MIT Climate Scientist: Global Warming Believers a ‘Cult’

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Congratulations Stanky.  You receive today's Stop Making Sense Award. 

Here's one for local (NW Al &SC Tn) people. It used to be July before night temps stayed in the 70's. Now it happens in May, in July, sometimes it stays in the 80's. In the winter, on a clear day, there was a bigger temp swing between day and night. In the winter, it don't get as cold (when has it got down to zero?) in the last few years. Here's another one, I don't think it gets as hot in summer as it used to. (remember, it stays about 10 degrees warmer at night)

Someday, the true believers will learn about grants and iron rice bowls.  Until then, drink the flavor-aid, the grape is delicious -- to die for.

Jt spinning his fairy tales again.

JT may be older than I thought. 

100,000-year problem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100,000-year_problem

Dire, Best and Bud.  what was I wrong on? You three are good at trying to use elementary school tactics to make me look bad or dumb. On that last post I made on the weather 40 years ago and the weather now, what was I wrong on?  Come on post it, tell and prove to all the readers what I was wrong on. 

Some time ago, maybe 6 months, we had a forum discussion of freezing temps in this area.  This was a link I provided

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hun/?n=fall_freeze

The data from those record earliest cold years coincide with other years within the past decade which is also supposed to be the hottest on record.

That supports how you feel colder earlier or warmer earlier.

The link in my previous post goes into elaborate detail about the earths orbit and how it tilts on it's axis much like our causing our seasons but more extreme events causing instead of early winters, causing ice ages.

The only other event that I know of that changed the climate in an abrupt fashion was an asteroid.

Has the effect man has had on this earth had anywhere the equivalent?  Or is it going to be like one of those cycles where we are 50,000 years off.

Not trying to be funny here, but my best solution is dress for weather.

I feel like we as humans have certainly "helped things along" but our universe has it's own ideas. We know nothing. 

No doubt the universe is the driver of the train on which we are merely passengers.  We can make our ride more comfortable to the eventual destination if we clean up our mess we go on.  But given the powers of the powers of the universe, I seriously doubt we can control the eventual outcome if it were to happen as quickly as those to promote global warming seem to think it will.  Reports point out that when climate changes, it takes thousands of years, not decades.  Except for a cataclysmic event.

Bottom line:  Only Seven knows.

I know nothing and everything all at the same time. Just like any other individual on earth.

You're wrong on all of it. Post a link to support your claim.

Your last post was based on subjective memories, not fact -- a real grammar school trick.  A simple look at weather for Alabama weather shows that temperatures under zero are quite rare. 

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I did not say many times a winter it got to zero. It was not uncommon for the temperature to get to zero once or twice a winter. I can't pull it up, but in 1988, about a week before Christmas, it went below zero three or four days. When I was in grade school, Russellville was the coldest place in the nation. Was it -25? 

How many years has it been since the temperature got to 0.

What about the night temps in the summer, I couldn't get that on NOAA. I still maintain that they are about 10 degrees warmer. What do you think they are?

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What? Good grief jt.

It was a fluke jt, not the norm, and people were amazed. Good grief! In 1985 there was one heck of an ice storm, would you say that was the norm?

ON THIS DATE IN 1966: 

Alabama’s coldest temperature ever (-27F) was measured at New Market in Northeast Madison County about 25 miles northeast of Huntsville.

The reading was recorded under clear skies with light winds and 12 inches of snow on the ground, perfect for extremely cold weather.  This broke the previous state record of -18F at Valley Head, which was measured on February 14, 1905. 

Other lows on that frigid morning: -24F at Russellville -17F in Haleyville -12F at Redstone Arsenal -11F in Valley Head 

In the Birmingham area, it was -4F at the Airport, -5F in Pinson and -2F in Bessemer. 

In South Alabama, it was: 9F in Fairhope and Bay Minette 13F in Mobile 14F at Fort Morgan 5F at Montgomery and Selma. 

It was 0F as far south as Clanton. 

The same storm dumped heavy snow across other parts of Alabama, including:

11 inches at Moulton 8 inches at Hamilton Scottsboro, Cullman and Red Bay 7 inches at Huntsville, Guntersville, Double Springs and Russellville 6 inches at Jasper, Falkville and Albertville. 

Mississippi also recorded their state all time record low on this date with -19F at Corinth.

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What tactics are we using jt? Knowing how to search and read? It's not us that is making you look 'dumb', and what kind of 'bad' are you talking about?

thanks for the correct dates on the coldest weather in Alabama.  How did you find it?

Alabama’s all-time record heat wave was at its height on this date in 1925.  Birmingham was recording its third of seven straight days with temperatures over 100 degrees. 

On the 5th and 6th, the temperature in the Magic City topped out at 106F.   After letting up a bit, the temperature would once again reach the century mark on September 22nd (the latest the Magic City has ever seen 100 degrees.)  The high temperatures were made worse by a severe drought.

The headline on the afternoon paper The Birmingham news said: “All Reords Go as Temperature Reaches 106.”  The Weather Bureau in Birmingham stated that the reading in the Magic City was the hottest in the country. 

The state recorded its hottest temperature ever (112F) at Centreville. It was 108F in Gadsden and 109.5F in Demopolis.   It was 105F in Tuscaloosa and 104 in Cullman.   Every reporting station in the state of Alabama recorded a high of 100 degrees or higher on this date, an unprecedented event that has never been repeated. 

Edgar Horton, the city weatherman said there was no relief in sight.  He was calling for a little cloudiness for the following day that might break the hot spell, but that was not to be.  Horton called for a continued lack of rain.

The Hottest Day on Earth, 100 Years Ago

In July 1913, Death Valley was in the grips of an extreme heat wave, with temperatures of 125 degrees or higher for more than a week. On July 10, the area entered the history books when the mercury climbed to a blistering 134 degrees Fahrenheit (57 degrees Celsius) at Furnace Creek, California, breaking the record for the highest temperature ever recorded.

Situated between a series of high, steep mountain ranges in California’s Mojave Desert, Death Valley’s extremely low elevation (282 feet below sea level in some places) and long, narrow configuration keep the region’s temperatures consistently high throughout much of the year. Triple-digit temperatures there are not unusual, with the mercury consistently topping 100 degrees for more than half the year; the summer of 2001, for example, had 154 consecutive days of 100 degrees or higher. As 1913 began, however, the valley was experiencing a rare cold snap, entering the record books on January 8 with its lowest recorded temperature, 5 degrees Fahrenheit. Just six months later, the weather pendulum had swung the other way as temperatures in the area topped first 125 degrees and then entered a stretch of five straight days of 129 degrees or higher.

Furnace Creek, California, the ancestral home of the Native American Timbisha tribe and once the center of operations for Death Valley’s lucrative mining industry, often experienced some of the most extreme of the region’s weather, as was the case on July 10, 1913, when a weather observation post at the town’s Greenland Ranch (now Furnace Creek Ranch) recorded a peak temperature of 134 degrees—just one degree less than its thermometer was capable of measuring.

Death Valley may be celebrating the centennial of its temperature triumph, but it’s actually only officially held the record for 10 of those 100 years. On September 13, 1922, less than a decade after Death Valley’s record-breaking day, it seemingly lost its crown to a new entrant in the sweltering heat sweepstakes when a weather observer in El Aziza, Libya, reported a high of 136.4 degrees. Almost immediately, members of the meteorological community expressed doubts about the reports, but the Libyan “record” stood for 90 years until it was officially invalidated after an international investigation by a panel of atmospheric scientists found several errors with the original measurement, including the use of antiquated instrumentation and the inexperience of the weather observer. The panel, chaired by the World Meteorological Organization, had its work disrupted for more than nine months after one if its lead investigators, a director of the Libyan National Weather Service, disappeared in the chaos of the country’s 2011 revolution. When both he (and the original 1922 records) resurfaced, the WMO panel officially stripped El Aziza of the world record and restored it to Death Valley’s Furnace Creek.

Today, Furnace Creek is home to park campgrounds, museums and a popular ranch, much of which is closed to visitors during the hottest parts of the summer. One attraction that remains open, however, is the nearby golf course, which hosts an annual tournament, known as the Heatstroke Open. And while the world’s meteorologists debated the merits of the Libyan claim, Death Valley went on breaking weather records. When the temperature dropped to a relatively cool 107 degrees on July 12, 2012, Death Valley tied the desert nation of Oman, on the Arabian Peninsula, for the hottest low temperature ever recorded. And in June of this year, Death Valley came within 5 degrees of the 1913 record when saw temperatures reach 129 degrees.

Furnace Creek, Death Valley may hold the North American and world record, but Libya’s far from its only challenger for “hottest place on Earth.” Seven years after Death Valley’s record-breaking day, South America experienced its hottest day when the mercury reached 120.4 degrees Fahrenheit in Villa de María, Argentina. In 1931, the south Tunisian town of Kebii saw temperatures reach 131 degrees Fahrenheit, making it the hottest day on the African continent. Ownership of Europe’s hottest day is under debate, with most scientists rejecting Catenanuova, Italy’s 1999 claim of 119.3 degrees in favor of the 118.4-degree day residents of Athens, Greece endured in July 1977. But if you’re looking to beat the heat entirely, Antarctica is probably your best bet. It hasn’t made it above 59 degrees Fahrenheit since 1974, and in 2011 the South Pole made history when temperatures reached a balmy 10 degrees Fahrenheit on Christmas Day.

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It's not hard at all to find it. What I can't understand is why you'd act like those temps were normal when it's clear they were not.

jt, i believe best and semi have a crush on you. best used to call my cousin ram years ago whining around but he wasn't interested in going out according to him. he has some stories about semi.

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A place for other state records:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records

I see  that the NE is preparing for the a major blizzard and, perhaps, the worst to hit NYC.  Global warming?  Perhaps, in my lifetime, one can hunt Alaskan Kodiak bears in Kentucky. 

Perhaps, in my lifetime, one can hunt Alaskan Kodiak bears in Kentucky. 

You can hunt them, probably won't find them

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Kodiaks would probably have passed through to Florida to feed on the Canucks.

If karma struck, Al Gore would meet his end at the paws of a polar bear in Michigan UP,  the bear being driven south by the extreme cold, mistaking the corpulent Gore for a seal or walrus.

No answer as usual.

No answer as usual.

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Was that thrown at me? These are the posts:

Me, I posted what I remembered about temperatures when I grew up.

Best, JT spinning fairy tales again.

Me, What was I wrong on?

Best, You're wrong on all of it.

Best, Your last post was based on objective memories- a real grammer school trick.(you plagiarized that from Dire)A look at Alabama weather shows that zero temperatures in Alabama is quite rare.

Me, I agreed that they are rare.

Best, What?  Good grief JT.

Best, Named dates and temps of zero and below. All from several years back.

Best, comments on tactics and search

Me, Thanks for info, how did you find it

Best, High temps in Alabama, in 1925

Best, Hottest day on Earth, 100 years ago

Best, no answer as usual.

I should have thanked you for the info on the hottest days, sorry for the omission. 

According to your research, the hottest and coldest weather happened years ago. That's what I've been saying. Thanks for backing me up

Worst discussion of the weather I've ever been a part of. 

i've never seen a group deny science so harshly.. all while holding to their religion.. it's hilarious.

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Well, you gave it a shot but it was a weak try. You posted those temps in an attempt to claim they were the norm and didn't happen anymore because of global warming. Since they were an oddity you have no way of knowing if they will happen again in your lifetime, and if they don't, so what? I remember my mother talking about it snowing ONE time late in the year when she was a kid, and it never snowed that late again. Global warming??? No, an oddity.

Well, you gave it a shot but it was a weak try. You posted those temps in an attempt to claim they were the norm and didn't happen anymore because of global warming. Since they were an oddity you have no way of knowing if they will happen again in your lifetime, and if they don't, so what? I remember my mother talking about it snowing ONE time late in the year when she was a kid, and it never snowed that late again. Global warming??? No, an oddity.

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I posted some temps that used to be normals, I posted some that was not normal. In 1966, it snowed in October, in 1971, I saw some snowflakes in May. Both of these were very abnormal.

However, zero once in a winter did happen, maybe not every year, but it happened. When is the last time it happened?

The warmist cult members can't even keep their stories straight.

"Last winter, Canadian climatologist Daniel Scott told the New York Times that by 2100, due to climate change, snow will become so rare that there will be few regions left in which to hold the Winter Olympic Games."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02...ref=opinion&_r=1

"Global warming-related sea ice melt in a portion of the vast Arctic Ocean has doubled the risk of colder and snowier winters in Eurasia since 2004, a new study found. The study is the latest in a spate of recent research to examine the ties between rapid Arctic warming and the rest of the Northern Hemisphere.

 Much of that research is still highly contentious in the mainstream climate science community. Here is what scientists agree on:

• The Arctic is warming at a rate about twice as fast as      that of the rest of the globe, and this is rapidly depleting the region's      sea ice, mainly during the summer and early fall.
• Rapid Arctic warming is altering the exchange of heat      and moisture between the ocean and atmosphere across the Arctic.
• Arctic warming may be helping to alter the broader jet      stream, which is a corridor of high winds at about 35,000 feet that acts      as a weather highway, blowing from west to east across the hemisphere.

The new study, published Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience, uses 100 computer models as well as observational data to show that recent trends toward colder winters in much of Russia, China, and portions of eastern Europe may be related to the loss of sea ice in the Barents and Kara Seas.' "

http://mashable.com/2014/10/27...gid-winters-eurasia/

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What tempts did you post that used to be normal? I could find NOTHING to support your insinuation that those low, out of the ordinary temps, were normal. The sites say zero weather is rare. That's why it makes the news. That is why the weather event you remembered and tried to put out as normal, made the news. It was and oddity and may never happen again. Zero weather here may never happen again, but it won't be because of  any 'global warming'. I read Lauren Bacall's bio. She says she was born on "a hot September day in New York" in 1924. That was over 90 years ago. A hot day in September in NY over 90 years ago. Hmmmmmmm, global warming??

There, I fixed your uneducated low info statement.

What tempts did you post that used to be normal? 

Here's one for local (NW Al &SC Tn) people. It used to be July before night temps stayed in the 70's. Now it happens in May, in July, sometimes it stays in the 80's. 

I never said zero was normal, I said that it had been a long time since it happened. Years ago, it did happen, maybe not every winter, but, it did happen and it hasn't happened in a lot of years now.

I never said zero was normal, I said that it had been a long time since it happened.

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And I said so what? It may never happen again, and it won't mean squat if it doesn't. You act like it's a big deal.