. Some are men and some are women.

Lorena Bobbit claims she committed her infamous act because she was a woman who had been cheated on. Was that REALLY the reason? If it were, there would be a LOT more men in this world sitting down when they have to go. But actually her mental instability caused her to do what she did.

No matter WHAT the stated reason for all of these horrible acts, the REAL reason is insanity. Heck, there have been instances of people doing crazy things because their horiscope told them to. Does that mean horiscopes are evil? No, it just means that some people are so unbalanced that they hear voices and see signs in everything. The horiscope didn't cause them to be insane, but their insanity caused them to think the horiscope told them to kill.

Jared Loughner shot a bunch of people because he thought, well, I'm not sure WHAT he thought, but you get my point. Crazy is crazy, and to blame it on anything else is, well, crazy.

"No and where did you get that idea. My statement was about them. It had nothing to do with anyone else. Feeling a little guilty yourself? Don't run when no one is chasing you."

Not feeling guilty at all.  Once again you posted an idiotic post refering to your betting that this couple were "pro-life".  Their view, whether pro-life or pro-abortion has nothing to do with their crime of failing as parents and as human beings.  Do you feel guilty about stirring the pot with betting on their stance of that issue? 

Since you failed to see the point I was trying to make I will try to make it simpler so that you might grasp it.  Simply because those of us that had posted our view that these parents were wrong did not automatically denote our view on pro-life or pro-abortion.  No you just seem to enjoy posting your idiotic and hateful posts concerning anything that has to do with religion.  You come across as a very bitter person that deems anyone with a view different than yours as being idiots.  Doesn't speak highly of your intelligence. Or then again maybe it does say alot about your intelligence.