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There should be teacher firings, maybe a good old ***kicking too, and lawsuits against the school system. This is disgusting!!

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Second Graders Spend Recess Protesting Ferguson. Are They Too Young?

 

The 20-odd people chanting “Honk if you want justice,” on a New Bedford, Massachusetts sidewalk Dec. 12 got a lot of attention. They were second graders, rallying against police for the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. While the rest of their class enjoyed 11:30 recess that morning, these 7 and 8-year-old protesters stood by the side of the road in front of the Alma Del Mar Charter School holding signs including one that read, “Please don’t shoot me, Ferguson.”

While the students were eager to get involved in the cause, not all of their parents were so thrilled.

George Borden, the father of one participant and a policeman in New Bedford, told WHDH that discovering his 7-year-old had participated in the protest and finding a flyer in her backpack urging people to join a weekend protest “against the unjust systems that allow police officers to kill Black men and boys with impunity,” was “horrific to me.” He says he only learned about the protest after a friend sawBorden told WHDH his daughter asked him, “Daddy, do you shoot people?” And now he wants an apology from his daughter’s teacher.
Yet Will Gardner, the school’s founder and executive director, stands by the school’s decision to let the kids protest, saying it was allowed as part of lesson in civics. Gardner told The Boston Globe that the class’s teacher had sent a note home with her students Dec. 10 alerting parents that the class would be discussing diversity and “issues covered by the media,” and offering kids an opt-out of the talks if parents so chose. The protest “wasn’t something the teacher planned,” he said. “It was something the kids did.”
“We discourage our teachers from sharing their own political and religious views with their scholars,” Gardner added. “[But] we certainly want our scholars to engage in activities that help them to understand what it means to be citizens and what it means to be a democracy.”

 

But how young is too young to start talking with kids about violence, including the events in Ferguson, that many adults still have trouble wrapping their heads around?

Learning about protesting is “entirely appropriate for this age group,” family therapist Dr. Paul Hokemeyer tells Yahoo Parenting. “Seven and 8-year-olds are at the point in their development when they are learning to find their place in the world and are becoming less focused on self and more focused on others. To facilitate this growth, its important they know they have a voice in the world and that their voice is validated and heard.”
When it comes to talking and showing incidents of violence though, parents and educators must tread with care.

 

“If violence is involved in any way, even talk of shootings and such, the danger is that it will exacerbate all of the normal fears kids have at this age,” Dr. Alan Kazdin, a Professor of Psychology and Child Psychiatry at Yale University tells Yahoo Parenting. “That can come out in the child starting to have nightmares, anxiety, crying. You really want to be careful about not fueling natural fears. So if a parent has a sensitive child, withdrawn at all or prone to anxiety, you’d want him or her out of these types of discussions.”
Showing kids scenes of violence on TV or in photos is also a bad idea, says the Director of The Yale Parenting Center because it leaves them vulnerable to the influence of modeling.

 

“Exposure to violence won’t be ruinous to every child,” says Kazdin, noting that age matters less than the child’s personality. “It really depends on the child’s temperament. So if you’re a parent, you want to make the decision whether or not your child is exposed to it.” Ultimately talking about shootings and violence is hard for kids to comprehend and, frankly, scary. “And we don’t want more things to scare children.” 

https://www.yahoo.com/parentin...on-105366598412.html



 

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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I'm the liberal, bleeding heart, progressive, democrat. The kids had no business being out there protesting. The teacher and school was wrong to allow it to happen. The kids didn't think of it on their own. Some adult put it in their heads to do it.

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Really? You have a problem with this? You, the one that keeps insisting the cops murdered gardner, even with all the proof against that claim? What a hypocrite!! YOU are the very one that would do something like this.

It's a charter school. You know, the for profit type that the right wingers want your tax dollars to go to.

 

 Really? You have a problem with this? You, the one that keeps insisting the cops murdered gardner, even with all the proof against that claim? What a hypocrite!! YOU are the very one that would do something like this.

You keep bring up the fact that the film showed a live man who died after the cops roughed him up. You keep saying not murder, you refuse to believe that his death was the result of police brutality. You are in your own little would. You have your own make believe facts. Keep enjoying them.

You keep bring up the fact that the film showed a live man who died after the cops roughed him up. You keep saying not murder, you refuse to believe that his death was the result of police brutality. You are in your own little would. You have your own make believe facts. Keep enjoying them.

 

No jt, I have the facts that authorities gave us. You keep calling it murder even after they have said it isn't. So just which one of us is making up facts? Just like that lie you tried to run by us about the coroner calling it homicide, but leaving off the definition he was using. Homicide but NOT murder. Fact, the man confronted the police and told them they were not going to arrest him. Fact, he was going to walk away. Fact he was engaged in illegal activity that he engaged in ALL the time. Fact, he knew his medical condition but still thought he could tell the police the way it was going to be.  Who besides  a thug that feels entitled to do what he wants to do would do that? Fact, you will not answer the question because you know your stance is ridiculous. What should the police have done? Let him walk away and go about his illegal activities? If you have medical issues you should be allowed to break the law and walk away? If you have medical issues you should be able to fight the police and be left alone? Come on jt, tell us.

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What the coroner actually said, "homicide but not murder".  Calling it murder and leaving out what the coroner actually said is more of the left trying to push those fake news stories.

 

  Homicide is the killing of one person by another.  Murder is a form of criminal homicide, where the perpetrator intended to kill the other person, sometimes with premeditation   Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, or law enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

 Let's read that again, shall we?

 Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, or law enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

Fact, the man confronted the police and told them they were not going to arrest him. Fact, he was going to walk away. Fact he was engaged in illegal activity that he engaged in ALL the time. Fact, he knew his medical condition but still thought he could tell the police the way it was going to be.  

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Did you hear him say,"you are not going to arrest me"

He did look like he was walking away

Was he engaged in illegal activity or suspected of illegal activity?

Medical condition and telling the police something. I don't get that one.

Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, orlaw enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

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Are you saying anytime a law enforcement person kills someone in the line of duty, it is excusable or justifiable homicide?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

It's a charter school. You know, the for profit type that the right wingers want your tax dollars to go to.

 This is a deflection and a false statement.  Most charter schools exist as a partnership of parents and the school district operating under a charter and subject to the same funds as an equivalent sized purely public school would receive.  JT, we've been over this before,  ADD?

 

 Really? You have a problem with this? You, the one that keeps insisting the cops murdered gardner, even with all the proof against that claim? What a hypocrite!! YOU are the very one that would do something like this.

You keep bring up the fact that the film showed a live man who died after the cops roughed him up. You keep saying not murder, you refuse to believe that his death was the result of police brutality. You are in your own little would. You have your own make believe facts. Keep enjoying them.

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, orlaw enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

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Are you saying anytime a law enforcement person kills someone in the line of duty, it is excusable or justifiable homicide?

 

I am not saying anything, that is the definition, and all your squawking about murder doesn't change it. Why don't you read a few things and try to educate yourself a little bit? Again, are cops supposed to just walk away, or let the criminal walk away, because the criminal doesn't want to be arrested? Why is that question so hard for you to answer?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Dire, the link that Best included in her post called the school a "charter school". I don't know where the red lettered statement came from, not from reality.  They are a for profit business and usually have very good ball teams.

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The red lettered statement was my rebuttal. Wiki, in the main, agrees with my statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school

 

As to good ball team -- its a grammar school. 

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, orlaw enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

Best, you posted it

Yes jt, I did that thing you claim you can't do and searched. Then I posted the meaning for you. Now I know you don't have a lot of smarts, but to start claiming something I copy and paste from a site is MY statement/definition is lame even for you. I even gave you the link on the other thread. Now I know you claim you can't search, but are you telling us now you can't even click on a link??

Just for you jt, one more time. Read it slowly or get a five year old to explain it to you. Notice the link? You claimed the coroner said murder, then you left off the 'rest of the story'. Why don't you go argue with the coroner and the grand jury?

 

 

What the coroner actually said, was "homicide but not murder". More of the left trying to push those fake news stories.

 

  Homicide is the killing of one person by another.  Murder is a form of criminal homicide, where the perpetrator intended to kill the other person, sometimes with premeditation   Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, or law enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

 Let's read that again, shall we?

 Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, or law enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/fe...murder-homicide.html

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