quote:Originally posted by WINDSONG:
You people PAY church leaders to tell you the things you want to hear????
No.
quote:Originally posted by WINDSONG:
You people PAY church leaders to tell you the things you want to hear????
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:quote:Originally posted by WINDSONG:
You people PAY church leaders to tell you the things you want to hear????
No.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
To ignore a problem or sweep it under the rug is to love yourself more than the person who needs you to tell them the truth in love.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
buff, I take it you missed part of the conversation. He plagiarized Frances Chan, not the Bible. How exactly am I putting too much confidence in my pastor?
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
buff...Chan does include quotes from the Bible & quotes from people he respects, but the rest is Chan's work and, unlike this pastor, gives credit to anyone he quotes. Here, this summary of the chapters may help you see just how much the pastor got from Francis Chan, essentially stole from Francis Chan when he did not give him credit for his work...
http://www.shepherdproject.com...ces/wordpress/?p=726
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have the book. He gives credit when he quotes other authors or the Bible.
Why are you defending plagiarism?
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Him doing this again is likely...if he saw no problem doing it once, no problem doing it more than once...this may not be the first time anyway, just the first time HP noticed.
quote:Originally posted by buffalo:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have the book. He gives credit when he quotes other authors or the Bible.
Why are you defending plagiarism?
I am condemning the commercialism of the Bible.
I have always done so.
No evidence yet that Diogenes ever found an honest man in a religious bookstore.
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by buffalo:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have the book. He gives credit when he quotes other authors or the Bible. Why are you defending plagiarism?
I am condemning the commercialism of the Bible.
I have always done so. No evidence yet that Diogenes ever found an honest man in a religious bookstore.
Who gets the royalties for every bible sold? Does god have a bank account?
quote:Originally posted by bluetick:
If God can create anything then why does he/she need money? What did he/she do before the advent of money?
Hey, I kind of like this answer a question with another question thing.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by buffalo:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have the book. He gives credit when he quotes other authors or the Bible. Why are you defending plagiarism?
I am condemning the commercialism of the Bible.
I have always done so. No evidence yet that Diogenes ever found an honest man in a religious bookstore.
Who gets the royalties for every bible sold? Does god have a bank account?
YES, IT IS CALLED THE "BANK OF HEAVEN" - AND ALL BELIEVERS MAKE DAILY DEPOSITS!
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:
I make daily deposits.
TRUE! - BUT, IN THE "WRONG" BANK!
quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:
I make daily deposits.
TRUE! - BUT, IN THE "WRONG" BANK!
I wholeheartedly disagree. The commode is the proper bank.
quote:Originally posted by thenagel:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by buffalo:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I have the book. He gives credit when he quotes other authors or the Bible. Why are you defending plagiarism?
I am condemning the commercialism of the Bible.
I have always done so. No evidence yet that Diogenes ever found an honest man in a religious bookstore.
Who gets the royalties for every bible sold? Does god have a bank account?
YES, IT IS CALLED THE "BANK OF HEAVEN" - AND ALL BELIEVERS MAKE DAILY DEPOSITS!
and sadly, some people are taught that the more they donate to the church, the better a seat they will get in heaven.
i went church shopping again a while back... we decided which one to test drive and we showed up on sunday morning just a couple minutes before the service was supposed to start... we snuck in and sat in the back so as not to get in peoples way... and listen for 30 minutes as the preacher explained how one of the most important points of christianity and the bible was that the tithing part.
he told us that a large and frequint tithe was no promise of getting into heaven, but that he was sure than the scripture told us that we couldn't get in with out that 10%.
we left before the sermon was over.
maybe every other day of the year, htey did a great sermon with a great message.... but on the one day we showed up we get told we're not going to heaven unless we give him our money... well, it wasn't the best introduction to a church. needless to say, we haven't been back, nor will we go back.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
In this way, we follow the teachings of Matthew 18 and, hopefully, can resolve the problem in love and with no distractions in the church.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Thanks, Windsong.
The Church in Bible times took care of the needs of preachers. I don't see why it's a problem if we do the same?
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Him doing this again is likely...if he saw no problem doing it once, no problem doing it more than once...this may not be the first time anyway, just the first time HP noticed.
Hi Joy,
Have you ever made mistakes? Do YOU continue to repeat those mistakes?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill