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An article in the NY Times about these two planets  is followed by reader comments that seem rather cautious as to the value of this announcement. One such comment apparently thinks NASA is being heavy handed to show itself relevant.

    the reader comment:

  • Mark
  • New York, NY

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Discovery of the wheel. Landing on the moon. Unmanned exploration of Mars. The iPhone. The printing press and movable type. The computer. The apple at Newton's feet. The thoughts and creations of Einstein, Shakespeare, Darwin, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Verdi. These are arguably a few of the watershed moments in human history.  This Kepler NASA propaganda is no watershed moment. No one alive today, or their children, or grandchildren, and down the line will ever know whether these "Goldilocks" planets harbor life any more than do our own Goldilocks planets, Mars and Venus. This latest planet is 950 light years away. That's a pretty long distance. Seek Kepler planets? Okay. But put them in context. Shame on the Times for falling prey so uncritically to NASA's heavy-handed efforts to show itself relevant. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12...size-planets.html?hp

the rest of the comments are not what one would expect from the gullible publick.

 

Hey maybe they are not so gullible after all.  Whatta u think? 

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I notice at this time there are 53 reader comments about the NY Times article. Almost all are very critical of the NASA probe.

   Another comment from a reader:

  • Thomas Gnagy
  • Brooklyn NYC

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It is amazing that billions of dollars were wasted by NASA in space exploration and experiments while human problems exist in our nation that could have been helped by this infusion of that money. Columbus was trying to find a better way to the East, NASA wasted billions trying to build up the ego of their executives and test pilots (glorified with being renamed “astronauts&rdquo, The side benefits to science, medicine, etc., could have been greater if the funds were directed to those sciences directly rather than indirect benefits of going into space. The especially wasteful part of NASA was the creation of SETI in its empty search for life on other planets. There is no one else out there so we better learn to get along better with ourselves.

I look at it like this. God is the God of life. He has masterfully put some semblance of life on just about every square inch of the planet. I wouldn't have a problem as a Christian believing in life elsewhere. That said, we know there was life in the universe before there was life on planet Earth. Job 38:7

 

 I do believe in eternity we will be able to travel thru the universe and go to the places we can only dream of now. 

quote:   Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I look at it like this. God is the God of life. He has masterfully put some semblance of life on just about every square inch of the planet. I wouldn't have a problem as a Christian believing in life elsewhere. That said, we know there was life in the universe before there was life on planet Earth. Job 38:7    I do believe in eternity we will be able to travel thru the universe and go to the places we can only dream of now.


Hi Extra,

 

The passage in Job 38:4-7 is where God is answering Job and telling him about when He laid the foundation, i.e., began the Creation, of earth.  And, verse 7 tells us that the angels in heaven sang and shouted for joy.  This, in no way, is speaking of life on other planets or extraterrestrials.

 

Personally, I believe that if God had created life anywhere other than earth, He would have made that known to us in the Bible -- which He did not.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by Extra-260:

I look at it like this. God is the God of life. He has masterfully put some semblance of life on just about every square inch of the planet. I wouldn't have a problem as a Christian believing in life elsewhere. That said, we know there was life in the universe before there was life on planet Earth. Job 38:7    I do believe in eternity we will be able to travel thru the universe and go to the places we can only dream of now.


Hi Extra,

 

The passage in Job 38:4-7 is where God is answering Job and telling him about when He laid the foundation, i.e., began the Creation, of earth.  And, verse 7 tells us that the angels in heaven sang and shouted for joy.  This, in no way, is speaking of life on other planets or extraterrestrials.

 

Personally, I believe that if God had created life anywhere other than earth, He would have made that known to us in the Bible -- which He did not.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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 Bill, I said universe not planets. There was life in the universe before there was life on planet earth. Exactly the extent of that life we don't know.

 The scriptures say that" God  has given us all things that pertain to life and Godliness" the Bible gives us the information to help us find our way back to God after the fall into sin. It in no way contains all of the information pertaining to the universe as a whhole.  " Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, nor entered into the heart of man the things that God has for those that love him" this verse implies that many of the things we don't and can't know now, will be shown us in the future.

 

 The expanive size of space makes travel impossible for us now because sin has shorted the life span of man to less than 100 years. When you talk about planets 600 light years away, that means more than 6 life spans to reach it. When sin is eradicated and we have new bodies, and time don't matter anymore, that will be a hop skip and a jump. If never intended for us to go there, he wouldn't have made it.

Adam and Eve were created in innocence with the ability to pro-create. That means have children who would not have died. Logic tells you that without the Fall, and death, the travel of space wouldn't be a hinderance at all. Mankind would have already begun to fill the universe as intended for man to do. And one day, man will.

Extra I would also point out that you imagined trip to something 600 light years away taking 6 life-spans to reach the place would require you to travel at the speed of light.

       Traveling at slow speeds capable of us would take a mighty long time. Many more times than 6 one hundred year life spans.

    One might argue that we will find some way to travel much faster.

It is true we could find ways to travel much faster but the thing we have to keep in mind is Einstein’s E=MC^2 says that us, having mass when we travel is a problem.

  The mass increases with speed and our mass will become infinite at near the speed of light.

With the infinite mass you would never slow down enough to make a stop anywhere.

God and his laws only allow us to do certain things. Having an infinite mass and luminal speed is not among them.

you better tell these guys about those laws.... i'm just sayin'   

The scientists who appeared to have found in September that certain

subatomic particles can travel faster than light have ruled out one potential source of error

in their measurements after completing a second, fine-tuned

version of their experiment.

Their results, posted on the ArXiv preprint server on Friday morning and submitted for

peer review in the Journal of High Energy Physics, confirmed earlier measurements that neutrinos, sent through the ground

from Cern near Geneva to the Gran Sasso lab in Italy 450 miles (720km) away seemed to

travel faster than light.

 

full article........

Don’t mention it willie because the neutrino is said to “more than likely have a tiny mass” if the Neutrino has even a tiny mass the laws of physics does not allow for the neutrino to travel at the speed of light.

   If it is found that the neutrino indeed travels faster than the mass less photon we have a problem.

Either science is mistaken and the neutron does not have an estimated ten thousandth the mass of an electron, E=mc^2 is wrong or we will have to completely redo the standard model of quantum physics.

    This observed experiment of a supraliminal neutrino and a failure to find the Higgs boson is a plate full for the world of physics.

 

These two items have put a lot of doubt rather than confidence in many minds as to the holy scripture of science.

 

I only know of one thing that has withstood the ravages of time; God and his Word.

It will certainly be interesting to find out what our own Fermilab in Illinois has up their sleeve. They are fixing to fire neutrinos all the way under Minnesota to a target in Wisconsin. The target , it appears , is some modification of the old fashion ‘’bubble chamber’ allowing scientist to see the decay of a neutrino suspended in cooking oil of all things. The decay of the neutrino happens so fast in the LHC experiment it is tricky to observe without ‘inventing’ the results by observation.

          All of a sudden the boring task of finding the Higgs has turned into a whole new world for quantum physics.

\   God is a wonderful physicist.

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