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Like I said:

 

"Sea-Land became notable for its instrumental role in the U.S. military in the Vietnam War, delivering as many as 1,200 containers a month to the Indochina peninsula; total revenues from the U.S. Defense Department would amount to $450 million between 1967 and 1973."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-Land_Service

 

What Ditzy fails to understand, willfully, or not, is that the Longsh*o*remen are responsible for loading all ships -- merchant marine and DoD owned.  The US Navy retains some capacity, but most of the loading is performed by civilians. 

 

Originally Posted by mad American:

The financial difficulties I have are my own fault, just as most peoples are.  I am taking responsibility for mine and paying my bills without a bailout or protesting the people that provide jobs. 

 

 

 

You are one of 100 people at a table. You all agree to order a pizza -- a big pizza -- a 100-slice pizza so everybody gets a piece. But when the pizza is delivered, the first five people takes 80 slices. Then when the pizza plate gets passed around to you there is nothing left. And the reason you get no pizza is because it's all your fault?

 

That's sometimes called "blaming the victim" as when rapists try to pin all blame on the person that was raped.  When you blame yourself, that's call a delusion. In severe cases, it is a psychiatric disorder.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/20...-the-americas-gains/


Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

You stated: 

Why would the USArmy be using commercial shipping resources?

I call BS.


The FACTS presented: 

"However, as a result of the Vietnam buildup, the actual cargo the Command was required to move totaled 20.9 million measurement tons. This increase in cargo exceeded the capability of the Command's fleet, and the Command petitioned the industry to provide additional shipping capability.

At the height of the military buildup more than 300 merchant ships were engaged in the sealift of materiel to Vietnam. The Coast Guard Merchant Marine Detail resolved merchant seaman problems and ensured that these ships moved in and out with as little delay as possible".


I addressed your BS statement. NOW, you want to deflect the FACTS on the SUBJECT by posing a question on Army policy?

Sorry, I'm not privy to policy during that time period.


You stepped into a dialogue between me and The *uck.

Feel free to step out.

The *uck stated that Army personnel were placed in danger due to the longs****man. 

The BS call stands.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by mad American:

The financial difficulties I have are my own fault, just as most peoples are.  I am taking responsibility for mine and paying my bills without a bailout or protesting the people that provide jobs. 

 

 

 

You are one of 100 people at a table. You all agree to order a pizza -- a big pizza -- a 100-slice pizza so everybody gets a piece. But when the pizza is delivered, the first five people takes 80 slices. Then when the pizza plate gets passed around to you there is nothing left. And the reason you get no pizza is because it's all your fault?

 

That's sometimes called "blaming the victim" as when rapists try to pin all blame on the person that was raped.  When you blame yourself, that's call a delusion. In severe cases, it is a psychiatric disorder.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/20...-the-americas-gains/

 

 

Did each of the 100 pay an equal amount toward the price of the pizza?

 

I assume this is the case, since any other arrangement would render this example moot.

 

Something I've always wondered-why is it that people don't have a problem with the millions of dollars preachers, politicians, movie stars, so called musicans, atheletes, doctors, lawyers, news reporters, talk show hosts, even down to freaking chefs make? You never hear of anyone wanting to protest or boycott these people, you never hear of people upset because they spend thousands on shoes, dresses, or millions on homes, cars, mansions. People worth billions toss a little bit of money at the public and all of a sudden they're "gods". What is oprah winfrey worth?

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

You stated: 

Why would the USArmy be using commercial shipping resources?

I call BS.


The FACTS presented: 

"However, as a result of the Vietnam buildup, the actual cargo the Command was required to move totaled 20.9 million measurement tons. This increase in cargo exceeded the capability of the Command's fleet, and the Command petitioned the industry to provide additional shipping capability.

At the height of the military buildup more than 300 merchant ships were engaged in the sealift of materiel to Vietnam. The Coast Guard Merchant Marine Detail resolved merchant seaman problems and ensured that these ships moved in and out with as little delay as possible".


I addressed your BS statement. NOW, you want to deflect the FACTS on the SUBJECT by posing a question on Army policy?

Sorry, I'm not privy to policy during that time period.


You stepped into a dialogue between me and The *uck.

Feel free to step out.

The *uck stated that Army personnel were placed in danger due to the longs****man. 

The BS call stands.

 MORE deflection? You are KING!

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by mad American:

The financial difficulties I have are my own fault, just as most peoples are.  I am taking responsibility for mine and paying my bills without a bailout or protesting the people that provide jobs. 

 

 

 

You are one of 100 people at a table. You all agree to order a pizza -- a big pizza -- a 100-slice pizza so everybody gets a piece. But when the pizza is delivered, the first five people takes 80 slices. Then when the pizza plate gets passed around to you there is nothing left. And the reason you get no pizza is because it's all your fault?

 

That's sometimes called "blaming the victim" as when rapists try to pin all blame on the person that was raped.  When you blame yourself, that's call a delusion. In severe cases, it is a psychiatric disorder.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/20...-the-americas-gains/

 

 

Did each of the 100 pay an equal amount toward the price of the pizza?

 

I assume this is the case, since any other arrangement would render this example moot.

 

 

 

Nobody personally paid anything when the pizza was delivered. It was paid for out of the club treasury, which all agreed to beforehand. The first five people were just greedy, taking more than their fair share while griping about calls to increase their dues if they think they are entitled to hog the pizza.

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

There is no right to sequester public property for your personal bedroom.  Neither tourists, or demonstrators have the right to camp out, or tear up the landscape. 

 

 

OWS doesn’t need Bloomberg’s permission

 

The billionaire mayor will "allow" peaceful protesters to remain. What right did he have to remove them?

 

This is a billionaire despot who weekends in Bermuda and doesn’t come home for municipal emergencies; deliberately lands himself recession-blind headlines describing him as “baronial”; makes sure public workers plow his street while the Big Apple’s citizens die; and now, most recently, declares that he has the extra-constitutional power to decide who is “allowed” in New York City and who is not. As the New York Times reports (emphasis added):

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, seemingly softening his language about the Occupy Wall Street protest, suggested on Monday that he did not anticipate an effort by the city to remove the demonstrators from a park in Lower Manhattan.

“The bottom line is, people want to express themselves, and as long as they obey the laws, we’ll allow them to,” the mayor told reporters at the start of the city’s 67th annual Columbus Day parade.

 

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution sees it a bit differently. It doesn’t say that while Congress does not have the power to “abridge the freedom of speech … or the right of the people to peaceably assemble” — King Mike does. On the contrary, it protects the right of Americans to express themselves — whether Bloomberg likes what’s being expressed or not.

 

Thankfully, the Times does go on to quote New York’s Gov. Andrew Cuomo giving Bloomberg a much-needed civics lesson. Cuomo rightly notes that the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators “have a right to protest; they have a right to their opinion. That’s what makes a democracy work, and the frustration is felt all across this country.”

 

It sounded like the higher-ranking governor was putting the mayor in his place — reminding Bloomberg that while the billionaire may spend a lot of time vacationing in third-world banana republics, at home, he’s still a mere local official confined by that annoying thing called the U.S. Constitution.

 

Whether Bloomberg listens to the lecture or not is another question — kings, after all, don’t tend to respect the rule of law.

 

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/1..._protests/singleton/

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

You stated: 

Why would the USArmy be using commercial shipping resources?

I call BS.


I addressed your BS statement. NOW, you want to deflect the FACTS on the SUBJECT by posing a question on Army policy?

Sorry, I'm not privy to policy during that time period.


You stepped into a dialogue between me and The *uck.

Feel free to step out.

The *uck stated that Army personnel were placed in danger due to the longs****man. 

The BS call stands.

 MORE deflection? You are KING!


I realize that.

I am always correct and you still wont admit that Fact. 

The *uck wanted to insult the longs****men and instead stated that the Army Material Command was incompetent at supplying the basic needs of a ground force in theater.  I bet that if there were any shortages(I doubt that too, but believe that the Army would try to prevent The *uck from getting any bullets) the Army could airlift material to a location and make it available for transport by Army resources.  They are not going to call a commercial shipper and then give up when stymied by something as trivial as the longs****man. 

I will not defend Bloomberg, whose main contribution to NYC is he hasn't screwed up what Giuliani left in place. 

 

As to the OWS, at present, they are camped in Zucatti Park, a privately owned park.  The ownership company has not requested their removal.  As long as they observe sanitation rules and don't disturb their neighbors with all hours noise and drumming, NYC doesn't have a great legal reason to remove them.  NYC does have the right to insist they don't disrupt other citizens in their daily life and transit. 

 

In other citiies, the demonstrators are using public land for a private purpose.  What's not allowed for one, isn't authorized for another.  They may demonstrate in the day. But, should find other facilties to sleep.  Nor, should they be allowed to continuously use public land to the exclusion of others -- whom, mostly, actually dwell in the city and pay for the parks.

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