This is how the Democrats are going to handle the budget.
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thanks I need a laugh today
No problem:
You guys weren't very worried about the budget when you spent over a trillion dollars invading the wrong country after 9/11.
how else are they going to justify spending as much as the next 38 countries, on 'defense', COMBINE! .. btw, 37 of those countries are our allies!
Progressives really must believe the stuff grows on trees and need not be repaid.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
As to DoD costing more than other nations, Defense is one of the specific enumerated powers of the federal government. As our GDP is considerably larger than other nations, doesn't It stand to reason that we must spend more to protect ourselves.
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where were all these 'financially conservative' constitution hawks when W was president. i can't seem to find one topic about it, on these forums?
I wasn't posting back then.
where were all these 'financially conservative' constitution hawks when W was president. i can't seem to find one topic about it, on these forums?
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It seems to make a difference whether it's my guy or your guy.
Your guy, my guy, who cares. Liberalism has ruined the country. Guvment medical care, guvment education paid for by people that liberals bash.
Originally Posted by mad American:
Your guy, my guy, who cares. Liberalism has ruined the country. Guvment medical care, guvment education paid for by people that liberals bash.
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can you provide examples of where 'liberalism has ruined the country', please? i'd love to see your 'facts' to back up such a ridiculous claim.
I see the dems are trying to get into another of their wars they so dearly love, but how will they blame it on Bush?
I see the dems are trying to get into another of their wars they so dearly love, but how will they blame it on Bush?
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In the last 40 years, please list the wars the "dems" got us into.
I should have said ruining. But since you asked for examples.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
The no child gets ahead act,a.k.a. no child left behind.
The creation of homeland security, that's what our military is for.
The great society programs.
The dumbing down of our education system by lowering the standards. I remember when I was in elementary school a person had to score a seventy for a passing grade in school. For some reason it was lowered to sixty.
It doesn't matter whether an idea comes from a democrat or republican, any thing that enlarges the government is bad.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
The no child gets ahead act,a.k.a. no child left behind.
The creation of homeland security, that's what our military is for.
The great society programs.
The dumbing down of our education system by lowering the standards. I remember when I was in elementary school a person had to score a seventy for a passing grade in school. For some reason it was lowered to sixty.
It doesn't matter whether an idea comes from a democrat or republican, any thing that enlarges the government is bad.
Originally Posted by mad American:
I should have said ruining. But since you asked for examples.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
one liberal idea... held hostage and watered down by conservatives.
The no child gets ahead act,a.k.a. no child left behind.
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, President George W. Bush's education-reform bill, was signed into law on Jan. 8, 2002.
The creation of homeland security, that's what our military is for.
The Homeland Security Council (HSC) is an entity within the White House Office and was created by Executive Order 13228 on October 29, 2001
The great society programs.
i need more clarification of 'great society programs'.
The dumbing down of our education system by lowering the standards. I remember when I was in elementary school a person had to score a seventy for a passing grade in school. For some reason it was lowered to sixty.
couldn't have anything to do with the republicans cutting education funding, could it?
It doesn't matter whether an idea comes from a democrat or republican, any thing that enlarges the government is bad.
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seems most of the 'liberal ideas' you think are 'ruining our country' just happen to come from conservatives... seems you've made an error in your original statement. 
The dumbing down has nothing to do with funding! You can still have standards.
No child gets ahead is a liberal idea whether it came from a republican or democrat.
The unaffordable care act was is a sorry piece of legislation passed by sorry politicians. Praised by people that vote for idiots that passed a bill to see what was in it.
Naw ya don't. Look it up for yourself. The great government teat that keeps poor people poor, that is the definition of the great society.
No child gets ahead is a liberal idea whether it came from a republican or democrat.
The unaffordable care act was is a sorry piece of legislation passed by sorry politicians. Praised by people that vote for idiots that passed a bill to see what was in it.
Naw ya don't. Look it up for yourself. The great government teat that keeps poor people poor, that is the definition of the great society.
so, liberals are 'ruining america'.. but the items you presented were all conservative ideas.. now, the republican ideas you don't like, are 'liberal ideas', they just came from republicans.
gotcha.
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by mad American:
I should have said ruining. But since you asked for examples.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
The unaffordable care act and the higher taxes in it.
one liberal idea... held hostage and watered down by conservatives.
Those few conservative dems have been replaced starting in the 2010 election cycle.
The no child gets ahead act,a.k.a. no child left behind.
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, President George W. Bush's education-reform bill, was signed into law on Jan. 8, 2002.
That legislation was a piece of bipartisan stupidity. Ted Kennedy was a big proponent.
The creation of homeland security, that's what our military is for.
The Homeland Security Council (HSC) is an entity within the White House Office and was created by Executive Order 13228 on October 29, 2001
Yes, but that is just an advisory group not the hammer of goobermint like the Department of Homeland Security which actually arose from a Clinton era study. The creation of the DHS came from bipartisan legislation in 2002.
The great society programs.
i need more clarification of 'great society programs'.
The "Great Society" created welfare as we know it and was another product of one party rule getting a super-majority and a great waste of lives and trillions of dollars. Basically it was a program to sideline millions from the workforce, particularly minorities, for the benefit of others to inflate wages. LBJ is quoted to have said," I'll have them n-words (my editing) voting Democratic for two hundred years."
The dumbing down of our education system by lowering the standards. I remember when I was in elementary school a person had to score a seventy for a passing grade in school. For some reason it was lowered to sixty.
couldn't have anything to do with the republicans cutting education funding, could it?
Considering the way the yung'uns are taught, teachers unions and the quality of teachers; it doesn't matter how much money is thrown at education. Diplomas or certificates of attendance might as well be printed on toilet tissue.
It doesn't matter whether an idea comes from a democrat or republican, any thing that enlarges the government is bad.
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seems most of the 'liberal ideas' you think are 'ruining our country' just happen to come from conservatives... seems you've made an error in your original statement.
ok, it's plain to see.. for anyone wishing to look...
conservative mentality: 'even if a conservative did it, a liberal made them do it'. i believe this could be traced back to 'religion'.
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
ok, it's plain to see.. for anyone wishing to look...
conservative mentality: 'even if a conservative did it, a liberal made them do it'. i believe this could be traced back to 'religion'.
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The problem with using party affiliations of politicians to discern political philosophy, especially politicians of the past, is that liberals exist in both parties. It was once said that if the dems decided to burn down the Library of Congress in one night, Bob Dole would counter with a plan to burn it down one book at a time. "Tax and spend" and "regulate and rule" are stupid ideas, no matter which party came up with the idea.
There is no error in my statement anywhere. Bush was not a conservative. Obama is promising free college for two years, who is gonna pay for that? And one more time, a liberal idea is a bad idea no matter which party comes up with it.
Free college? This man is the example I gave on another thread, and jt jumped in to say he didn't 'believe me'. I gave him the link to the video and story, and of course he had no response, and no apology for basically calling me a liar. What this article doesn't mention, he was going to college to learn to play the guitar. Multiply this guy by the 1000s and you will get a hint of the fraud that is rampant in the give away programs.
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“I Don’t Have to Pay Rent Because I’m Me”
November 16, 2012
One of the biggest problems with America at the moment is the amount of people receiving and abusing entitlements. Last year alone United States spent $746 billion on welfare. That was more than what was spent on Social Security. It was also more than was spent on basic defense of United States. States contributed another $283 billion to welfare programs making the grand total spent on welfare in America to be $1.03 trillion.
And it’s only getting worse!
Some people cannot help but be on welfare while many others abuse the system as much as they possibly can.
That young man was receiving $22,000 a year for college tuition plus $1000 a month for living expenses plus $437 a month for rent, all paid by us taxpayers. And did you notice what he was doing with the money? None of the rent money was going for rent. He admitted that he was just spending it on himself, because after all, he was who he was. He didn’t feel that he needed to pay rent where he was living, because the young lady was blessed by just him being there.
Sadly this is a common attitude among many of today’s younger people who have been brought up on entitlements and feel that everybody owes them everything.
The reason the young lady wasn’t paying her rent was because the young man was not giving her the rent money that us taxpayers were giving him.
I firmly believe that welfare and other entitlement programs need to be revised, revamped and strictly enforced. In order for someone to continue to receive welfare money for rent they must show the receipts for when they used that money to pay the rent. After receiving the $22,000 a year for college, like that dead beat, he should have to show receipts and all expenditures in order to receive the same amount for the next year.
In other words if recipients of welfare and entitlements were forced to show proof of the use of those entitlements and welfare in order for it to continue, I believe that would go a long way to cleaning up the entire system and save the states and country billions of dollars. It may also force a lot of people to actually have to work and support themselves when they find they can no longer get the entitlements and sit on their lazy butts doing nothing. Perhaps this could have more of an impact on our economy than trying to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year as the president so desires.
Free college? This man is the example I gave on another thread, and jt jumped in to say he didn't 'believe me'.
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I see the dems are trying to get into another of their wars they so dearly love, but how will they blame it on Bush?
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In the last 40 years, please list the wars the "dems" got us into.
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Is this what you are referring to? You never did get around to answering it.
Even YOU aren't that addled are you?
Get real. Your post is an example of that lame brained dem deflection. YOUR question has been answered, many times. I'm not playing your game of you wanting me to provide proof a hundred times while you ignore it and move on to make some other asinine assertion. You never have an answer with proof, or a link.
Originally Posted by mad American:
There is no error in my statement anywhere. Bush was not a conservative. Obama is promising free college for two years, who is gonna pay for that? And one more time, a liberal idea is a bad idea no matter which party comes up with it.
You know who is!!! He is going to ROB money from middle Americans who actually did the sacrificing and put money away in a 529 college saving plan. Think they cannot just do the same to a ROTH IRA or your 401K? Yes those of us who actually do without and save for our future will complain. However we have reached the point in class warfare that right and wrong does not even matter to those how do not apply themselves or save.
In the last 40 years, please list the wars the "dems" got us into.
Best, you brought it up about the wars the dems love, now, answer my question. What wars are you referring to?
Originally Posted by jtdavis:
In the last 40 years, please list the wars the "dems" got us into.
Best, you brought it up about the wars the dems love, now, answer my question. What wars are you referring to?
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Viet Nam comes to mind -- it was in all the papers.
Go read my replies to your old posts jt, where you asked this and was answered. I already did my work, I'm not doing yours.
One of the greatest ways to start a war is via pacifism. The appearance of cowardice set WW2 in motion because Neville Chamberlain, FDR, and other leaders chose not to confront the rise of the dictators in Europe or confront the Japanese Empire in China. Likewise Clinton bears responsibility and now Obama for the rise of jihadi armies and new wars in foreign lands.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:
In the last 40 years, please list the wars the "dems" got us into.
Best, you brought it up about the wars the dems love, now, answer my question. What wars are you referring to?
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Viet Nam comes to mind -- it was in all the papers.
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for a 'retired accountant', you aren't very good with numbers.
Go read my replies to your old posts jt, where you asked this and was answered. I already did my work, I'm not doing yours.
Does this forum have a "history" link?
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You still haven't listed the wars the dems started in the last 40 years.
Yes I have listed them, many times. Go find them, they're in replies to you. I'm not going to do your work for you.
Originally Posted by jtdavis:
Go read my replies to your old posts jt, where you asked this and was answered. I already did my work, I'm not doing yours.
Does this forum have a "history" link?
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You still haven't listed the wars the dems started in the last 40 years.
they just don't quickly come to her mind now jt.
Yes, I know Nam was a bit more than 40 years ago. However, I don't want anyone to forget that Dems started the useless war that killed ten times as many Americans as the recent two wars And, tore the nation apart. At least, the war in Afghanistan had a justification.