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From Mitt Romney, the LOSER:

 

"I’ll look at what’s happening right now, I wish I were there. It kills me not to be there, not to be in the White House doing what needs to be done. The president brings people together, does the deals, does the trades, knocks the heads together; the president leads. And—and I don’t see that kind of—of leadership happening right now."

http://www.newser.com/story/16...-not-to-be-prez.html

 

And Boo-Hoo from HER, too:

 

<<<Ann Romney on the media: “But it was not just the campaign’s fault. I believe it was the media’s fault as well, is that he was ... being given a fair shake, that people weren’t allowed to really see him for who he was." Asked why, she said, “I’m happy to blame the media.”>>>

 

Hey, Ann, we did see him for what he was--the elitist who said that 47% of Americans were shiftless parasites.

 

Advice to the Romneys:  YOU LOST.  GET OVER IT!   

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Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Didn't vote for Obama, but I have to agree that including Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits in the 47% was idiotic.

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I would have to agree with you that it would be idiotic to include Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits in the 47% since that is not what he said.

 

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like."

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like."



I didn't vote for Romney. However, the above statement is 100% spot on. 

Originally Posted by F350:
Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Didn't vote for Obama, but I have to agree that including Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits in the 47% was idiotic.

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I would have to agree with you that it would be idiotic to include Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits in the 47% since that is not what he said.

 

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like."

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What he said was that ALL of the 47% who pay no income tax also "...are dependent

upon government...believe that they are victims... believe that government has a responsibility to care for them ... believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it." He offers so exceptions to this grand pronouncement.

 

There might indeed be something like 47% of taxpayers who  pay no federal income tax (the actual figure for 2012 is 45%), but to jump from that fact to arbitrarily assign all those other characterizations to that group is irresponsible, careless and incorrect .  In his accusation, Romney would have us believe that he has somehow gotten into the heads of all of those millions of people and determined that ALL of them  "...are dependent upon government...believe that they are victims... believe that government has a responsibility to care for them ... believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

 

Many of that 47% pay social security taxes of 6.5 to 13.0% of their  earnings, depending on whether they are employed by others or self-employed.  Many of them do receive health care through Medicare, having made payments to the government in anticipation of the need for such care. That is the same system that pays many of the medical expenses of retired millionaires. Are not both classes of Medicare dependents equally "entitled to health care" from that system? Some of these non-federal income tax payers are recipients of Veterans' benefits, having honorably served their country in the armed forces.  Some receive payments from the Social Security system having contributed for years to that system in anticipation of benefits promised.

 

Your assertion that none of the 47% of whom Romney spoke includes persons receiving Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits  can not be logically inferred from what he actually said.  For that to be true, it would mean that after all the non-income tax paying beneficiaries   of all those systems are subtracted from the grand total of those who pay no federal income tax, there would still be enough non-income tax payers remaining to comprise the dependent class Romney describes--the 47%.   He made no pretext of having considered this calculus and of course he did NOT consider it.  He simply left it for those who, like you, are disposed to gin up improbable assumptions in crafty attempts  to soften the harshness of what he actually said.

 

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