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No violence associated with marijuana?

Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
I seem to remember being told on this forum time and time again that pot wasn't associated with violent crime, and all pot users were mellow, easy going fellows only interested in eating more corn chips. How do you explain this then?

2 dead in pot dispensary robbery attempts

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Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by unclegus:
most likely the results from the personality of the offenders. There is going to be goof balls associated with anything.
Did the article say the offenders was high on pot at the time? Or was they after money to buy crack with?


Of all the on line reports I've read so far, most every one robbed/stole pot as well as money during the crimes. There have been several home invasion murders and assaults where the primary intent of the home invasion was to steal marijuana being grown for "medical" purposes.
Road PuppyRoad PuppyOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
I'm vehemently anti-druggie, but I do know that money is a way harder drug than pot.


But money's not illegal to possess.


True dat, but people will go to any means to get their hands on it-including violence. Why am I saying this to you? You're a LEO aren't you? You know this stuff.....

I personally have never net a violent pothead. The ones I've seen are just way too burnt to care what happens past the next bowl and the next pizza. All stoned smiles and Chinese-eyes.

The violent ones I've seen don't actually USE the stuff-They just deal it. They can get pretty nasty.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


Well, there wasn't in this case. There was violence connected to a robbery, which I imagine is not uncommon.


And what was robbed?????? A marijuana dispensary. As I've posted in replies above, money isn't the only objective during these robberies. Pot is also targeted during the robbery.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
I'm vehemently anti-druggie, but I do know that money is a way harder drug than pot.


But money's not illegal to possess.


True dat, but people will go to any means to get their hands on it-including violence. Why am I saying this to you? You're a LEO aren't you? You know this stuff.....

I personally have never net a violent pothead. The ones I've seen are just way too burnt to care what happens past the next bowl and the next pizza. All stoned smiles and Chinese-eyes.

The violent ones I've seen don't actually USE the stuff-They just deal it. They can get pretty nasty.


Glad you haven't met any violent pot heads. I have. I've also met more than one suffering from paranoia episodes that were directly attributed to pot use.

Never met a dealer that didn't use either. Except for some of the hard stuff. Most dealers start dealing to pay for their personal use.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by unclegus:
It is entirely possible Sassy, on your side of the fence you will never understand the truth about it.
I do see and understand your stand against it though.


We'll have to disagree about the "truth" part, but agree that I'll likely never experience the user's side of the argument.

If it becomes legal, I'll abide by and enforce whatever law is associated with pot. I detest the smell of it burning, and have seen numerous bad side effects, so my trying it if it becomes legal will not happen.

Otherwise, I'll keep enforcing the laws currently on the books.
R ryokurin 2Hall of Famer
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:

And what was robbed?????? A marijuana dispensary. As I've posted in replies above, money isn't the only objective during these robberies. Pot is also targeted during the robbery.


and people tend to rob places that have a lot of money, or something they want. like when people rob a convenience store and steal cigarettes along with cash, and sometimes violently. I'm not trying to argue that marijuana is safe and harmless, but that robberies by their nature are random and for something that the robber values.
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
Once again this sort of thing re-enforces my belief that the way our country prosecutes Nixon's "War on Drugs" is getting kinda ridiculous.
From the article, my guess is that the robbery was more about money than just obtaining pot, but we don't for sure really know. I will say, that back in the day, I never actually met a pothead that was violent, but I have met many, many drinking people who were and all seemed to be "10' tall and bullet proof". All in all, I believe pot to be a safer recreational drug than alcohol.
Perhaps, if possession and cultivation of the weed were not illegal, then whatever violence associated with it, would decrease .
I personally doubt if "pot made them do it".
You are correct though Sassy, pot DOES create a certain amount of paranoia in virtually everyone I ever was around who was using.
Of course I understand that what is around today is not" your parents marijuana"
ButtercupButtercupPost Master
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.
leoleoHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.


Good to see you back Buttercup. Once again a class act and the voice of reason.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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And what was robbed?????? A marijuana dispensary. As I've posted in replies above, money isn't the only objective during these robberies. Pot is also targeted during the robbery.


Could it be that the pot was taken because it has cash value?


Would you deny that the robbers more than likely imbibed in the pot they took?
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.


You're not correct if you assume that I believe all pot users are violent. I know that not all are, but I know that some are...and some can be extremely violent.

I also know that some have no problem using violence to gain possession of, or to keep possession of marijuana. Is every pot user that way? No. But the statistics make liars out of those that claim all marijuana users are Cheeto eating pacifists.

I disagree with the contention that it should be legal. But, if legalized, I would follow whatever laws are passed.
W WHHall of Famer
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You're not correct if you assume that I believe all pot users are violent. I know that not all are, but I know that some are...and some can be extremely violent.

I also know that some have no problem using violence to gain possession of, or to keep possession of marijuana. Is every pot user that way? No. But the statistics make liars out of those that claim all marijuana users are Cheeto eating pacifists.


Enough with the semantics. You asserted that smoking pot makes one violent. Now you are trying to back pedal saying that acquiring pot makes them violent.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by WH:
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You're not correct if you assume that I believe all pot users are violent. I know that not all are, but I know that some are...and some can be extremely violent.

I also know that some have no problem using violence to gain possession of, or to keep possession of marijuana. Is every pot user that way? No. But the statistics make liars out of those that claim all marijuana users are Cheeto eating pacifists.


Enough with the semantics. You asserted that smoking pot makes one violent. Now you are trying to back pedal saying that acquiring pot makes them violent.


Show where I said smoking pot makes one violent. You can't, because I didn't.

Which makes you a liar.
ButtercupButtercupPost Master
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.


Good to see you back Buttercup. Once again a class act and the voice of reason.


That's kind of you to say, leo. I'd like to think I'm a voice of reason and can see both sides of most things; I'm a Libra after all.

Even so, I'm betting the number of members in the Buttercup fan club on this forum could easily be counted on one hand. Wink
ButtercupButtercupPost Master
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.


You're not correct if you assume that I believe all pot users are violent. I know that not all are, but I know that some are...and some can be extremely violent.

I also know that some have no problem using violence to gain possession of, or to keep possession of marijuana. Is every pot user that way? No. But the statistics make liars out of those that claim all marijuana users are Cheeto eating pacifists.

I disagree with the contention that it should be legal. But, if legalized, I would follow whatever laws are passed.


If you don't believe the violence was caused by the pot, then what's the point of starting the thread? If marijuana caused users to become more violent (generally), wouldn't we be hearing more about robberies, murders, etc., executed by so-called, high-as-a-kite felons, to get more pot?

I've heard of people being high on real drugs and committing felonies, but not on pot.

It seems like just a case of robbery (and murder) to me because the pot itself has cash value - just like jewelry robbed from a jewelry store.

(Why does this discussion remind me of a bad episode of Dragnet? I expect a lecture from Sgt. Friday any time now.) Big Grin
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by ryokurin:
When a robbery occurs at a local pharmacy do you automatically assume that all oxycotin users are violent?


Where did I say that all marijuana users were violent?

My comment is on past postings in this forum insisting that there is no violence connected with marijuana use.


I don't know that the pro-pot crowd on this forum has insisted all "pot users are mellow, easy going fellows", but you seem to assume all pot smokers are violent because of the marijuana when that's not true either. The fact is one has nothing to do with the other.

First, before you assume more, I don't smoke pot and never have. I'm just a realist - meaning, the so-called war on drugs is lost concerning marijuana. It should be legalized and taxed at this point and resources should be used to crack down on meth labs and prescription drug abuse. Law makers and law enforcement just won't face this.

Anyway, I know plenty of people that have/do smoke pot and the pot itself has never made any of them go rob someone at gunpoint for it. That's not to say that people who happen to smoke pot won't do robbery for the stuff. And they are not all mellow, easy going followers of Timothy Leary. I've known people who say they smoke it a lot and people who say they smoke it now and then. Some look like free-love hippies and some are corporate types. But none of them are violent just because they use marijuana.


You're not correct if you assume that I believe all pot users are violent. I know that not all are, but I know that some are...and some can be extremely violent.

I also know that some have no problem using violence to gain possession of, or to keep possession of marijuana. Is every pot user that way? No. But the statistics make liars out of those that claim all marijuana users are Cheeto eating pacifists.

I disagree with the contention that it should be legal. But, if legalized, I would follow whatever laws are passed.


If you don't believe the violence was caused by the pot, then what's the point of starting the thread? If marijuana caused users to become more violent (generally), wouldn't we be hearing more about robberies, murders, etc., directly related to the high-as-a-kite felon?

It seems like just a case of robbery (and murder) to me. The pot itself has cash value - just like jewelry robbed from a jewelry store.

(Why does this discussion remind me of a bad episode of Dragnet? I expect a lecture from Sgt. Friday any time now.) Big Grin


Just the facts, Ma'am. Just the facts. Wink

As I posted in my first post, it has been alleged on this forum many times that pot users are NOT violent, that they are corn chip munching, non-violent pacifists. This story, and others about robberies targeting pot dispensaries and farms points out that some pot users can be and are violent. And no, I don't buy the theory that all they were after was the cash.

How do you know that more of the murders and robberies aren't done by "high as a kite" criminals? Estimates are that as high as 80 percent of all crime can be directly tied back to drug abuse.
ButtercupButtercupPost Master
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How do you know that more of the murders and robberies aren't done by "high as a kite" criminals? Estimates are that as high as 80 percent of all crime can be directly tied back to drug abuse.


I can believe that drug abuse begets violence. The difference is I don't see marijuana as a drug...certainly not a dangerous one, anyway.

Tobacco use causes 1.4 million cancer deaths worldwide each year, yet cigarettes are still legal. Doesn't make sense when compared.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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How do you know that more of the murders and robberies aren't done by "high as a kite" criminals? Estimates are that as high as 80 percent of all crime can be directly tied back to drug abuse.


I can believe that drug abuse begets violence. The difference is I don't see marijuana as a drug...certainly not a dangerous one, anyway.

Tobacco use causes 1.4 million cancer deaths worldwide each year, yet cigarettes are still legal. Doesn't make sense when compared.


Ahh, now we get down to the facts...you don't see marijuana as a drug...

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Drug: A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.


Marijuana has attributes of stimulants, depressants and hallucinogenics.

I'm all for outlawing tobacco. You get the petition up and I'll sign it.
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
Ill also sign that petition to outlaw tobacco.

It never made any sense to me that you could buy cigarettes in WalMart on Sunday, but not beer.
How backasward is that ?

Prohibition on pot is even more stupid than the one on alcohol back in the 20's and 30's. For the most part it has it's roots back in the depression when , like today, there was a lot of prejudice against Mexicans. MJ was the drug of choice for the Mexicans and Herst (the publisher) got it in his mind that if we outlawed MJ, we could be able to arrest and deport a lot of Mexicans. It was he who pushed congress to make the drug illegal to posess without a "license", and took Nixon to complete the insanity.
Same prejudice today, and the right wing still holds onto Nixon's drug classification ban. MY opinion is that that entire misguided legislation should be scrapped, put cocaine, opitates etc in the drug store, and let doctors write scripts to addicts. Take MJ off any list or at least de-chriminalize it. Seems a $50 misdemeanor should about cover it.
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