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Hi to my Forum Friends,

To celebrate the return of our old Friend, Deep, to the Religion Forum, again! And, to mourn the degradation brought upon the Religion Forum by a "Noo Yawk City transplant" and another from the South Shore who has come back under a new name -- I would like to share a story with you that I posted several years ago while jousting with my dubious Friends, Deep and Fish.

This wee story I wrote myself. I pray that you will enjoy it. Keep in mind that while the story is fictional, and the characters are fictional, there is so much truth in the tale itself. You might call it a prophetic short story.

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NOTHING COMES TO FORUMLAND!

Once upon a time, long ago, in a land far away named Oblivion, there lived two atheist friends. These friends were named Argue and Debate. Now, one thing that both Argue and Debate agreed upon was that they believed strongly in Nothing. This was their faith, their religion, the religion of Nothing. They worshipped Nothing; they adored Nothing; their lives were dedicated to Nothing.

One day, as they were wandering around in search of Nothing, they happened to stumble upon a new valley, the valley of Forumland. Oh, they were so excited. "Maybe," chimed Argue, "we can find others here who know Nothing!"

"Yes," declared Debate, "if not, we can surely introduce them to Nothing!"

They were so excited; possibly there were many people here who either knew Nothing -- or could be lured into knowing Nothing.

"Just imagine the possibilities, if we can convince many others to also believe in Nothing," Debate told Argue. "Then, maybe we can build a cathedral dedicated to Nothing. That will be a glorious tribute to our god, Nothing."

So, in the new valley of Forumland, Argue and Debate set about to plant their seeds and to lay plans for building their cathedral to Nothing. First, they had to develop a relationship with the people of Forumland. "Come," said Debate, "we will get into a conversation with them; assure them that we are Friends; and then we can talk about Nothing."

Walking along in Forumland, the two friends happened upon a small group of Forumland residents. Right away, Argue and Debate began to talk with these good folks. Discovering that many of these folks believed in someone called God; the two friends were somewhat taken aback. But, that did not deter them. They were determined that these folks were going to become followers of Nothing.

Argue began, in his sly way, to lead the group of Forumland residents into a discussion. He asked, "Do you really believe in this God? Why do you believe that He really exists?"

One local fellow, Bill, replied, "Truthfully, until twenty years ago, I was very much like the two of you. I wandered in the world, loving the ways of the world, and following Nothing. But, then a Friend told me about God -- and this Friend was so full of love, warmth, and peace, I realized he must have something that I was lacking. I had Nothing; but, he had his God. I was wandering; but, he was grounded in love and peace."

"So, when he told me about his God, I began to investigate this new Person. I went to church, I went to Bible studies -- and one thing I noticed was that these folks in church and Bible study also had this love and peace I was lacking. Because of this, I kept going to church and Bible study. I kept learning more and more about this God. And, the more I learned, the more I realized that the god, Nothing, that I had been following was just that -- he was Nothing."

"After six months of this, I felt this love and peace coming into my heart. I was surprised; but, I said, 'Yes, God, please come into my heart and bring all of Your love and Your peace. I want to follow You and Your Son, Jesus Christ.'

"Since then, I have had God's love and peace in my life. Really, Argue and Debate, you should try it. You should go to a Bible-teaching church and Bible study and see if you can rid yourself of Nothing and find God."


Of course, Argue began to argue, "You say that this love and peace JUST came into your heart?"

"No," replied Bill, "As I learned more about God, I began to realize that He had what was missing in my life. Then, I began to seek Him; I wanted to know more about Him. It took me about six months to realize that I wanted Him to be my Lord and Savior. That is when I prayed and asked Him to come into my heart; that is when I was saved -- and love and peace came into my heart -- for He forgave me all my sins."

So, debated Debate, "If it is that easy, I guess that even Hitler might have been saved?"

"Actually," Bill told him, "Yes, even Hitler could have been saved if he had sincerely turned to the Lord in repentance and asked Jesus to come into his heart. That said, I truly doubt that he did -- for he scoffed at everything of God."

"You see,"
Bill continues, "the only sin which cannot be forgiven is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ; for by rejecting Him you condemn yourself. By rejecting Him, you, by default, choose to follow Satan -- and this action of yours condemns you to an eternity with Satan."

Then, Bill told them, "Even Judas Iscariot could have been saved if he had truly repented. Yet, the Bible tells us that Judas was indwelt by Satan at the Last Supper and never repented. We read about this in John 13:26-27 and Mark 14:21. Oh, Judas was sorry about his action of taking thirty pieces of silver as his price to betray Jesus. And, Judas ended much like Hitler, by taking his own life. We read about this in Matthew 27:3-10."

By now, Debate is incensed, "I suppose you even believe in the myth of Creationism?"

"Actually," Bill smiled, "Yes, I do. If you are sincerely interested I can explain. You see, nature, the human body, the universe, the relationship between the earth, the sun, the planets, moon, and stars -- all of these things declare the glory of God and His Creation. Later, if you are interested I can give you much more detail to prove that Creation is indeed true and factual."

This really starts to get under Debate's skin; he responds, "Evolution is the only thing that is factual and true. I can give you many web sites which prove evolution!"

Bill responds to Debate's challenge, "No, Debate, rather than showing me what other evolutionists who are devoted to Nothing write; why don't you tell me, in detail, why you believe in evolution."

Debate sputters and fumes, "No, you are really stupid. I tell you that evolution is factual; but you will not listen!"

"No, Debate," said Bill, "You tell me to look at web sites written by others; but, you have not given me any knowledge or facts which come from you. Tell me exactly what you know about evolution and why it is factual. Remember, even Charles Darwin said that if scientist cannot show a transitional 'missing link' fossil record -- then, evolution is gasping its last breath. What can you personally tell me, from your own knowledge, that will show me, absolutely, that evolution is alive and well?"

Angrily, Debate declares, "Bill, you are really stupid. Look at this web site, www.blah-blah-blah.com. And, there are others. Go to this web site: www.hotair.com. Are you so thick headed and moronic that you cannot read what these honest, sincere evolutionists, followers of Nothing, have written?"

"No," Bill once again replied, "I want to know what you, Debate, and you, Argue, know; not what a bunch of other Nothing followers tell you. What do you know? Can you, from your own knowledge, tell me why evolution is factual? Don't just huff and puff, calling me names. Show me the meat! Show me the 'missing link' fossils. Lay it on me!"

Now, both Debate and Argue are boiling, "Bill, you are too stupid for us to waste our time. We don't want to talk with you anymore. Just go away and leave us to tell these good people about Nothing."

Smiling, Bill tells them, "I am sorry, my atheist Friends, but I cannot leave Forumland and allow you to build your cathedral to Nothing. I must make sure that these good folks, my home town family, at least have the Word of God to balance against your words of Nothing."

And, so, the saga of God versus Nothing continues in Forumland; each with their champions; each continuing to share his truth -- or His Truth -- until one day Jesus comes and Raptures His followers away -- leaving Forumland totally in the hands of Nothing.

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Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of "Nothing Comes To Forumland."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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And man....SOME of us can't WAIT for that rapturey stuff to get going. As long as your sheep don't go into rapture in the fast lane during rush hour. I see many of them rehearsing on a daily schedule out there. It's bad enough already.

*This guy's like a 419 scammer...Ya gotta keep him busy so he doesn't have time to scam anybody else...*

"Stick outcha can-Here comes da garbage man."
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Insanity. Madness.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time that Billy has put that same story on this forum? I think he's kind of struck on his writings.

Hi Chick,

Actually, only the third -- once for each of Deep's reincarnations on the Religion Forum. Although, I may have missed one or two of them since I only officially counted three.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Bill, you should welcome people back again, and again. And then again. And if they come back, under another name, welcome them again.
Maybe they are seeking something. Ever thought of that? Do you think they come here just to p#$$$ you off? I doubt it. Nobody has that kind of time on their hands.
Everybody has a right to their opinions- you just wind up looking like a fool when you jump all over them.
Why not just suck it up, and play nice?
Who knows? Maybe someone needs a kind ear, or a friend, not a judgemental lunatic classifying them as "nothings".
As a Christian, you should be able to kindly and compassionately explain your faith. You should not be rude and condescending- even if you are faced with what you are perceived as rudeness, or anti-Christian, YOU know better, and are called to be patient and kind.
Now, it is difficult when presented with views on Atheism and anti-Christian viewpoints. But this is when YOU are called to be Christ-like. Don't condemn people, don't be a knowitall.
Be a friend, for goodness sake. And if they don't want to hear it from you, MOVE ON!
THere are plenty of opportunities for one to be compassionate and tolerant. There are no appropriate times to be self righteous and indignant.
It doesn't speak highly of Christians, nor does it lend well to people wanting to follow you.
WELCOME to our new Forum Friends- even if you are reincarnated. All the more reason to welcome.
This forum's moderator is not Bill Gray. I believe I speak for many when I say we are welcoming of your thoughts and ideas, and glad of your virtual friendship.
This was my first time to read Bill's story. I didn't find it offensive. I found it entertaining and it hit the nail right on the head. I always am amazed at the amount of faith athiest have to believe the things that they do as I am sure they feel the same about me. It also always surprises me how rude and beligerent they become over religion. It seems to really set some people off. Why can't they just ignore the postings that they deem stupid?
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This was my first time to read Bill's story. I didn't find it offensive. I found it entertaining and it hit the nail right on the head. I always am amazed at the amount of faith athiest have to believe the things that they do as I am sure they feel the same about me. It also always surprises me how rude and beligerent they become over religion. It seems to really set some people off. Why can't they just ignore the postings that they deem stupid?

Hi Shoals,

Even more confusing -- they do not believe that God exists; they hate any mention of God's name -- yet, they cannot wait to get into a Religion Forum where we talk about God. Do you see any logic in that?

That is like the guy who cannot stand the sight of horses -- standing in front of the line at the Kentucky Derby.

As I said in my story -- the only logical reason can be that they truly are Argue and Debate. I am convinced that if our atheist Friends could not find someone with whom to argue -- they would find a mirror and argue with their own image.

Oh, well, as VP said -- maybe them being here is really by God's design; He wants them exposed to His Word -- knowing that we will reach one or two with salvation.

So, I guess we can tolerate the others -- to save that one or two.

Stay faithful, my Friend. He is coming again -- and I believe -- soon.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Billy, it's really none of your business who is a member on this forum.

Hi Chick,

You seem to be addressing me; yet, using the name Billy makes me wonder. Do you mean me, Bill Gray, or do you mean Billy Joe Deep?

I am not trying to exclude anyone. As a matter of fact, our atheist/secularist Friends have given me my best platforms for sharing the Gospel. They have been great partners in sharing God's Word.

My question to them is, and I believe it is a valid question -- why do you even want to be on the Forum where all we talk about is God?

They do not believe He exists. At least, they try to convince us of this. Yet, I have always had my doubts.

If I hated seafood -- the last place you would find me is in a Seafood Restaurant.

So, if these guys dislike Christians and God so much -- why do they want to hang out with us? There must be some attraction. I suspect that they are really hoping we can convince them that God is truly real.

And, for that reason also -- I welcome them on the Religion Forum. Hey, if only one of them is saved -- it is worth all the effort of dealing with the group.

So, you see, I am not trying to exclude them; only trying to understand them.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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You seem to be addressing me; yet, using the name Billy makes me wonder. Do you mean me, Bill Gray, or do you mean Billy Joe Deep?

I am not trying to exclude anyone. As a matter of fact, our atheist/secularist Friends have given me my best platforms for sharing the Gospel.

So, if these guys dislike Christians and God so much -- why do they want to hang out with us? There must be some attraction. I suspect that they are really hoping we can convince them that God is truly real.
Bill


No, I was speaking to you.
Maybe you have given them the best platforms for sharing the non-existence of the Gospel.
If you like Christians and God so much -- why do you want to hang out with them?
Maybe they are really hoping they can convince you that God is truly not real.
It can go both ways you know.

I've never seen you show any kindness to these people, you are constantly putting them down & making fun of them. Not a Christian way at all.
I get it. Bill thinks this is holy war.
He's already issued his fatwa.

The whole "standing in the doorway" thing. I get it.

I don't hate the mention of god's name. Not at all. In fact, I came here looking to see if I could learn something. Oh brother! I learned all right.

I learned so far that:

A.) The whole idea of 'god' is no clearer to me than when I started looking for evidence, because, apparently nobody else really knows either.
B.) Anybody who says they DO know all about god is lying. Period.
C.) With very few exceptions, believers are like a big ol' bowl of Mueslix cereal. Whatever ain't nuts and flakes, is fruit, and,
D.) The one who dies with the most sheep wins.

I dunno if this is what BeeG wanted to teach me, but then that isn't what I asked him when I first got here. I asked him what *he* thought about god and religion. He has done nothing but duck-and-dodge the question since I asked it.

Nope, he just points to his book and chatters like a gibbon. Therefore, because he can't really give me any information that I can actually DO something with- (well, maybe besides joining up with a 'righteous' southern fundamentalist church and give them my money while we all stand around blocking doorways and stroke each other about how we can sin to our hearts' content and it's OK, 'cause we got our tickets punched for all eternity as long as we accept Jesus as our lord and savior and ask for forgiveness..) *I can drive a hundred miles an hour and not lose a drop of that savin' power/long as I got that plastic Jesus sittin' on the dashboard of my car....*

-I have to pretty much disregard what he tells me.

How can anyone learn from someone whose attitude is such that if you have to ask-You wouldn't understand?

Of course Bill is probably going to belittle me again like a good, righteous Christian and tell me I'm working for the devil because I'm thinking for myself and questioning his logic..

Sorry Bill, I'm not working for your devil. I don't believe in him. This isn't war. This is more like throwing rocks at retards-While it CAN be amusing for a short time-It still ain't right.

Hmm..Now that I think of it further-Maybe Bill DID answer the question I asked him-By pointing at his book. Maybe he's incapable of forming his own opinions and beliefs.

Where I come from, we call those kinda folks "zipperheads." (Unzip, add whatever you want to be in there-zip it back up.)

I guess this is what I get for asking the opinion of someone who is incapable of forming one.

I'm of the belief that ethics came before religion. I think people realized that they needed some rules to live by to improve the quality of their lives and because the simple folk at the time needed convincing, they needed some consequences to face for breaking those rules, the idea of an all-powerful, all-seeing 'ruler' was created *by man* to scare the savages into toeing the line.

That makes sense to me.

Oh. Yeah, Bill. How is it that people who don't blindly believe what YOU believe are in your own words, "Nothing?"

Who put YOU in charge of deciding what aspects of religion (of which atheism/agnosticism is one) are to be discussed in this forum?

I don't remember seeing "The Church Of Bill Gray. All others keep out." in the title of this forum....
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This wee story I wrote myself. I pray that you will enjoy it. Keep in mind that while the story is fictional, and the characters are fictional, there is so much truth in the tale itself. You might call it a prophetic short story.



I do believe that is the stupidest thing I've ever attempted to read. Don't give up your day job Bill.
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How can anyone learn from someone whose attitude is such that if you have to ask-You wouldn't understand?


Right. There is no superiority among true Christians: there is sharing and fellowship. There is so much that I don't know/understand. I have lots of questions. Sometimes I post them just to gain insight, different ways of looking at things. There is no right answer in matters of Faith. Sometimes people tell you, you wouldnt understand maybe because THEY don't understand. But I will say this, anyone that "dismisses" and acts in a condescending manner to someone questioning matters of Faith is **NOT** doing "God's work". **DISCLAIMER my opinion. not directed at any one person.
I don't know how you folks even know what " Mr. Bill" is saying. Someone asks a simple question and he writes a book on here to "try " and give an answer. I, too, am a Christian but I read books in the comfort of my den or bedroom....not here on the forum from someone who appears to be trying to save the world. Lost souls are our business but there are plenty out on the streets and in our neigborhoods that we could be witnessing to in the time it would take to read just one of his posts.As a Christian, I love you , Bill. Have a blessed day!!
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I bet God wouldn't lamblast people like that.

Hi Prag,

To answer your response, I must remind you of the story of the City Slicker, the Farmer, the Gentle Mule, and the 2X4. Yes, be gentle -- but, first, you have to get the Mule's attention.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by sandybeaches: I don't know how you folks even know what " Mr. Bill" is saying. Someone asks a simple question and he writes a book on here to "try " and give an answer. I, too, am a Christian but I read books in the comfort of my den or bedroom....not here on the forum from someone who appears to be trying to save the world. Lost souls are our business but there are plenty out on the streets and in our neigborhoods that we could be witnessing to in the time it would take to read just one of his posts.As a Christian, I love you , Bill. Have a blessed day!!

Hi Sandy,

In Ephesians 4:11-13 we are taught, "And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ."

While all Christian believers are called to share the Gospel with the world -- not all are given the same gifts. As this passage tells us, some are called as pastors, some as teachers, some as evangelists, etc., all for the building up and maturing of the body of Christ. I know that I have not been called as a pastor, nor as a street preacher -- but, through the gift of writing He has given me, I can evanglieze and teach. And, I can lead Bible studies. So, I use the gifts He has given me, thank Him for them, and do my best to follow His Great Commission.

Whether you read my writings or put me on Ignore -- I guess it all boils down to that old saying, "Different Strokes For Different Folks."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I bet God wouldn't lamblast people like that.

Hi Prag,

To answer your response, I must remind you of the story of the City Slicker, the Farmer, the Gentle Mule, and the 2X4. Yes, be gentle -- but, first, you have to get the Mule's attention.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Heh. Kinda reminds me of the story of the biker and the guy that had never seen his elephant's feet all leave the ground at once.

So this guy gets the idea that he'd like to see that. He posts an ad in the paper to that effect and invites all the townsfolk to come over and try to make this happen.
One after another, the people tried to make all the elephant's feet lesve the ground simultaneously. They tried to reason with the elephant, they tried talking nice to it, they tried lifting it's feet all at once but it was too heavy and they just could not do it.
Just about then this grizzled old biker rode by and wondering what these crazy people were all doing standing around an elephant..
He parks his bike and wanders up to the guy that owns the elephant and says "Saw you all standing around this critter and I couldn't help but wonder why?" The elephant's owner explained the situation to him and the old biker walked back to his Harley and unhooked his getback whip from the left handlebar and walked over to the elephant. Pondered for a minute and then walked around back of the elephant and hauled off and whacked it in the nether regions with the whip.

The elephant screamed and jumped 10 feet straight up in the air.

The old biker nodded to the elephant's owner and said "Now that's how ya do it." and got back on his bike and rode away.

After awhile, the elephant's owner realized he'd never seen his elephant shake his head up and down, ad then side-to-side.

Same deal. All the townsfolk trying to make the elephant do this.

Once again the old biker went roaring by, turned around and parked again. He walked up to the crowd and said "I thought i showed you how to do this last time!" and unhooked his whip again.

The elephant's owner explained this new situation.

The old biker just smiled and walked up to the front of the elephant and looked it square in the eye and said, "Remember me!?"

The elephant shook his head up and down.

"Want me to do it again!?"

The elephant's eyes bugged out and it shook it's head vigorously from side to side.....


The moral? Big dumb critters don't get it until ya rap 'em inna nuts with it.

Big Grin
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through the gift of writing He has given me, I can evanglieze and teach. And, I can lead Bible studies. So, I use the gifts He has given me,


Billy, I'm curious who told you that you have a gift of writing?
All I see you doing with your writings is making fun of people, putting them down, & telling stories of your past.
Ain't seen no love.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
through the gift of writing He has given me, I can evanglieze and teach. And, I can lead Bible studies. So, I use the gifts He has given me,

Billy, I'm curious who told you that you have a gift of writing? All I see you doing with your writings is making fun of people, putting them down, & telling stories of your past. Ain't seen no love.

Hi Chick,

When a guy who cannot put together two coherent sentences -- suddenly can write essays in a college writing class which get A and A+ grades -- that, in itself, is a miracle.

And, when others come to me to write for them because they respect my ability to put their thoughts in writing -- that is somewhat a miracle.

Since I cannot attribute this sudden ability to write, to express thoughts in words, to paint ideas in word -- to myself; I have to wonder where it originated. And the only logical explanation is that it is a gift from God.

And, narrative, sharing ideas through story form -- is one of the best ways of sharing knowledge.

Now, the fact that you feel no love -- could be because you are hiding from God and anyone who reminds you that God loves you -- in your mind is showing you hate. No, my Friend, we who share God with you are showing you love, very deep Christian love. For, if we did not love you with a Christian love -- we would not care about your eternal soul. Yet, we do care. That is why we share with you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The ones on here that dont like Bill are athiest, or gay. Lost Souls that dont want to be found due to the fact that if found, they would have to act like the have a brain. Instead they dont believe so that they can keep on sinning. They rather commit an offense or violation. Scabs on the Earth Wink
And a pita Big Grin
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Instead they dont believe so that they can keep on sinning. They rather commit an offense or violation. Scabs on the Earth Wink
And a pita Big Grin


...And you're just such a shining example of Christian righteousness. Big Grin

Oh, and speaking of acting like you have a brain.... Spelling and syntax would go a long way toward making that particular point. Normally I could care less if you typo'd, but seeing as how you're calling us non- believers stupid and all...

Mr. Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle. Smiler

Way to show the forum you're a right and proper Christian *Thumbs up!*

And you wonder why I have a problem believing???
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The ones on here that dont like Bill are athiest, or gay.


This could not be further from the truth. The ones one here who "don't like", or challenge Bill are also people who are not fundamentalists, and don't subscribe to his sola scriptura theories. There are several good Christians who challenge Bill on this forum.
That was a crude and inaccurate statement.
Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.
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Instead they dont believe so that they can keep on sinning. They rather commit an offense or violation. Scabs on the Earth Wink
And a pita Big Grin


...And you're just such a shining example of Christian righteousness. Big Grin

Oh, and speaking of acting like you have a brain.... Spelling and syntax would go a long way toward making that particular point. Normally I could care less if you typo'd, but seeing as how you're calling us non- believers stupid and all...

Mr. Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle. Smiler

Way to show the forum you're a right and proper Christian *Thumbs up!*

And you wonder why I have a problem believing???


Oh, I misspelled your name Big Grin Here you go atheist. Razzer
Your still a pita Wink
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Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.


The best you got. Roll Eyes
By the way, we really dont care what you think either deep Razzer
Your obsessed with atheist so why dont you find you a nice chat room and stay there with them?
You bore the hell out of me. Wink
How any times have you been banned now? Dont you get? Your not wanted here. Razzer
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The ones on here that dont like Bill are athiest, or gay.

This could not be further from the truth. The ones one here who "don't like", or challenge Bill are also people who are not fundamentalists, and don't subscribe to his sola scriptura theories. There are several good Christians who challenge Bill on this forum.
That was a crude and inaccurate statement.

Hi VP,

So you are upset with HadEnough because he/she left off "AND LIBERALS!"

There, I have added it. We must never forget our Liberal Theology Friends who insist the Bible is not the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God -- but, only a good guidebook, a book of myths and allegories.

When I think of the difference between the Conservative view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the Rock -- and the Liberal view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the sand; I am reminded of the parable Jesus told in the Bible.

VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. And, just for clarification, Peter is the little stone -- not the ROCK!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi HadEnough,

One thing you will learn about our atheist and secularist Friends is that their first line of defense is always to call everyone who disagrees with them: stupid, ignorant, uneducated, and a few other Dawkinesque names.

And, then, when that fails -- they begin to accuse Christians of wearing their hats, i.e., atheist, agnostic, secular, gay, etc.

I can only assume that their line of thinking is, assuming they have a line of thought, that by trying to tag us with their own failures to understand the Word of God -- it will scare us away and leave Forumland to them.

Sorry, my atheist, secular, and gay Friends -- that cannot work for one major reason:

"Our Father is greater than your father!"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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So you are upset with HadEnough because he/she left off "AND LIBERALS!"


No, Bill...I'm not upset with hadenough. Just clarifying the error. There are many Christians who also disagree with you. I am a Christian, not liberal. That's the only hat I wear.

"VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. "

Brother, I've been on the rock solidly for a long time. I do not need advice from you. I am firm in my faith, in my beliefs, and I do not have a shred of respect for anyone who tells me where I "NEED" to stand. My faith is known to God alone, and you are a very presumptuous man to judge that.
Hi VP,

I am not saying that you are a Liberal. However, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck -- odds are pretty good it is a duck.

You may say that you are not Liberal -- yet, the church which you keep telling us about is most certainly Liberal.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is Conservative in social issues. However, in matters of theology -- it is most certainly Liberal.

And, you are right. Only you and God knows your spiritual position; yet, like the fig tree, "fruit" without thorns is a very good indicator.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hadenough, Thanks for not bothering to refute my point.

Hi Deep,

Yes, we know. In your world, everyone who disagrees with your Darwinian Evolution religion is either: STUPID, IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED, GAY -- or all of the above.

Well, I guess that takes care of your ability to respond. Beyond those adjectives; you have nothing to offer.

So, RIP Darwinian Evolution and the Religion of Atheism.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Brother Bill,

In my world, everyone who disagrees with me is not necessarily gay. That is for Brother HadEnough.

I don't care about gay. I don't have a dog in that fight. Seems HadEnough does, and his gaydar is working overtime and needs calibration. He injects homosexuality into the most innocuous conversations.

I hope he finds a nice boy and settles down into a normal, satisfying homosexual relationship, I really do.

I doubt he will, as he attributes homosexuality to only those with whom he disagrees. Sounds like a rough home life to me, but what do I know?

TR
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Brother Bill,

In my world, everyone who disagrees with me is not necessarily gay. That is for Brother HadEnough.

I don't care about gay. I don't have a dog in that fight. Seems HadEnough does, and his gaydar is working overtime and needs calibration. He injects homosexuality into the most innocuous conversations.

I hope he finds a nice boy and settles down into a normal, satisfying homosexual relationship, I really do.

I doubt he will, as he attributes homosexuality to only those with whom he disagrees. Sounds like a rough home life to me, but what do I know?

TR


I'm not gay, are you? Big Grin
I know that I was raised in a better home than you and taught right from wrong. Wink
Did you move to San Francisco California in nice "cozy" home with a guy? lmao
You sure look, act and sound the part bud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_mol6B9z00

Yea I have seen you on youtube with your old McDonald song. Cool Razzer
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You may say that you are not Liberal -- yet, the church which you keep telling us about is most certainly Liberal.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is Conservative in social issues. However, in matters of theology -- it is most certainly Liberal.

And, you are right. Only you and God knows your spiritual position; yet, like the fig tree, "fruit" without thorns is a very good indicator.


You are really off your rocker. Show me someone without "thorns". Have you none?
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You may say that you are not Liberal -- yet, the church which you keep telling us about is most certainly Liberal.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is Conservative in social issues. However, in matters of theology -- it is most certainly Liberal.

And, you are right. Only you and God knows your spiritual position; yet, like the fig tree, "fruit" without thorns is a very good indicator.

You are really off your rocker. Show me someone without "thorns". Have you none?

Hi VP,

Go, find your Bible, and study the parable of the Fig Tree. Then, come back and let's talk about it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
through the gift of writing He has given me, I can evanglieze and teach. And, I can lead Bible studies. So, I use the gifts He has given me,


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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Billy, I'm curious who told you that you have a gift of writing? All I see you doing with your writings is making fun of people, putting them down, & telling stories of your past. Ain't seen no love.


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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
When a guy who cannot put together two coherent sentences -- suddenly can write essays in a college writing class which get A and A+ grades -- that, in itself, is a miracle.
the only logical explanation is that it is a gift from God.

Now, the fact that you feel no love -- could be because you are hiding from God and anyone who reminds you that God loves you -- in your mind is showing you hate.
Bill


Maybe you just decided to start applying yourself to learn instead of goofing off.

You've mis-quoted me again!! Roll Eyes
I didn't say that I didn't feel no love. What I said was "Ain't seen no love", as in the way you talk down to people.

If I were hiding from God (if He exist) & anyone who says God loves me, why would I be in the religion section. This would be the last place I would be. I don't think anyone is showing me hate. Those are your words, not mine.

You believe I'm hiding from God? Big Grin
I'm hiding from no one. I speak my mind & tell it as I see it. That's fine if you don't agree but you don't know me at all, so please dont pretend that you do.

For someone that thinks they have a gift of writing, you don't read very well or you would have known what I said.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.


The best you got. Roll Eyes
By the way, we really dont care what you think either deep Razzer
Your obsessed with atheist so why dont you find you a nice chat room and stay there with them?
You bore the hell out of me. Wink
How any times have you been banned now? Dont you get? Your not wanted here. Razzer


exactly how many times have YOU been banned?? i think many more times than deep.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
The ones on here that dont like Bill are athiest, or gay.

This could not be further from the truth. The ones one here who "don't like", or challenge Bill are also people who are not fundamentalists, and don't subscribe to his sola scriptura theories. There are several good Christians who challenge Bill on this forum.
That was a crude and inaccurate statement.

Hi VP,

So you are upset with HadEnough because he/she left off "AND LIBERALS!"

There, I have added it. We must never forget our Liberal Theology Friends who insist the Bible is not the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God -- but, only a good guidebook, a book of myths and allegories.

When I think of the difference between the Conservative view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the Rock -- and the Liberal view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the sand; I am reminded of the parable Jesus told in the Bible.

VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. And, just for clarification, Peter is the little stone -- not the ROCK!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


bill, you talk about liberal religions, but you dont seem to understand that if you moved back to the shoals area, YOU would be considered a LIBERAL.
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Bill, you talk about Liberal Religions, but you don't seem to understand that if you moved back to the Shoals area, YOU would be considered a LIBERAL.

Hi TCF,

Liberal can define Politics, Social Programs, and Christian beliefs.

For a definition of Liberal Politics -- I need only point you to Obama, Hillary, and their team. They are the perfect example of Far Left Liberal Politics. And, in my mind, they are bad for America.

Liberal Social Programs can be good. In 1933, FDR began Liberal Social Programs which helped pull America out of the Great Depression. But, Social Programs, like trade unions, are useful to correct a problem -- and then should be phased out. But, like trade unions, social programs just continue to grow -- until we have a welfare state. Liberal Social Programs are like a cancer -- they just get bigger and bigger, i.e, big government.

And, then, we have Liberal Theology which wants to redefine the Written Word of God -- to allegorize the Bible and to make it adapt to society's desires and lifestyles. A good example: in 1970, I was attending the Garden Grove Community Church, which grew into the Crystal Cathedral. In this church we had a Singles Group and each Sunday we would meet before the worship service.

One Sunday we had one of the pastors come to talk with us. When we questioned him on issues pertinent to single adults and how the Bible viewed these issues -- he told us, "Well, you have to remember, the Bible was written 2000 years ago -- and our society has changed since then. The Bible has to adapt to our current society." WRONG!

My Friend, this was a pastor in a large church telling us that the Bible should adapt to society's norms. No, in no way. Society adapts to God's norms. The Bible is like God -- it is timeless. God's moral values do not change with or adapt to society. That was the reason God told the Israelites to drive out or kill all the pagans when He brought them into the promised land; so, that the Israelites would not be tempted to adapt to the pagan society's morals and gods.

Yet, over and over again, the Israelites did not drive all the pagans out -- and, every single time -- the Israelites paid the price for adapting to the pagan societies and their gods.

Solomon, given the greatest of wisdom, riches, and power by God -- yet, told by God to have only one wife. What did Solomon do? For political expediency, he began to marry daughters from all the pagan lands -- until he ended up with 1000 wives and concubines from many nations. And, as wives will do -- especially those from royal families who are used to getting their way -- they soon had Solomon building pagan temples for their many gods. And, Solomon lost the blessing of God.

God has given us His Written Word, the Bible. In the Old Testament, He gave the Israelites the Ten Commandments and the Law. The Ten Commandments set the standards -- and the Law spelled out the details. The Law could not save anyone. It was only intended to make the people aware of their sins and give them a means of temporal atonement. The prophets and the Law pointed the Israelites toward their Messiah, Jesus Christ. This was the dispensation of the Law.

Jesus Christ came and brought us the New Testament, a New Covenant -- the dispensation of Grace. For by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- we can gain salvation. He came to be the "once for all" sacrifice for our sins and to offer us the "free gift" of salvation.

Jesus Christ knew the Scripture to be the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God -- and He often quoted Scripture in His teachings. If He did not believe Scripture to be the literal Word of God -- why would He have quoted it?

So, when Liberal Theology attempts to adapt the Bible to today's society -- they are denigrating the Written Word of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

TCF, my Friend, these are the different Liberal aspects of our society today. When you say that, if I were to return to the Shoals area to live -- I would be considered Liberal; how do you mean this?

I certainly am not Liberal in politics. I believe in limited Liberal Social Programs as long as they do not lead to bigger and bigger government. And, I most certainly do not believe in nor follow Liberal Theology.

It seems that I must ask you to explain what you meant in your statement that I would be considered a LIBERAL in the Shoals.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Instead they dont believe so that they can keep on sinning. They rather commit an offense or violation. Scabs on the Earth Wink
And a pita Big Grin


...And you're just such a shining example of Christian righteousness. Big Grin

Oh, and speaking of acting like you have a brain.... Spelling and syntax would go a long way toward making that particular point. Normally I could care less if you typo'd, but seeing as how you're calling us non- believers stupid and all...

Mr. Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle. Smiler

Way to show the forum you're a right and proper Christian *Thumbs up!*

And you wonder why I have a problem believing???


Oh, I misspelled your name Big Grin Here you go atheist. Razzer
Your still a pita Wink



To further Billy Joe Bob Gene's point, if I'm a PITA- You're doing it wrong. Smiler
i was speaking theological wise that a lot of things you have said would be considered very liberal in this area.
you have said many times that there is nothing wrong with having a glass of wine from time to time. that is a no-no to the conservative churchs here. if you admitted this in most of the area churchs you would not be allowed to join.
you have said that you believe children should be vaccinated, several churchs in the area teach against this because it is not biblical, god heals, medicine is a worldly thing.(the main stream churchs difer from this, but according to you they are liberal)
you are in an inter-racial marriage, that in itself would deny you membership in 90% of the local churchs. (eventhough the cathilics would welcome you with open arms, oh wait catholics are liberal)
do you ALLOW your wife to watch tv, listen to radio or be on the internet when you arent around? if so, you are a liberal because you arent there to protect her from tv shows, music or websites that may corrupt her.
that is just a few of the things that would make the very conservative churchs declare you a liberal, i am sure there are more.
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.


The best you got. Roll Eyes
By the way, we really dont care what you think either deep Razzer
Your obsessed with atheist so why dont you find you a nice chat room and stay there with them?
You bore the hell out of me. Wink
How any times have you been banned now? Dont you get? Your not wanted here. Razzer


exactly how many times have YOU been banned?? i think many more times than deep.


How many times have you been banned? Roll Eyes
You dont even know me, You know deep has been banned many times, so how many for you? 8, 10, 25? Eeker
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

When a guy who cannot put together two coherent sentences -- suddenly can write essays in a college writing class which get A and A+ grades -- that, in itself, is a miracle.


it's also what happenes every day when a kid decides to pay attention in class. a miracle of modern education.
Also, i'm not sure i'd call what you do is a gift. unless maybe it's the same sort that would call getting head lice a gift.

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Now, the fact that you feel no love -- could be because you are hiding from God and anyone who reminds you that God loves you -- in your mind is showing you hate.


it could also be that you don't understand the concept of love, or how to show it.
here's a hint:

" My friend, i fear for your soul if you don't repent these evil ways and accept the word of God"

Isn't a showing of love. it's a threat.

" hey.. you look worried about something. is there anything you'd like to talk about? i'm a prety good listener, and i don't judge people. if you ever feel the need to talk, about anything, you call me, day or night."

that's a little closer.

" HEY!!! YOU!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT MY LORD AND SAVIOR JEEEZUUUUS!!! HERE!! TAKE THESE TRACTS!!! PRAY WITH ME!!"

Zealot stalker version, and one i'm very familliar with. these people tend to get the answer " sorry. my soul is already commited, but if you like i can introduce you to the divine rights of Our Lord Uhla Tep. Just take off your clothes and follow me. Don't touch the Lok'Nar."

It tends to end the conversation pretty quick.

another good one to get rid of those 7am jehovah's witnesses - if they make a habit of your house, hang out wearing nothing but a robe in the morning. then when you answer the door drop the robe. tell them " oh.. oh my. i'm so sorry. i was waiting on the mailman."
this is even more effective if you're a guy.

sorry Bill. i've seen no evidence of Love given by you. i've seen insults, threats of punishment and long winded belittling.

sorry.. not threats. not punishment. a promise of total lack or rewards if they don't do what you tell them to do.

(I.E. Threats of punishment. if you don't do this, this will happen. that's a threat. either you get into heaven through the grace of god, or you burn in hell if you don't find that grace. that's punishemnt.)
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VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. And, just for clarification, Peter is the little stone -- not the ROCK!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Uhm.
Matthew 16:15-20 (King James Version)

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.


Hmm.. that last line also seems to contradict the line where you tell us he said for all of us spread his name.
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Hi Nagel,
Any mule, or board member, can copy/paste Scripture. But, can you explain what that passage means? Please, share your wisdom about this passage. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

Billy, the Jack*ss in your cartoon looks to be cursing. Is that the impression you wanted us to have?

Hi Chick,

No, he is speaking the Dawkinese Atheist language of insult and denigration. Although, I will agree with you that Dawkinese often does sound vulgar.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Uhm.
Matthew 16:15-20 (King James Version)

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.



This means that the Church, ie the BODY OF CHRIST is being entrusted to PETER. And thus begins the Apostolic Succession.
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Exactly. Fridays during Lent are days of abstinence. Which means no meat.
Hey, fasting and abstinence are good ways to be repenitent and obedient. Try it some time. Offer it up! See what blessings you find.

Help me, VP,

Show me the "Fish on Fridays" verse in the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Nagel,

Any mule, or board member, can copy/paste Scripture. But, can you explain what that passage means?

Please, share your wisdom about this passage.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Yes, i can explain it. it means what it says.

why don't YOU, instead, try and enlighten us about how Christ didn't really mean what he said, he meant something that only you can see.
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Originally posted by thenagel:


" HEY!!! YOU!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT MY LORD AND SAVIOR JEEEZUUUUS!!! HERE!! TAKE THESE TRACTS!!! PRAY WITH ME!!"




WITNESS???!!?? I didn't even see the ACCIDENT!!!
Big Grin


LOL.. that one took me a second. i'd been replying to bill and forgot to turn my brain back on.
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Exactly. Fridays during Lent are days of abstinence. Which means no meat.
Hey, fasting and abstinence are good ways to be repenitent and obedient. Smiler
Try it some time. Offer it up! See what blessings you find.


uhm.. Veep? i .. uhm.. gotta admit. i never understood the fish thing either.

i get the idea of lent and fasting (not so much on the abstinence thing, but you prolly mean something different) but i never did get why cows were fordidden on friday.
but i'm willing to learn Smiler
Back in the "day", meat was considered a luxury- it took a lot of money to have "meat" and raise cattle. Anyone could catch fish. So on days when we are called to be more spiritually aware, we fast and abstain, in order to be mindful of Christ's sacrifices. Physical hunger can trigger prayer, that's another benefit.
Fasting- only on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday
Abstinence- Friday's during Lent-
And no, not "that" kind of abstinence, lol. Abstaining from the "luxury" of meat is a tiny sacrifice, but that is what it stems from. People used to be much more rigid in fasting and abstinence, but, like everything, the rules are eased up, and now Red Lobster and Landry's are packed on Fridays- lol....not much of a sacrifice.
Anyway, Fasting is referenced at least twice in the bible

"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
—Matthew 6:16-18, NIV

In another place, Jesus said that while He was present in the flesh, His disciples did not observe the fasts (meaning probably the Monday and Thursday fasts), but that we would resume fasting after He ascended.

Then John's disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.”
—Matthew 9:14-15, NIV

So fish on fridays, is based on this- mourning for Jesus, being mindful of his sacrifice.
Also during Lent, we "give up" something= a sacrifice, something to offer up, in attempt to be penitent and humble, and sacrifice.
Hope that answers your question- If anyone else that practices these has anything to add/correct please feel free- I don't claim to have all the answers...Smiler
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Back in the "day", meat was considered a luxury- it took a lot of money to have "meat" and raise cattle. Anyone could catch

Hope that answers your question- If anyone else that practices these has anything to add/correct please feel free- I don't claim to have all the answers...Smiler


Yupp.. that covered it , thankies Smiler
and it acctually makes sense Smiler
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Originally posted by tcf531:
so bill, are you not going to reply as to why you would be considered a liberal?

Hi TCF,

Sorry, my Friend, but you will have to refresh my memory on this one. I cannot imagine anyone considering me a liberal.

I am Conserative in my faith.

I am Conservative in my politics.

And, I am Conservative in the social arena.

So, please help me on this one.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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