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Experiment: I screamed to my neighbor to kill my friend dead if he really existed. My friend is still alive. I cursed my neighbor from top to bottom to see if I would be struck dead - still here. I asked my neighbor to perform a miracle and turn my yard full of leaves into cash, I still need to rake the leaves (I was really hoping there was a neighbor for this one).

Conclusion: My neighbor does not exist.

(Note: If I cursed and screamed at my neighbor like a raving lunatic, I wouldn't be inclined to do anything for him, either... even if he asked me to rake his yard!

But, were the roles reversed, I would have mercy and pity upon him, and would forgive my neighbor. And if I forgave him, to whom would he be indebted -though he may not know it? I would be reaching out to him to establish a relationship with him.

Will he accept my offer?)
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Originally posted by fineazell1:
Unfortunately, you forgot to change one element in order to be fair. So I'll help you.

I walked to your neighbor's house and knocked on his door, he answered.

Conclusion: Your neighbor DOES exist. See all it takes is one solid piece of evidence. Amazing what "PROOF" can do to change the mind.


Jesus stands at the door and knocks...it is up to us to invite him in
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Originally posted by gail.marks123:
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Originally posted by fineazell1:
Unfortunately, you forgot to change one element in order to be fair. So I'll help you.

I walked to your neighbor's house and knocked on his door, he answered.

Conclusion: Your neighbor DOES exist. See all it takes is one solid piece of evidence. Amazing what "PROOF" can do to change the mind.


Jesus stands at the door and knocks...it is up to us to invite him in

Well his invisible arse ain't knocked on my door. He must be chillin with santa and the tooth fairy cause none of those folks have been to the house since I was old enough to solve a rubiks cube.
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Originally posted by gail.marks123:
If I were your neighbor, I would suggest that you seek psychiatric counseling...kill your friend?? hmm


How can you, of all people, suggest someone need psychiatric counseling? Haven't you, yourself, chastized someone for believing in something others cannot see or prove?
Stick a sock in it two face.
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Originally posted by LMM:
fine, you used rule number 3.

#3 -- In any discussion of religion, you must make at least one reference to Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or invisible unicorns.

Doh'

It's just so easy - In the future I will make a better attempt to find other - less popular - imaginary beings to pal around with jesus.
My apologies.
Ever seen the painting that depicts Jesus standing at at door and knocking?

Ever notice one peculiar thing about the painting?

On the door, there's no exterior handle. It must be opened from the inside, from within the dwelling.
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I walked to your neighbor's house and knocked on his door, he answered.


Curious, but what did my neighbor say?

Yet one additional question... how would one know where to find me or my neighbor?

That would mean knowing something unknown to many, if not most.

Knowledge of the unknown.

If one has knowledge of the unknown, such a one would be outside the realm of humanity. They would, in fact, be super-human, or perhaps not human at all. They would be... omniscient. The would be God-like.

So... what DID my neighbor say?
Your neighbor said
"that crazy azz neighbor of mine asked me to kill his friend. Then that crazy fool cursed me up and down like a mad man. Finally, he asked me to burn his leaves into ash or turn his leaves into cash or something - I couldn't tell but by then I was so scared I locked my doors and peeped out the window to make sure he wasn't coming over here."

True story.
Who is your neighbor?

Why would you ask your neighbor to do commit a crime?

Why would you ask your neighbor to do something you could do yourself?

One only asks for things that they cannot do for themselves.

One does not not cry out for help when drowning, if one were able to "save themselves." One would hardly be thought thankful were they to curse the Coast Guard rescuer and helicopter crew for pulling them from certain death in an oceanic wreck.

Are YOU my neighbor?

Why then, would you curse me?

What if you've never seen me?

The only "evidence" to you, or to those browsing this forum, that I am living are these electrons flowing around a computer screen.

There is no "evidence" this is not an automated reply... or "bot."
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
If, as you claim, "The person that lives the closest to you" is your neighbor...

why would you treat your neighbor so horribly?

Why would you curse them?

And what about the person whom lives across the globe? Are they not neighbors?

I did not curse my neighbor - you did.
A person across the globe could be considered my neighbor but in the context of your question "who is my neighbor" it is inferred that "of whom I speak" shall be accounted. Therefore I answered accordingly.
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
What if you saw signs of existence, but never the resident?

What if you heard noises, but no voices?

What if you knocked, and they never answered?

Would it be reasonable to conclude that no neighbor existed?

Sounds of life could be heard.

Evidence of existence could be seen.

You just never SAW them...

Is THAT scientific?


There is a level of assumption that can go along with "SEEING" certain things that might constitute "PROOF" that a neighbor existed.

Since we both know we are referring to the other post I will go one step further - what "noises" have you heard?
What evidence of existence do you speak of?

As an atheist, all I am asking is for you to share this "proof" that you speak of.

One rule - has to exist somewhere OTHER than your mind.
What is beyond that which you know?

What is beyond that which can now be known?

What is the name of the galaxy beyond that which we know?

What are the names of its planets?

What are the elements of which it is comprised?

How old is it?

Where does space end?

When does time start?

And where did the primordial elements from which our solar system and life emerged come from?

And how did they so arrange themselves into order from chaos, having started out as fire?

If they were so burned up, how could life have begun?

When does time end?
This is NOT personal, I take you as my friend.
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I did not curse my neighbor - you did.


Your original words:

"Experiment: I screamed to god to strike my friend dead if he really existed. My friend is still alive. I cursed god from top to bottom to see if I would be struck dead - still here. I asked god to perform a miracle and turn my yard full of leaves into cash, I still need to rake the leaves (I was really hoping there was a god for this one)."

The substitution of the words "my neighbor" for "God" have no effect upon the question at hand.

Rationally, one must have faith in God to believe that there is a loving Heavenly Being.

Why does faith offend those whom do not believe?
What is beyond that which you know? THAT'S A NONSENSE QUESTION. IF YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEYOND THAT WHICH YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BEYOND YOU.

What is beyond that which can now be known? IF HISTORY IS ANY EXAMPLE, VERY MUCH.

What is the name of the galaxy beyond that which we know? WHICH ONE? THERE ARE BILLIONS OF THEM.

What are the names of its planets? VERA, CHUCK, AND DAVE. GO AHEAD, NAME THEM YOURSELF, THEY DON'T MIND.

What are the elements of which it is comprised? HYDROGEN, CARBON, OXYGEN, NITROGEN, IRON, ETC. SAME AS THE ELEMENTS HERE. THEY'RE THE SAME ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE.

How old is it? ABOUT 13.7 BILLION YEARS.

Where does space end? ABOUT 13.7 BILLION LIGHT-YEARS AWAY.

When does time start? ABOUT 13.7 BILLION
YEARS AGO.

And where did the primordial elements from which our solar system and life emerged come from? THE BIG BANG. OR, THE BIG BOUNCE. IT'S A MATTER OF SOME DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S A NATURAL PROCESS.

And how did they so arrange themselves into order from chaos, having started out as fire? FIRE? EXPLAIN YOURSELF. AND THE "ORDER" OF THE UNIVERSE IS A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDABLE PHYSICS.

If they were so burned up, how could life have begun? WHO SAYS THEY WERE BURNED UP? AND LIFE BEGAN WITH CHEMICALS IN WATER. GIVEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS, SUCH AS WE FIND HERE ON EARTH, LIFE SEEMS INEVITABLE.

When does time end? ONCE AGAIN, A MATTER OF SOME LIVELY DISCUSSION. SOME PEOPLE SAY THE UNIVERSE CONTINUES FOREVER UNTIL IT BURNS OUT, SOME HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS IN THE FUTURE, OTHERS SAY IT REVERSES, AND COMPRESSES INTO A SINGULARITY (THE BIG BOUNCE HYPOTHESIS).


Stay tuned for the next several hundred years until we figure all this stuff out. It should be interesting.


DF
Yeah, but they are going to name a star after me, not a planet. Wait, that means I have to send that stupid marketing company a load of money. Oh well, I'll take a planet. Wait, some alien civilization might get upset about us naming their planet. You want to start an intergalactic war? Not me buddy. I'm not fond of that I idea.

If I cursed and screamed at my neighbor either two things would happen:
(1) She would bring out her .38 and I would be dead or;
(2) She would dial 911 and I would end up in a straight jacket.

No thanks. I'll pass.
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Originally posted by fineazell1:
quote:
Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
What if you saw signs of existence, but never the resident?

What if you heard noises, but no voices?

What if you knocked, and they never answered?

Would it be reasonable to conclude that no neighbor existed?

Sounds of life could be heard.

Evidence of existence could be seen.

You just never SAW them...

Is THAT scientific?


There is a level of assumption that can go along with "SEEING" certain things that might constitute "PROOF" that a neighbor existed.

Since we both know we are referring to the other post I will go one step further - what "noises" have you heard?
What evidence of existence do you speak of?

As an atheist, all I am asking is for you to share this "proof" that you speak of.

One rule - has to exist somewhere OTHER than your mind.


quote > As an atheist, all I am asking is for you to share this "proof" that you speak of.

I see atheist always begging for proof .lol
Its called believing , same as you beleive in books made and written by man . Man can never compare to God .
You guys are so hungry for Gods love and word that you turn the blind eye to him and lay your future on man , a dumb man at that !!!
He may be full of book smarts but he is so lost .
Where is your Proof he dont exist ? We God fearing people dont have to prove anything to you ,but I really need for you to prove to me he dont exist , ok waiting .....rap a tap , rap a tap ,waiting. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Where is your Proof he dont exist ?

**sigh**
That sentence alone speaks volumes about why you believe what you believe. The mere fact that you typed that and did not know to correct it explains to me that you aren't mentally capable of understanding why that statement is so absolutely asinine.

For the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,187th time
YOU CAN NOT PROVE SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST.

Case and point - prove that the tooth fairy does not exist.
(yes I know - rule three but I am trying to make a point here).
quote:
Originally posted by fineazell1:
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Where is your Proof he dont exist ?

**sigh**
That sentence alone speaks volumes about why you believe what you believe. The mere fact that you typed that and did not know to correct it explains to me that you aren't mentally capable of understanding why that statement is so absolutely asinine.

For the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,187th time
YOU CAN NOT PROVE SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST.

Case and point - prove that the tooth fairy does not exist.
(yes I know - rule three but I am trying to make a point here).


You kill me , always pointing out people flaws , lol
Is that the best you got Bud ?
Oh by the way , I dont believe in the tooth fairy ,never did.
You think how you want to and so will I .
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Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
You kill me , always pointing out people flaws , lol
Is that the best you got Bud ?
Oh by the way , I dont believe in the tooth fairy ,never did.
You think how you want to and so will I .


But the tooth fairy DOES exist. I know in my heart and if you don't believe in the tooth fairy all of your teeth will fall out.

Prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.
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Originally posted by fineazell1:
Does this mean the tooth fairy DOES exist - because you can't prove she doesn't?
Just curious about your logic.


lmao , My tooth fairy was a "He" it was my daddy . Now your calling it a her ? lol
Your sexist to but thats par for you . fine . lol
quote:
Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
Ever seen the painting that depicts Jesus standing at at door and knocking?

Ever notice one peculiar thing about the painting?

On the door, there's no exterior handle. It must be opened from the inside, from within the dwelling.
quote:
I walked to your neighbor's house and knocked on his door, he answered.


Curious, but what did my neighbor say?

Yet one additional question... how would one know where to find me or my neighbor?

That would mean knowing something unknown to many, if not most.

Knowledge of the unknown.

If one has knowledge of the unknown, such a one would be outside the realm of humanity. They would, in fact, be super-human, or perhaps not human at all. They would be... omniscient. The would be God-like.

So... what DID my neighbor say?


You just shot your argument all to Hell.
Fineazell , You remind me of a guy I dated . He was from New York. He was a Cop for 18 yrs. Then he moved to Ca. and worked for the Railroad for 19 years ,until the train he was on de-railed and hurt him bad .
He got a big ole settlement from the Railroad , You know it was a good one right ? Wink
he then took his money and came to Bama .
It was so funny at first watching him deal with us Southern folks . Big Grin
He bought a house ,had the nicest Caddy in town and fastest I might add . He was full of book smarts and was a jerk at the same time , Kinda like you . He thought he was fineazell too . But let me tell you a secret , he wasnt . Big Grin

But you sure do sound like him honey bunny ,all full of yourself.
Heck , you may even be him for all I know .lol
If so ,then you know I'm the finer one . lmao
Just wanted to share that with you , Ive seen men like you before ,that think they are so much smarter than anybody they run into , thinking your money makes you fine or your book smarts make you fine , but it dont . It's whats inside that matters most . Only difference in you guys was he did know there was a God. Wink
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
quote:
Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
Ever seen the painting that depicts Jesus standing at at door and knocking?

Ever notice one peculiar thing about the painting?

On the door, there's no exterior handle. It must be opened from the inside, from within the dwelling.
quote:
I walked to your neighbor's house and knocked on his door, he answered.




You just shot your argument all to Hell.

So because I knocked on the door, does this mean I am actually jesus?
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Fineazell , You remind me of a guy I dated . He was from New York. He was a Cop for 18 yrs. Then he moved to Ca. and worked for the Railroad for 19 years ,until the train he was on de-railed and hurt him bad .
He got a big ole settlement from the Railroad , You know it was a good one right ? Wink
he then took his money and came to Bama .
It was so funny at first watching him deal with us Southern folks . Big Grin
He bought a house ,had the nicest Caddy in town and fastest I might add . He was full of book smarts and was a jerk at the same time , Kinda like you . He thought he was fineazell too . But let me tell you a secret , he wasnt . Big Grin

But you sure do sound like him honey bunny ,all full of yourself.
Heck , you may even be him for all I know .lol
If so ,then you know I'm the finer one . lmao
Just wanted to share that with you , Ive seen men like you before ,that think they are so much smarter than anybody they run into , thinking your money makes you fine or your book smarts make you fine , but it dont . It's whats inside that matters most . Only difference in you guys was he did know there was a God. Wink

I think your guy is a tad bit older than I. He was roughly 58 when you met him (given that he joined the force at the ripe old age of 21). So that puts you close to that age I assume. In all those years, you really haven't taken the time to educate yourself about the world? I know you get the discovery channel. Please, for your own sake, watch it sometimes. Monday night @ 9 would be a great time to watch especially.
quote:
Originally posted by fineazell1:
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Fineazell , You remind me of a guy I dated . He was from New York. He was a Cop for 18 yrs. Then he moved to Ca. and worked for the Railroad for 19 years ,until the train he was on de-railed and hurt him bad .
He got a big ole settlement from the Railroad , You know it was a good one right ? Wink
he then took his money and came to Bama .
It was so funny at first watching him deal with us Southern folks . Big Grin
He bought a house ,had the nicest Caddy in town and fastest I might add . He was full of book smarts and was a jerk at the same time , Kinda like you . He thought he was fineazell too . But let me tell you a secret , he wasnt . Big Grin

But you sure do sound like him honey bunny ,all full of yourself.
Heck , you may even be him for all I know .lol
If so ,then you know I'm the finer one . lmao
Just wanted to share that with you , Ive seen men like you before ,that think they are so much smarter than anybody they run into , thinking your money makes you fine or your book smarts make you fine , but it dont . It's whats inside that matters most . Only difference in you guys was he did know there was a God. Wink

I think your guy is a tad bit older than I. He was roughly 58 when you met him (given that he joined the force at the ripe old age of 21). So that puts you close to that age I assume. In all those years, you really haven't taken the time to educate yourself about the world? I know you get the discovery channel. Please, for your own sake, watch it sometimes. Monday night @ 9 would be a great time to watch especially.


Yep he went in at 21 .
But I see now said the blind man , you watch to much tv little man . lol
I will not watch any tv that tells me God is not real . You watch all you want to ,but you might want to read some too, like the Bible.

I bet you watch karate too ,dont you ? lol Razzer

Come on give us some more of your bragging about how good you are ,I forgets .lmao
Quite right, Alabamason, but isn't that the most corrosive effect of the institution? Placing ultimate faith in the unknowable, the unprovable, the indemonstrable, the likely absurd?

When unfounded beliefs are awarded respect, there is no end to them. Why should we not believe in a flat earth, that the germ theory of disease is false, that vaccinations are some sort of conspiracy, and that little green aliens abduct rednecks between crop circle parties?

The foolishness of looking at the world through bible-glasses has gone on long enough. The Revolution is now.

DF

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