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what about the "f" word?

There is something sort of common and trashy about the use of such words. Both my parents taught me that such language is not respectful and reflects ignorance. I have used the words, of course, but every time I have I recalled my parent and felt a little ashamed. I have seen people stop a good rational conversation immediately by using such language. Its not acceptable, it makes people uncomfortable and it does nothing to further civility. In short, it makes people who use them look just like my parents said it did - trashy, common, poorly educated. If thats the look they are going for - fine with me.

personally...i try to live and let live snake...but it is especially offensive when i am out somewhere and minding my own business yet cannot concentrate or even tolerate whatever i may b doing anymore because of someone else's mouth

Of course there has always been trash talk and profanity, but you are right in that it is a lot worse in the last few years. I hear words used in mixed company that just a few years ago would only be used around single sex groups.

I personally attribute this to the rise of rap and hip-hop music. There are songs about body parts that would be censored on this forum. Just go to one of the local night spots and listen to the lyrics for a while, you will be amazed.

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Originally posted by 1hardhead:
personally...i try to live and let live snake...but it is especially offensive when i am out somewhere and minding my own business yet cannot concentrate or even tolerate whatever i may b doing anymore because of someone else's mouth

I understand what you are saying.I hate hearing filth and name calling in public. Like I said - it only makes the people doing it look like gutter trash.

Curious----anyone else on here ever have their mouth washed out with soap, literally?
Yuccckkk.

I was raised in a profantity free home. My grandmother once gave me a lecture for using the word "darn." Both of my husband's had gutter mouths.
#1 thought it made him sound tough.HA.
#2 said it was so common in his work enviroment that he wasn't aware of using it outside of work.
Funny how he always became very aware of it, and never used it, when his mother was around.

Using profantiy shows a lack of respect.....you don't repsect yourself enough to present yourself as an educated, intelligent person and you don't respect those around you.

I agree, snake.

Just as common courtesy is a reflection of the person who offers it, using graceless language is also a reflection of the person who uses it.

When you hear someone using the N-word, whether it is a rapper or a redneck, pity that person.

DF

This is a GREAT post, with a LOT of meaning!!! Thanks for posting this!!!

Nothing bothers me more than hearing a bunch of kids sitting around in a resturant or elsewhere and every other word out of their mouth is MF, SOB, N, all the words that is politically incorrect for me to say... Of course, I wouldn't say them anyway... (My dearly departed loving Mom would STILL kick me if I did, lol) But I am also so sick of all the double, triple and sometimes quadruple standards put on us Americans..

Sometimes I would just LOVE to go on a talk show and say... HEY, I AM AN AMERICAN, I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, I CAN SAY WHAT I WANT, EVEN USE BAD LANGUAGE, BUT CHOOSE NOT TO BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN WITH "CHARACTER"... It is getting to the point that we are going to have to stand up for HUMAN/AMERICAN rights and trow the sideline 'rights' out the window and just have AMERICAN RIGHTS....

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
I agree, snake.

Just as common courtesy is a reflection of the person who offers it, using graceless language is also a reflection of the person who uses it.

When you hear someone using the N-word, whether it is a rapper or a redneck, pity that person.

DF

DF, I detest the "N" word, but I hear it more out of Afro Americans that I EVER hear out of a redneck. Since I don't listen to Rap, then I don't hear it there...

But by far, the AfroAmericans use the N word more than any redneck, or any other culture I have seen.

When did AMERICA, land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE, choose to concern itself with people's FEELINGS? LIFE is UNfair and feelings GET hurt. Live with it......

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
When did AMERICA, land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE, choose to concern itself with people's FEELINGS? LIFE is UNfair and feelings GET hurt. Live with it......

Live with it . . . OR GET IN REHAB!

dogsoldier, I don't think this thread is about whether or not the words hurt someone's feelings. It's pointing out that to the person hearing it, crude or rude language reflects ignorance. I don't know if it is conscience or sub-conscience, but I have that reaction, too.

Whenever I hear someone who has to use curse words in every sentence, I think of an old teacher I had, She said if people had a better grasp of the english language they could express themselves with out the filthy speach.

funny, I had a teacher say the samething......must be a teacher thing?

Banning any word is ridiculous! Are we not supposed to have free speech?

Actually Joy. the subject was about peoples feelings being hurt by the "N" word and that it should be banned. Granted it is not a great word, but I also hear it more out of African American Males, than anybody else. And I have to agree with DogSoldier, we have got to a point that we dare not let anyone have a hurt feeling. Thats a crock!! I see parents worried about that kids losing a ballgame, not having the latest in style clothes, etc.. and that there poor feelings are going to get hurt. These are life lessons that we all went thru, and I dont feel insecure about anything, just the opposite..it taught me that I had to work hard to win or accomplish the things I wanted to. So come on AMERICA..it's word! People who call someone the "N" word, is nothing mmore than one themselves.

Rat n Woodpile...oops, it actually did begin that way in the first post, but as usual, we took it in a different direction than perhaps intended.

What gets me is the use of "offensive" words by a race against their own race, but it is offensive if another race uses it against the other race. You all know what word I am referring to, and someone earlier mentioned it.

Now, this same race says the word "Negro" is slightly offensive to them, yet, they have the United Negro College Fund ("a mind is a terrible thing to waste"). How can this be? Negro is actually Spanish for Black. What is offensive about that? And if one of their cash cows ueses the word, how is it offensive?

Same goes for "colored". They have the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Yet, they claim the word "colored" is offensive to them. Another example of hypocritic use of a word.

Another word or group of words, "wet back", is "offensive" to Hispanics in the SW USA. Well, if you are an illegal alien, and swim (more like wade across, as the Rio Grande is very shallow, sometimes, not even wet as the water dried up) across, well, you are technically a wet back, as your back got wet if you swam across.

Gay...another word whose meaning has changed. Used to, gay meant "happy". Now, it means homosexual, more times than not specifically, a homosexual male (lesbian is the female homosexual person). The song "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" has the line: "..we will all be gay when Johnny comes marching home.." which means we will all be happy when Johnny comes home from the war. Now, if you sing that in school, I am sure that the kids today have to drop the gay word and use something else.

*** or ******. Go to England, a *** is a cigarette. It was used in the 1950's America to mean that also. Now, to some, it is a "derogatory" term for a homosexual person.

Queer used to mean "strange or odd". Now, it is used to reference a homosexual individual. How many of ya'll remember playing "Smear the Queer" on the playground? (where a group yells "smear the queer" and the hapless victim is jumped upon by the crowd).

Yep, our words change. What may be offensive today could be acceptable tomorrow. Or vice-versa. That is what happens when the PC Police get in over their head.

Thanks for the (albeit truncated) etymological debriefing. Prior to this morning lesson, I know not what I might have said if a young lady approached me and inquired as to whether I might be a lesbian. "Why no," I might have offered, "I've never even been to Greece, much less Lesbos!"

Etymology only partially aside, it's true that the meanings of words evolve and shift with time. Regardless, there is one central theme behind the usage of those words that tends to become tiring and wearisome without change:

"Me"..."the other";
"I"..."they";
"Our"..."their";
"Us"..."them."

Too bad the trend of being xenophobically normative doesn't tend to have the fluid boundaries of usage, nor does it change course as often as language.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
dogsoldier, I don't think this thread is about whether or not the words hurt someone's feelings. It's pointing out that to the person hearing it, crude or rude language reflects ignorance. I don't know if it is conscience or sub-conscience, but I have that reaction, too.

Well said Joy.. I think most of us really tread lightly to keep from hurting someone from another culture's feelings or stepping on their toes...

But how much of a double standard is it for those other cultures to slam us for saying ANYTHING, all the while they SAY it, they SING it, and they use it all the time.

I never hear it from my culture, but I do from the very culture that downs us for even 'thinking' it.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
dogsoldier, I don't think this thread is about whether or not the words hurt someone's feelings. It's pointing out that to the person hearing it, crude or rude language reflects ignorance. I don't know if it is conscience or sub-conscience, but I have that reaction, too.

Might I ask 'how old you are'? I ask, because, at 45, I feel a LARGE part of our AMERICAN society has been BRAINWASHED by the liberal media to believe that 'hurt feelings' (be it by speech or actions) are 'offensive' and should be legislated.

As an aside, I had a former boss (principal) that REFUSED to have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd place 'winner' on Field Day because HE didn't think there should be any 'losers'. What happened to the American competetive spirit????

The dictionary defines "fighting word" as a word likely to provoke a fight.
Arizona Revised Statutes define Fighting words as any word, phrase or statement intended to provoke the subject to a violent reaction. It is a crime to use them. No specific word or words are delineated. Taht particular law considers fighting words to be assaults. Think about it. If you want to provoke a fight, you have a number of options, including a swift kick in the backside. Or a few well chosen insults.

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
dogsoldier, I don't think this thread is about whether or not the words hurt someone's feelings. It's pointing out that to the person hearing it, crude or rude language reflects ignorance. I don't know if it is conscience or sub-conscience, but I have that reaction, too.

Might I ask 'how old you are'? I ask, because, at 45, I feel a LARGE part of our AMERICAN society has been BRAINWASHED by the liberal media to believe that 'hurt feelings' (be it by speech or actions) are 'offensive' and should be legislated.

As an aside, I had a former boss (principal) that REFUSED to have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd place 'winner' on Field Day because HE didn't think there should be any 'losers'. What happened to the American competetive spirit????

Sure. I'm 39 & holding...tightly.
Legislated? Are you exaggerating to make a point or are you being serious? That's messing with freedom of speech, which, as far as I know, nobody here is willing to give up.

I agree with you about not letting kids compete...that's silly. If he wanted to acknowledge less athletic kids, he should have included contests that showed their strengths, like art, trivia, music, etc.

Just a question . . .
I really don’t mean to ruffle any feathers, but I would like an honest answer.

What would happen if an organization, say The National Association for the Advancement of White People, held an awards show where the nominees were exclusively white?
http://www.naacpimageawards.net


Is there a Miss White America pageant?

I see the NY Times-owned Florence Times-Tri-Cities Daily ADMIN, err, free speech police, has gone in and played games with my post.

Hey, forum-Nazi's: why don't you READ the post for context instead of banning words individually? Oh, I see....some of ya'll must took offense...If you took offense, then ya'll would take offense at Webster's Dictionary.

You admin, err, Nazi's, are a joke.

All of your posts have been interesting, I guess, but no one has addressed my proposal to also ban the "M" word. Would anybody like to try again?
Brent, sing us Rocky's song.

so, what is the m word, muslim? and, one other thing, there are not any real african americans here in america, and not many. I believe if your an african/ american, it means you were born in africa, otherwise, all white people would be european americans. People are too sensative these days.

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Originally posted by granolabars:
so, what is the m word, muslim? and, one other thing, there are not any real african americans here in america, and not many. I believe if your an african/ american, it means you were born in africa, otherwise, all white people would be european americans. People are too sensative these days.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't know what the "M" word was - LOL

I also would like to know what is the 'm' word?

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Originally posted by Quarrles:
All of your posts have been interesting, I guess, but no one has addressed my proposal to also ban the "M" word. Would anybody like to try again?
Brent, sing us Rocky's song.

The Dog-Face Soldier Song:

I wouldn't give a bean, to be a fancy pants Marine...I would rather be a dog-face solider like I am...

I wouldn't trade my old OD's for all the Navy's dungarees...for I'm the walking pride of Uncle Sam...

On Army posters that I read it says "Be all that you can.." so they're tearing me down to build me over again...

I'm just a Dog-Face Soldier, with a rifle on my shoulder...I eat raw meat for breakfast ev'ry day....

So feed me ammunition, keep me 3rd Division, your Dog-Face Soldier is A-Oh-Kay!!

Hey, is that why dogsoldier goes by that name? Because he was in the army? Thanks for sharing that, Brentenman.

I'm not sure but I think Quarrles was afraid to put the whole abbreviation. He would have added an "F" after the "M" but may have thought TD would delete it. That's my guess anyway. I don't think you can ban a word (freedom of speech), but that one will probably get you a beatin', at least around here. We love our mommas.

Kinda like s,o,b. That one will get you hurt too.

The words GD should also never be used. Its hateful and one other thing, if you say that words do not cut like a knife. The bible says that our tongues are like fire. People have to go into therapy from being verbally abused by someone. So words do affect things. But, io think people are to pc and to scared and sensitive in the world today.

Could the 'M'-word possibly be referring to 'Mississippi'?

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Hey, is that why dogsoldier goes by that name? Because he was in the army? Thanks for sharing that, Brentenman.

Dog face soldier or "doggies" is another US Army nickname, especially during WW1 (when this song was written for the 3ID). The Marines called Army soldiers "doggies", as well as "doughboy." Doughboy comes from the time the US Army was on the Mexican Border chasing Pancho Villa in 1916 with GEN Blackjack Pershing. The troops rode horses, kicking up the SW US desert and dust, making them look like the color of dough, hence the name "Doughboy".

3ID has the following nicknames: The Marne Division, The Rock of the Marne...Tigress and Euphrates (the T and E part added during OIF-1), the Marne Express (because 3ID is always deployed or on the verge of deploying), etc. The Marne comes from the Marne River in France. During the Second Battle of the Marne in 1918, the 3ID stopped a German offensive from reaching Paris, hence the Rock of the Marne.

Rocky is the Division mascot. He was drawn by the Walt Disney Company for the 3ID in 1965, and the copyright sold to the Division in 1965 for $1.