Nahhhh. They don't want our guns....

Been trying to pick up some 22LR and have not been able to find it until now this is a good site for the shooter enjoy.

http://ammofast.com/

I hope those greedy bas*ards are enjoying thescrewing they are giving people.

Here is Bass Pro's price, but as of 3 weeks ago, they are out 

http://www.basspro.com/Remingt...-Ammo/product/40602/

525 rounds for $23.49

Ammo fast $79.00

This is what irrational fear looks like.

On a slightly different subject that I haven't thought on in years, is there still such a thing as 22 short and 22 long ammo ? I can't remember seeing it in years and years. 

Been trying to get it a bass pro but no avail.  There are people who meet the truck and buy them out every week.  More expensive than usual but far cheaper than my other calibers.  Yes still 22LR and short do not see the short much any more.  

I play what I call the Wal Mart Ammo Lotto - you just have to be there at the right time.  They have a 3 box limit, so one person doesn't buy them all.  They do get them, usually 12-15 boxes at a time.  Same with 9mm. 

And 525 at Wal Mart is about $23.  100 9mm is about the same.

Bad mix of hoarding and new gun buyers in the market now.  I am guilty of it as well.  Not to hoard, but its so hard to find now that I keep more on hand than I normally would.  I used to keep 300-500 rounds of 9mm.  My wife and I could shoot a couple hundred rounds in a weekend, then replace what we shot that day.  It might take months to find 9mm now at regular prices (and I refuse to pay the higher prices whenever possible), so instead of the 300-500, I keep 1000-1500 rounds on hand. 

Same with 22LR - used to be able to go out and buy a box when needed.  Now its so hard to find, I keep 2-3 boxes on hand.  Sometimes I cant even find shells for my shotgun. 

Irrational fear?  I think not.  The dems are well known for their hatred of the second amendment and are still continuing to spread the lie that it only applies to hunting or muskets.  I've even heard dems talk about the abolishment of the 2nd.  Diane Feinstein has stated she would have collected all the guns if she could have gotten the votes.

Captain - if you shoot a lot, you may want to look into getting a reloading kit.  I can reload 9mm for $13 per 100 and 45 ACP for $15/100.  Can also reload .223 Rem for 25 cent each.  Components are readily available on the internet.  I ordered 1000 9mm total metal jacket bullets for $84 shipping included on Wednesday and was notified Friday they shipped..  I probably have amassed enough components to last me 10 years, so I've got inflation beat for years to come.  I shoot whenever I want now, shortages or not.  There is a new business called "Tack Drivers Reloading" that has opened near Florence as well.

Anybody needing component info can PM me, I've got a lot of resources most don't know about to get what you need.  Need .223 55gr FMJ-BT reloading bullets now?  I've got a site that can get them to you in 4-5 days for 10 cents apiece shipped. They show over 80,000 in stock now.

Looking at a Dillon now can't decide which 650 to get or step up to a 1050.

I use a single stage at present but have been looking at progressive presses including the Dillon 650.  After much research, I'm now leaning more toward the Hornady AP as the powder drop seems to be better than the Dillon for stick powders (bridging issues with the Dillon) and caliber conversion appears a lot cheaper using the bushings instead of Dillon shell plates.  Also, you can buy multiple hornady powder measure inserts cheaply and use on one powder drop device for multiple calibers.   I think with the Dillon, most buy the whole assembly if they don't want to adjust power measure between calibers.  The Dillon is a beautiful machine, I've just got too much Hornady stuff already to go blue.

You probably already know this, but the 650 has the lifetime no BS guarantee while the 1050 is only covered for three years. 

I did not that makes up my mind a 650 it is thanks

We have been looking at reloading.  Havent had the nerve to jump in just yet (up front investment), especially after just dropping a grand on my wifes new aquarium hobby.  We have been collecting and storing our brass in case the day comes

I've used a Lee Engineering turret press for years  -- sturdy and costs about $110.

You don't need to spend a fortune at first to give it a try.

http://www.midsouthshooterssup...m.asp?sku=0000690030

There are better kits and systems than the one posted; but you can turn out good ammo with LEE equipment. A Lyman manual is also a good investment. There is also a plethora of informational web sites, such as:

http://www.handloads.com/

http://www.alliantpowder.com/

http://www.hodgdon.com/

Last weekend I ventured into Gander Mountain (Florence store) and saw where all the ammo that Wally World CAN'T get is going.

Yep, the same 100 round (winchester 9mm target) box of ammo you can get for $23-$24 at walmart can be had at Gander Mt for $36-$38.  Just a hair cheaper than $39.99 at the pawn and gun stores.  

Their gun prices are about the same way, much higher than they should be.  Great place to go look at stuff you are gonna buy on the internet . I like to buy local when it makes sense, but i'm not paying those prices!

To get going on a good kit with 9mm die set, tumbler, calipers, etc..., you'll be looking at about $450.  For rifle cartridges, you'll spend more for trimmer, swager (military brass), and case gauges.

I know, I have friends that reload and have toyed around with it.  If i jump in it will be with at least a middle of the line model unless i find something used from someone who is looking to upgrade. 

Ive got to refigure my per shot numbers.  I was at .19 to .23 per shot when i looked at 9mm (i pay about .25 a shot for new ammo).  I must not have been pricing in as much bulk as hoob.  

For 9mm:  brass can be reused 10-15 times, so 0.5 cents per case per shot, primers  can be bought at Lawsons for 3.8 cents each after tax, I just bought bullets for 8.4 cents each, and powder will run 0.5 cents per load.  Grand total is 13.2 cents for each 9 mm bullet.  45 ACP is not much more.  Plus you buy in bulk now and you've got inflation beat.

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And you have to mortgage on your house to buy it.

I started reloading/handloading handgun & rifle calibers in the late 1960's.  Started with a .38 Lee Loader then a used Pacific "C" press.  Had unrestricted access to a couple of Star progressives in .38 & .45 ACP in the 1970s and was given a old Lyman turret press around 1980.  Churned out thousands of rounds .380, 9mm, .38spl, .357, .44spl, .44 mag, .45acp, 45lc.  And .222, .30 carbine, .30-30, 30-06, 7.62x39mm, and .45-70.

But for hand-loading [different from reloading] my press of choice is the "O" frame RCBS Rock Chucker single stage.  It turned out sub moa regularly in ,222, .223, .308, and .270 if I took my time and did my part.

My powder measure, scale, trickler, case trimmer, etc are all manual.  I haven’t bought any reloading tools since 1980.  There are faster, easier tools out there but I as I became more interested in hunting, I found myself more interested in quality than quantity plus my initial investment is long since paid for.

But I don’t shoot nearly as much center fire handgun/long gun  as I used to.  A couple of state and federal agencies were kind enough to pay me to satisfy my shooting addiction.  The day of my military retirement had me hip shooting Rambo style an M-60.

So for the past decade, except for annually checking the zero of a .270 prior to deer season, I haven’t done any center-fire rifle.  In fact, most of my reloading stuff is still packed.

But that may be fixing to change.  In 1965, I qualified with an M14 at Ft. Jackson.  I’ve wanted one ever since.  I recently purchased a Springfield M1A, NM, or "loaded" as they say.   This rounds out my collection of all small arms I’ve qualified with since on the civilian and military side and all safe[ly] secured.

I’ve never loaded shot shells.  Not a skeet/trap shooter, don’t hunt ducks, and dove shells are too cheap.  If I were to load, it would be .410 for rabbits. A box of .410 is around 3x the price of 12 gauge dove.

It wasn’t unusual to fire a couple of hundred rounds of .22 or more over every weekend we weren’t hunting.  Semi-auto, bolt and lever action rifles.  Semi auto and single action handguns.

Then the supply dried up.  I’ve never been lucky at WalMart lotto.  Seems as if some folks have an inside track knowing when the deliveries are being made and literally buy them off the truck.  Saw some 325/$25 boxes of Federal at Larry’s in Huntsville.  Can’t remember the last time Academy in Decatur had any.  Far as GM goes, I’ll be ****ed before I’ll pay their outrageous prices.  Last time I was in the one in Florence, they had shelves and shelves of that .17 rimfire and not a single .22.

Regarding the .22s.  Used to be the cheapest .22 you could buy was .22 Short.  Now they are the most expensive.  I have two rifles dedicated to .22 Short only.

I can’t remember the last time I saw any .22 Long.  I never understood why they ever survived after the introduction of the .22 Long Rifle over a hundred years ago.

How many of you have ever seen a .22CB?  When I lived in the city, I used them in a single shot to eradicate some pesky squirrels that wound up in a wild rice and sausage pilau.

Save your brass!