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Just wondering if anyone else caught the irony.  Todays news from the justice dept:

 

http://www.salon.com/news/depa..._civil_rights_police

 

"President Obama's Justice Department is aggressively investigating several big urban police departments for systematic civil rights abuses such as harassment of racial minorities, false arrests, and excessive use of force."

 

meanwhile riots consisting mostly of blacks broke out at South Beach at the Urban Weekend, at Black Bike Week at Myrtle Beach, at a Water park in Nashville shutting it down, at the Speed Street Celebration in Charlotte where a man was killed and 70 arrested, at the Rib Fest at Rochester Beach, and "gangbangers" are rumored to be behind a beach closing in Chicago.  This was all this weekend and I can't really take credit for putting all this together.

 

Seems to me maybe he should be supporting the police who have to deal with this stuff here in the real world where people pump gas and like to take kids to the beach and not get shot.

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A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

Dittohead and Opie must be twins. They mouth the same idiotic rhetoric re: law enforcement personnel........

Only seven states ban the practice of openly carrying guns, and Pennsylvania isn't one of them, according to OpenCarry.org, which advocates gun rights. In Philadelphia, a permit is required to carry handguns openly. But on Feb. 13 a police sergeant who was unaware of the law -- which dates back to at least 1996 when the state Supreme Court referenced it in an unrelated ruling -- stopped Fiorino, who was walking to an auto parts shop in Northeast Philadelphia with a gun on his hip.

Sgt. Michael Dougherty can be heard yelling out to Fiorino as "Junior," and asking him to show his hands as Fiorino protests having a gun pointed at his chest, prompting Dougherty to call for backup.

Dougherty grows increasingly agitated as Fiorino offers to show his permit when he is ordered to get on his knees, causing Dougherty to threaten to shoot if he makes a move. Dougherty then unleashed a string of profanities as the two argued over the legality of open carry.

"Do you know you can't openly carry here in Philadelphia?" Dougherty yells.

"Yes, you can, if you have a license to carry firearms," Fiorino responds."It's Directive 137. It's your own internal directive."

When several other officers arrive, Fiorino is forced to the ground as he tries to explain that he's not breaking the law.

"Shut the f---- up!" Dougherty yells.

Police found the recorder while searching Fiorino's pockets. Officers eventually released him after speaking to the department's lawyer and being told that he was within his legal rights.

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey took issue with Dougherty's language and his lack of knowledge about the law during the altercation, Evers said, but not with the stop itself.

Evers, who has been an officer for nearly 20 years, said "very rarely do people open carry in Philadelphia." But he added he wasn't making excuses.

"We weren't as up on that crime code as we should have been," he said, adding that officers are being re-educated on open carry in response to the incident.



 

With a shocking altercation between Philadelphia police and a 25-year-old IT worker putting the spotlight back on open-carry gun laws, local authorities are warning gun owners that they will be “inconvenienced” if they carry unconcealed handguns in the city.

Lt. Raymond Evers, a spokesman for the city police, told FoxNews.com that gun owners who open carry, which is legal in the city, may be asked to lay on the ground until officers feel safe while they check permits.

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic...wners/#ixzz1O2KN72YW

 

 

 

Evers is openly, publicly, and without any apparent shame promising that if gun owners exercise their constitutional rights in Philadelphia in a manner that is well within the confines of the law, they can expect a potentially violent confrontation with police. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Only seven states ban the practice of openly carrying guns, and Pennsylvania isn't one of them, according to OpenCarry.org, which advocates gun rights. In Philadelphia, a permit is required to carry handguns openly. But on Feb. 13 a police sergeant who was unaware of the law -- which dates back to at least 1996 when the state Supreme Court referenced it in an unrelated ruling -- stopped Fiorino, who was walking to an auto parts shop in Northeast Philadelphia with a gun on his hip.

Sgt. Michael Dougherty can be heard yelling out to Fiorino as "Junior," and asking him to show his hands as Fiorino protests having a gun pointed at his chest, prompting Dougherty to call for backup.

Dougherty grows increasingly agitated as Fiorino offers to show his permit when he is ordered to get on his knees, causing Dougherty to threaten to shoot if he makes a move. Dougherty then unleashed a string of profanities as the two argued over the legality of open carry.

"Do you know you can't openly carry here in Philadelphia?" Dougherty yells.

"Yes, you can, if you have a license to carry firearms," Fiorino responds."It's Directive 137. It's your own internal directive."

When several other officers arrive, Fiorino is forced to the ground as he tries to explain that he's not breaking the law.

"Shut the f---- up!" Dougherty yells.

Police found the recorder while searching Fiorino's pockets. Officers eventually released him after speaking to the department's lawyer and being told that he was within his legal rights.

Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey took issue with Dougherty's language and his lack of knowledge about the law during the altercation, Evers said, but not with the stop itself.

Evers, who has been an officer for nearly 20 years, said "very rarely do people open carry in Philadelphia." But he added he wasn't making excuses.

"We weren't as up on that crime code as we should have been," he said, adding that officers are being re-educated on open carry in response to the incident.



 

With a shocking altercation between Philadelphia police and a 25-year-old IT worker putting the spotlight back on open-carry gun laws, local authorities are warning gun owners that they will be “inconvenienced” if they carry unconcealed handguns in the city.

Lt. Raymond Evers, a spokesman for the city police, told FoxNews.com that gun owners who open carry, which is legal in the city, may be asked to lay on the ground until officers feel safe while they check permits.

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic...wners/#ixzz1O2KN72YW

 

 

 

Evers is openly, publicly, and without any apparent shame promising that if gun owners exercise their constitutional rights in Philadelphia in a manner that is well within the confines of the law, they can expect a potentially violent confrontation with police. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In todays atmosphere, with all of the crazy s*it going on, Constitution, or not, I still have a small amount of something called COMMON SENSE when it comes to "packing".

I have a CC permit. My pistol / pistols stay CC'd. Even if there were an open carry law in Alabama...my pistol would STAY CC'd. No reason to "advertise".

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

Correction!  The police are not YOUR friend.  Generally, they get irritated at stupid people that do violent things. Go figure!

Originally Posted by interventor1212:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

Correction!  The police are not YOUR friend.  Generally, they get irritated at stupid people that do violent things. Go figure!

Exactly how does one "violently" record the police with a camera phone???  Get real.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

Leftist douche bags certainly are NOT your friend ... unless you are a leftist douche bag.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

A Palm Beach County couple, Narces Benoit and his girlfirend, were enjoying a night on the town in Miami Beach when they happened to be on Collins Avenue and witnessed this police shooting, which was caught on video by a photographer and posted on You Tube.

Benoit recorded that same shooting with his cell phone camera. But he says a police officer ran over and grabbed his camera phone and smashed it.

"He didn't say nothing. He just snatched me by my head and threw me on the ground and stepped on my back, threw it on the floor, stepped on it and was cussing me out the whole time," said Benoit.

 

 

The Police are not your friends.  The Police cant be trusted. 

What you and your ilk fail to realize is that good officers want to be rid of the bad ones just like you. People like you and some others on this forum lump all police officers in one group based on the common denominator of employment. Yet when we take enforcement action on a non-white citizen it must be profiling. You take the word of one person here and make it the truth. There will always me more than one side to a story. Try taking the time to hear them all. I don't know what happened there any more than you do but I prefer to not make snap judgments based on someone's word.

Originally Posted by wright35633:

What you and your ilk fail to realize is that good officers want to be rid of the bad ones just like you. People like you and some others on this forum lump all police officers in one group based on the common denominator of employment. Yet when we take enforcement action on a non-white citizen it must be profiling. You take the word of one person here and make it the truth. There will always me more than one side to a story. Try taking the time to hear them all. I don't know what happened there any more than you do but I prefer to not make snap judgments based on someone's word.

 

I see your indoctrination has gone well. 

 

How many instances of police misconduct and the subsequent lack of criminal charges would you like me to post? 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by wright35633:

What you and your ilk fail to realize is that good officers want to be rid of the bad ones just like you. People like you and some others on this forum lump all police officers in one group based on the common denominator of employment. Yet when we take enforcement action on a non-white citizen it must be profiling. You take the word of one person here and make it the truth. There will always me more than one side to a story. Try taking the time to hear them all. I don't know what happened there any more than you do but I prefer to not make snap judgments based on someone's word.

 

I see your indoctrination has gone well. 

 

How many instances of police misconduct and the subsequent lack of criminal charges would you like me to post? 

Post away...but be sure to include the number of violent crimes committed in the USA per 100,000 people (down this year according to the latest FBI data), along with the number of LEOs per 100,000 people.  It would seem that the 'thin blue line' is doing a pretty good job of keep YOUR ASS safe.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

 

 

How many instances of police misconduct and the subsequent lack of criminal charges would you like me to post? 

Post away...but be sure to include the number of violent crimes committed in the USA per 100,000 people (down this year according to the latest FBI data), along with the number of LEOs per 100,000 people.  It would seem that the 'thin blue line' is doing a pretty good job of keep YOUR ASS safe.

LEO dont prevent violent crime, they investigate and arrest the offenders.  The pertinent stat would be the ratio of arrests to crimes committed.  

 

The thin blue line is exists to protect the popo, not the people. 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

 

 

How many instances of police misconduct and the subsequent lack of criminal charges would you like me to post? 

Post away...but be sure to include the number of violent crimes committed in the USA per 100,000 people (down this year according to the latest FBI data), along with the number of LEOs per 100,000 people.  It would seem that the 'thin blue line' is doing a pretty good job of keep YOUR ASS safe.

LEO dont prevent violent crime, they investigate and arrest the offenders.  The pertinent stat would be the ratio of arrests to crimes committed.  

 

The thin blue line is exists to protect the popo, not the people. 

Ditzy,

 

That last line could be from a late 1960s alternative paper sold at your local headshop.  Got anything more current!

 

True, LEOs can only prevent crime when they are present. Would you really wish LEOs on every corner?  I've visited such nations, not a pleasant aspect.

 

As violent crime is down and has stayed down, that also prevents crime.  Agressive investigations and jailing of repeat offenders is a main reason.

Up to 6,000 felony cases under review in San Francisco after cops caught on tape taking items from a hotel room that they never reported.

 

a handful of San Francisco police officers are stealing from drug suspects. As a result, dozens of felony cases in which those officers have worked on are expected to be thrown out.

 

The district attorney's office has now decided to dismiss as many as 26 felony cases that involve searches by the officers seen on one of the videos

 

 

The officers on video have since been removed from plain clothes narcotics duty while Internal Affairs investigates. Some are on desk duty, the rest are on regular patrol. Police union president Gary Delagnes defends the officers who he says aren't thieves.

"They're not going to steal a laptop computer that's eight years old that belongs to some speeder in the Tenderloin," said Delagnes.

Delagnes also says the fact that the District Attorney's office has dismissed the 26 or so cases, doesn't mean the officers are guilty of anything.

"As a union, we're forced to get them attorneys because there are allegations and the attorneys are obviously going to tell the cops, 'Hey, you can't comment on these cases. You're under investigation.' So of course they're going to throw the cases out," said Delagnes.

 

Interim Police Chief Jeff Godown announced that while the investigations continue, he is shutting down the entire plainclothes unit at Southern Station, where the six officers work.

 

 

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=7995213

 

 

 

I will bet 1 Million Dollars that the absolute worst outcome for the cops seen breaking the law on camera will be dismissal from the popo force.  Then, they will drive 20 miles down the road and get hired by the next municipality. 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Up to 6,000 felony cases under review in San Francisco after cops caught on tape taking items from a hotel room that they never reported.

 

a handful of San Francisco police officers are stealing from drug suspects. As a result, dozens of felony cases in which those officers have worked on are expected to be thrown out.

 

The district attorney's office has now decided to dismiss as many as 26 felony cases that involve searches by the officers seen on one of the videos

 

 

The officers on video have since been removed from plain clothes narcotics duty while Internal Affairs investigates. Some are on desk duty, the rest are on regular patrol. Police union president Gary Delagnes defends the officers who he says aren't thieves.

"They're not going to steal a laptop computer that's eight years old that belongs to some speeder in the Tenderloin," said Delagnes.

Delagnes also says the fact that the District Attorney's office has dismissed the 26 or so cases, doesn't mean the officers are guilty of anything.

"As a union, we're forced to get them attorneys because there are allegations and the attorneys are obviously going to tell the cops, 'Hey, you can't comment on these cases. You're under investigation.' So of course they're going to throw the cases out," said Delagnes.

 

Interim Police Chief Jeff Godown announced that while the investigations continue, he is shutting down the entire plainclothes unit at Southern Station, where the six officers work.

 

 

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=7995213

 

 

 

I will bet 1 Million Dollars that the absolute worst outcome for the cops seen breaking the law on camera will be dismissal from the popo force.  Then, they will drive 20 miles down the road and get hired by the next municipality. 

Not if they lose their certifications.  BTW...out of the 10,000+ LEOs in the California, only a 'handful' (your own quote) are 'dirty'.  That's pretty good odds. I'd trust an LEO any day over any politician, insurance executive or used car salesman.

I thought you were going to post all of these many, many incidences of police misconduct. Don't tell me you are all bark and no bite. Get to posting. Put these "badge lickers" in their place. What you fail to understand is that we, the honest hard-working officers, don't do this job so you will praise us. I don't need an atta boy for doing my job. You can stand on the town square with a sign and bull-horn denouncing me and my fellow officers and we will continue to do our job professionally and ethically.

Originally Posted by wright35633:

I thought you were going to post all of these many, many incidences of police misconduct. Don't tell me you are all bark and no bite. Get to posting. Put these "badge lickers" in their place. What you fail to understand is that we, the honest hard-working officers, don't do this job so you will praise us. I don't need an atta boy for doing my job. You can stand on the town square with a sign and bull-horn denouncing me and my fellow officers and we will continue to do our job professionally and ethically.

No need.  I didnt know you were a LEO.  That being the case, I'm sure you've witnessed many instances of LEO violating the civil rights and performing criminal acts against innocent citizens, so why would I need to post examples from the news media??? 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by wright35633:

I thought you were going to post all of these many, many incidences of police misconduct. Don't tell me you are all bark and no bite. Get to posting. Put these "badge lickers" in their place. What you fail to understand is that we, the honest hard-working officers, don't do this job so you will praise us. I don't need an atta boy for doing my job. You can stand on the town square with a sign and bull-horn denouncing me and my fellow officers and we will continue to do our job professionally and ethically.

No need.  I didnt know you were a LEO.  That being the case, I'm sure you've witnessed many instances of LEO violating the civil rights and performing criminal acts against innocent citizens, so why would I need to post examples from the news media??? 

You were the one boasting. You offered and didn't deliver.

In a thinly populated Bronx courtroom, a plain vanilla drunken driving case was in progress. More than four years ago, a red 1988 Oldsmobile driven by a beer-imbibing man collided with a 2002 Chevrolet Suburban on the Grand Concourse. The arresting officer was on the stand on Wednesday in State Supreme Court for defense cross-examination. But she was being asked about something quite different.

She was being asked about fixing tickets.

Did she feel it was all right that her union delegate told her that a ticket for her boyfriend’s cousin would be destroyed, or another officer perhaps persuaded to falsify testimony, Adam D. Perlmutter, the defense lawyer, asked the police officer, Julissa Goris.

“Yes sir,” she said.

And did she feel it was her right as an officer to get tickets fixed?

“It’s a courtesy that’s given from an officer to another,” she replied.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05...lated-ny-trials.html

 

Thats some peculiar ethics and code of professional conduct for most citizens, but seems to be the norm along the thin blue line.   

I could post incidents all day, but what would it matter?  You're convinced that if the popo do it, it must be legal. 

Why dont you post an incident from your own experience. 

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
In a thinly populated Bronx courtroom, a plain vanilla drunken driving case was in progress. More than four years ago, a red 1988 Oldsmobile driven by a beer-imbibing man collided with a 2002 Chevrolet Suburban on the Grand Concourse. The arresting officer was on the stand on Wednesday in State Supreme Court for defense cross-examination. But she was being asked about something quite different.

She was being asked about fixing tickets.

Did she feel it was all right that her union delegate told her that a ticket for her boyfriend’s cousin would be destroyed, or another officer perhaps persuaded to falsify testimony, Adam D. Perlmutter, the defense lawyer, asked the police officer, Julissa Goris.

“Yes sir,” she said.

And did she feel it was her right as an officer to get tickets fixed?

“It’s a courtesy that’s given from an officer to another,” she replied.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05...lated-ny-trials.html

 

Thats some peculiar ethics and code of professional conduct for most citizens, but seems to be the norm along the thin blue line.   

I could post incidents all day, but what would it matter?  You're convinced that if the popo do it, it must be legal. 

Why dont you post an incident from your own experience. 

By norm you mean seldom occurs and the number of positive examples greatly outnumber the negative? I don't want to convince you I am right. You are far too stubborn to realize that there is a possibility you are incorrect. Sure, these negative incidents occur. But your tired rhetoric of all officers being bad is just that .... tired. Bombed out and depleted. Here is a story from my experience. A man broke a beer bottle over his wife's head because she asked him to stop calling her fat. She only called 911 because she needed to go to the hospital. When I got there she ran outside and said that if I arrested him it would mean her getting beat for it. I pulled him from the attic and took him to jail. "I could post [these] incidents all day, but what would it matter? You're convince that if the popo do it, it must be [illegal]."

You're using your hyperbolic logic. No one said all LEO were dirty, you inferred that yourself. 

When a LEO commits a criminal act in the course of their duties, they are protected from prosecution by the thin blue line.  And the DA. Thats the rub.  The good officers overlook/coverup the the acts of the bad officers.  That what this thread is about. 

 

Fixing tickets is normal, and criminal, but does not violate the rights of any particular citizen.

 

One night a call came out of a prowler. It was raining heavily and the female caller heard someone in her carport. I responded. While en route I was told she had an active protection order for her ex-husband. When I arrived he was hanging from a rafter in her garage by a rope. I got him down and he is alive today. He said he intended for her and his son to find him dead because they left the abusive relationship.

I'll play:

 

One hot, summer afternoon while on patrol I came upon a stalled pickup and family of four (it was a loaner truck and they didn't know the fuel guage wasn't working properly).  The tow truck arrived with enough fuel to get them to the nearest gas station.  Cost? $10. Next problem. They had no more money. I gave them $20 to get the remaining 65 miles home. I didn't expect to get my money back and didn't offer it with any conditions.

 

2 weeks later my Chief called me in and handed me a letter....and $20.

 

Like every officer on this forum, I have plenty more such examples.

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