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Yes, he did try to kill them. But I'm not sure taking the law into their own hands would be the right move either. Now if someone had a gun & it "accidently" went off & killed him, that's another matter. But I don't think passenger's are allowed on an airplane with a gun.
I would like to know with all the security in place at airports, how he got on the plane with this bomb to begin with.
If he had been 5 ft tall, overweight and my age he would have never made it! I will also add he would have nevr made it out of the MS airport. Security measures are more stringent than any of the large east coast terminals! As a weekly female flier says of the MS airport, "They know what color my underwear is and what size bra I wear". Key words: local weekly flier.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Re: the 2nd Nigerian passenger that locked himself in the restroon prior to landing....

The FAA is stating this passenger was simply 'sick'. I wonder......'what if' this 'passenger' had a similar explosive device, it too failed...and he was disposing of the evidence via the toilet?


I had the same thought! We will never know, will we?
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Originally posted by Tenn on my mind:
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Re: the 2nd Nigerian passenger that locked himself in the restroon prior to landing....

The FAA is stating this passenger was simply 'sick'. I wonder......'what if' this 'passenger' had a similar explosive device, it too failed...and he was disposing of the evidence via the toilet?


I had the same thought! We will never know, will we?


A bomb sniffing dog would detect PETN, even in trace amounts on his skin and clothes.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Re: the 2nd Nigerian passenger that locked himself in the restroon prior to landing....

The FAA is stating this passenger was simply 'sick'. I wonder......'what if' this 'passenger' had a similar explosive device, it too failed...and he was disposing of the evidence via the toilet?


It would still be in the storage tank. Airplane waste is not jettisoned from the plane. the cases where waste has torn through houses and such happened when the tanks weren't properly sealed and are very rare.
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
Did he not just try to kill all of them? All I am saying is I thought after 9-11 anyone trying to take over a aircraft or ignite off a bomb would be dealt with with extreme prejudice.


Your argument for death on the spot is purely DUMB and is full of problems. Had the guy been killed by the other passengers, there would have been no way to interrogate him and perhaps find out more about what lay behind his bomb scheme, who else was involved, etc. That, in turn, could have led to prevention of future bombings. Also, if the passengers had killed him, some nutcake conspiracy theorists would probably proclaim that there was someone on board specifically to kill the varmint if saomething went wrong, so that he could not be arrested and questioned.

However, you are entitled to your zany opinion. The redneck cowboy mentality often seems to seize upon wrongheaded and counterproductive "solutions" to real problems.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
Did he not just try to kill all of them? All I am saying is I thought after 9-11 anyone trying to take over a aircraft or ignite off a bomb would be dealt with with extreme prejudice.


Your argument for death on the spot is purely DUMB and is full of problems. Had the guy been killed by the other passengers, there would have been no way to interrogate him and perhaps find out more about what lay behind his bomb scheme, who else was involved, etc. That, in turn, could have led to prevention of future bombings. Also, if the passengers had killed him, some nutcake conspiracy theorists would probably proclaim that there was someone on board specifically to kill the varmint if something went wrong, so that he could not be arrested and questioned.

However, you are entitled to your zany opinion. The redneck cowboy mentality often seems to seize upon wrongheaded and counterproductive "solutions" to real problems.


P.S. Here is a tip for you and others. Buy stock in companies that train and market bomb-sniffing dogs!
Sorry...beternU...posted before reading your post.
As you are obviously from another planet, "interrogation" is not permitted under current US (Liberal) Law. It's called "torture" and is not tolerated! (see "Gitmo" "waterboarding" etc.)
Since our ban of "televised beheadings"...wait, that wasn't US.
Betch'a , right now...the ACLU...Southern Poverty Lawyers are lining up to represent this "poor soul".
seeweed...don't bother trying to understand this...
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
One must truly be a lonely and miserable individual to find it necessary to constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum.


Not lonely and not miserable, but I am a bit dismayed by the incredible thoughtlessness and incoherence in so much of what is put up on these forums.

Your all-subsuming, wildly-exaggerated accusation, to wit (or to half-wit, in your case) that I "constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum" is just pure and undiluted BALONEY. No more need be said on that, since others, if interested, can review my posts and verify this for themselves.
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Originally posted by rum_runner:
Sorry...beternU...posted before reading your post.
As you are obviously from another planet, "interrogation" is not permitted under current US (Liberal) Law. It's called "torture" and is not tolerated! (see "Gitmo" "waterboarding" etc.)
Since our ban of "televised beheadings"...wait, that wasn't US.
Betch'a , right now...the ACLU...Southern Poverty Lawyers are lining up to represent this "poor soul".
seeweed...don't bother trying to understand this...


Interrogation IS indeed permitted, but it is not allowable, and should not be, to employ torture as an adjunct to interrogation.

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

If anyone here is of non-Earth origins, it could well be you, but there are difficulties with that. No one as deficient as you in the powers of reason and analysis could have found his way here unaided from another planet. But perhaps you were stuffed in a space capsule and set adrift in a state of suspended animation, finally to land in Metropolis or somewhere in the midwest to begin your life on Earth as SUPERDUD!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
One must truly be a lonely and miserable individual to find it necessary to constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum.


Not lonely and not miserable, but I am a bit dismayed by the incredible thoughtlessness and incoherence in so much of what is put up on these forums.

Your all-subsuming, wildly-exaggerated accusation, to wit (or to half-wit, in your case) that I "constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum" is just pure and undiluted BALONEY. No more need be said on that, since others, if interested, can review my posts and verify this for themselves.


What makes you think that you were the topic of that statement?
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
Did he not just try to kill all of them? All I am saying is I thought after 9-11 anyone trying to take over a aircraft or ignite off a bomb would be dealt with with extreme prejudice.


Your argument for death on the spot is purely DUMB and is full of problems. Had the guy been killed by the other passengers, there would have been no way to interrogate him and perhaps find out more about what lay behind his bomb scheme, who else was involved, etc. That, in turn, could have led to prevention of future bombings. Also, if the passengers had killed him, some nutcake conspiracy theorists would probably proclaim that there was someone on board specifically to kill the varmint if saomething went wrong, so that he could not be arrested and questioned.

However, you are entitled to your zany opinion. The redneck cowboy mentality often seems to seize upon wrongheaded and counterproductive "solutions" to real problems.


Have a long weekend better?
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Originally posted by interventor12:
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Originally posted by Tenn on my mind:
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Re: the 2nd Nigerian passenger that locked himself in the restroon prior to landing....

The FAA is stating this passenger was simply 'sick'. I wonder......'what if' this 'passenger' had a similar explosive device, it too failed...and he was disposing of the evidence via the toilet?


I had the same thought! We will never know, will we?


A bomb sniffing dog would detect PETN, even in trace amounts on his skin and clothes.


Yes, that is correct. Only problem, the other guy wasn't supposed to get through, either. Someone dropped the ball, it will happen again.

As for BTU, this person always thinks it's about them. Poor soul.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
One must truly be a lonely and miserable individual to find it necessary to constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum.


Not lonely and not miserable, but I am a bit dismayed by the incredible thoughtlessness and incoherence in so much of what is put up on these forums.

Your all-subsuming, wildly-exaggerated accusation, to wit (or to half-wit, in your case) that I "constantly berate, belittle every person on this forum" is just pure and undiluted BALONEY. No more need be said on that, since others, if interested, can review my posts and verify this for themselves.


What makes you think that you were the topic of that statement?


It followed immediately after something I had posted. If you were not referring to me, then your post appears in a misleading juxtaposition to mine.

Now tell us, WERE you referring to me or to someone else, and if so, who? Don't be bashful.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
Did he not just try to kill all of them? All I am saying is I thought after 9-11 anyone trying to take over a aircraft or ignite off a bomb would be dealt with with extreme prejudice.


Your argument for death on the spot is purely DUMB and is full of problems. Had the guy been killed by the other passengers, there would have been no way to interrogate him and perhaps find out more about what lay behind his bomb scheme, who else was involved, etc. That, in turn, could have led to prevention of future bombings. Also, if the passengers had killed him, some nutcake conspiracy theorists would probably proclaim that there was someone on board specifically to kill the varmint if saomething went wrong, so that he could not be arrested and questioned.

However, you are entitled to your zany opinion. The redneck cowboy mentality often seems to seize upon wrongheaded and counterproductive "solutions" to real problems.


You sir are truly a IDIOT!!! I never said he should of been killed. I wrote I was surprised he was not, especially after 9-11 and considering he had just tried to kill the passengers.
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
Did he not just try to kill all of them? All I am saying is I thought after 9-11 anyone trying to take over a aircraft or ignite off a bomb would be dealt with with extreme prejudice.


Your argument for death on the spot is purely DUMB and is full of problems. Had the guy been killed by the other passengers, there would have been no way to interrogate him and perhaps find out more about what lay behind his bomb scheme, who else was involved, etc. That, in turn, could have led to prevention of future bombings. Also, if the passengers had killed him, some nutcake conspiracy theorists would probably proclaim that there was someone on board specifically to kill the varmint if saomething went wrong, so that he could not be arrested and questioned.

However, you are entitled to your zany opinion. The redneck cowboy mentality often seems to seize upon wrongheaded and counterproductive "solutions" to real problems.


You sir are truly a IDIOT!!! I never said he should of been killed. I wrote I was surprised he was not, especially after 9-11 and considering he had just tried to kill the passengers.


If that is your perspective, then you have a rather low opinion of the intelligence of those heroic passengers. I commend them for acting to restrain the man, not kill him. Perhaps THEY were astute enough to understand that (1) killing him was not necessary in order to stop his actions, (2)the man could be mentally incompetent, in which case killing him would certainly have been questionable, and (3) (as I pointed out before)the offender could be a source of important information if he could be restrained and taken alive.

Not everyone reading about the incident would jump to the conclusion that these passengers would automatically morph into indignant killers. Many--probably most--folks have more sense than that. Most folks do not have that ole redneck cowboy outlook, thank heaven!

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