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People you personally know/know of abusing social programs

something2saysomething2sayEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
My wife before we were married was a victim of fraud and abuse by those who receive "the check."

This Negro (stating fact here) female my wife rented her townhouse too had 2 kids, different fathers, not married, received welfare, had no good job (she was a "secretary" or something like that). Later, we found out she had several boyfriends that would come and "visit". One of the poor kids might have been an honor student (we found some homework in the trash that led us to believe this).

My wife was referred her by a friend of the Negro female tenant. Unfortuneately, my wife (soon to be fiance at the time) didn't do a very good background check at (she should have gone to the couthouse and ran her SSN.....she didn't know about this at the time), mainly due to the fact she had never had a problem renter, and she didn't fully know the "system" like this Negro tenant did.

1st months rent paid. 2nd month: "I went to K-Mart (could have been Piggly Wiggly, not sure) to cash my "check". Well, while I was buying groceries, I left my purse in the car, and my purse was stolen.....(lie #1).

My wife, being nice that she is, gave her 90 days to pay up. Other months rent came either on the 5th or 6th, last minute type....

2 weeks prior to the 90 days being up, and nothing paid, my wife notified her in writing that it is due, or eviction papers will be filed at magestrate court. Guess what: here comes the racism!!! She didn't pay the rent. She made harrassing phone calls and excuses, using racial overtones ("you white people this, you white people that.." as a note, we kept the voice messages as proof for use later in court, in fact, a deputy sheriff wrote a police report based upon the messages she left).

In court, she showed up wearing nice clothes, all prim and propper. Judgement went to my wife in sum of backrent and damages to the property, but the late charges were dropped. She had 7 days to vacate and pay up. She left after 8 days with sheriff deputy escourt. We never saw a dime of back rent, and my wife still has a judgement on her that is open. Then, get this: the Negro tenant STILL called for up to 2 weeks AFTER her eviction, wanting her deposit....It took a deputy sheriff to explain to her "sure, after you pay the judgement, then you could possibly get your deposit..." Oh, the judgement ALSO included over $5000 worth of damages to the townhouse....My wife spent 2 months cleaning, painting, etc. and these worthless people wrecked it.

Afterward, we found out she was evicted 30 days from her next place of abode after my wife had her evicted. Then, we found out she had 2 felony convictions and over 30 misdemeanors. My wife from then on always did a complete background check at the courthouse whenever she rented new tenants. Happiness was when she sold the property 2 years later.

The federal government states that landlords cannot discriminate when you rent. Well, tough. We will discriminate based upon legal status, past history, etc. and overall appearance. Too many people take advantage of people and know the system. It is pathetic.


understand why you are upset but I think we still would have got the picture if you just said "This woman" not making anything out of this just wanted to stay on the topic before someone make this out of a "Negro do this all the time" type of thing.
something2saysomething2sayEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
Originally posted by something2say:
quote:
Originally posted by Brentenman:
My wife before we were married was a victim of fraud and abuse by those who receive "the check."

This Negro (stating fact here) female my wife rented her townhouse too had 2 kids, different fathers, not married, received welfare, had no good job (she was a "secretary" or something like that). Later, we found out she had several boyfriends that would come and "visit". One of the poor kids might have been an honor student (we found some homework in the trash that led us to believe this).

My wife was referred her by a friend of the Negro female tenant. Unfortuneately, my wife (soon to be fiance at the time) didn't do a very good background check at (she should have gone to the couthouse and ran her SSN.....she didn't know about this at the time), mainly due to the fact she had never had a problem renter, and she didn't fully know the "system" like this Negro tenant did.

1st months rent paid. 2nd month: "I went to K-Mart (could have been Piggly Wiggly, not sure) to cash my "check". Well, while I was buying groceries, I left my purse in the car, and my purse was stolen.....(lie #1).

My wife, being nice that she is, gave her 90 days to pay up. Other months rent came either on the 5th or 6th, last minute type....

2 weeks prior to the 90 days being up, and nothing paid, my wife notified her in writing that it is due, or eviction papers will be filed at magestrate court. Guess what: here comes the racism!!! She didn't pay the rent. She made harrassing phone calls and excuses, using racial overtones ("you white people this, you white people that.." as a note, we kept the voice messages as proof for use later in court, in fact, a deputy sheriff wrote a police report based upon the messages she left).

In court, she showed up wearing nice clothes, all prim and propper. Judgement went to my wife in sum of backrent and damages to the property, but the late charges were dropped. She had 7 days to vacate and pay up. She left after 8 days with sheriff deputy escourt. We never saw a dime of back rent, and my wife still has a judgement on her that is open. Then, get this: the Negro tenant STILL called for up to 2 weeks AFTER her eviction, wanting her deposit....It took a deputy sheriff to explain to her "sure, after you pay the judgement, then you could possibly get your deposit..." Oh, the judgement ALSO included over $5000 worth of damages to the townhouse....My wife spent 2 months cleaning, painting, etc. and these worthless people wrecked it.

Afterward, we found out she was evicted 30 days from her next place of abode after my wife had her evicted. Then, we found out she had 2 felony convictions and over 30 misdemeanors. My wife from then on always did a complete background check at the courthouse whenever she rented new tenants. Happiness was when she sold the property 2 years later.

The federal government states that landlords cannot discriminate when you rent. Well, tough. We will discriminate based upon legal status, past history, etc. and overall appearance. Too many people take advantage of people and know the system. It is pathetic.


understand why you are upset but I think we still would have got the picture if you just said "This woman" not making anything out of this just wanted to stay on the topic before someone make this out of a "Negro do this all the time" type of thing.


and to clear this up before someone jumps on me all I was saying was I didn't know what race anyone was talking about until "B" posted.
rramlimnnrramlimnnPost Master
I would caution about being too passionately critical of welfare, because before it is over and payments start coming due on this war, we all may be on welfare. It is a good possibility your kids and grandkids will be.

We may see the time in the near future, instead of fragmenting our efforts, we will assemble as a team with clubs around the field in “Malone Bottoms” in anticipation of the next Jackrabbit to run out in the open.

You will see this in the South first (the reservation).since we seem to always love being kicked in the teeth. and feeling guilty about what wages we do get.

If the pound of flesh taken from us is sufficient to feed the greed of our guardians, maybe others wont have to suffer too much.
I introvertSmall Talker
I agree that there are a number of people taking advantage of the system, but be careful about judging those who are disabled. I have a friend with Multiple Sclerosis. She has good days and bad, but needs a handicapped parking sticker for the bad days and to limit her need to walk (she sometimes falls, etc.). She has strangers come up and give her a hard time all the time about "stealing" a handicapped place. She is a professional and is able to have a foldout sofa in her office to enable her to lie down periodically, so she is not on disability, but I imagine she will have to quit working at some point. Yet, on occasion, she is doing great and can go out and engage in normal activities. Someone seeing her out might jump to the wrong conclusion.
V VarietySmall Talker
Many years ago, my husband and I had to get on welfare (with the food stamps, check, free medical help, etc.) because I was pregnant and he was unemployed (in New Jersey). We had just moved there from Florida because neither of us had insurance through our employers and according to the system they had then (and probably still do), I was given a huge discount and able to see a doctor at the clinic, but when it came time for the birth, I would have had a mid-wife. Now that may have been the thing when my granny was having kids, but I couldn't see me having a child at home with a midwife. Not in the early 80's! Anyway, because of this pre-historic system, we moved to New Jersey where we had to go on welfare until my husband found a job. When he did find a job, he had to work "under the table" for a while in order for us to get off the welfare. It is not built to assist people in getting OFF of it. It is set up to that it encourages people to stay on and on and on.... Thankfully, my husband and I were determined to be off welfare and very embarassed to have to use food stamps, so he worked very hard (and so did I when I got to go back to work) to get off them. But like I said, it took a few months of lying about our income in order to be able to get off the government help back then. That was unfortunate, but we did get off welfare and THANK GOD, have never had to do that again!
mandomamamandomamaHall of Famer
When I was in college and a single mom, I was on welfare, food stamps, WIC, the whole nine yards. While I was standing in line one day to pick up my check, I overheard a conversation between a young, healthy looking man and two young women.

Man: :yeah, I'm here to pick up my check."

Woman: "What kinda check you gettin'?"

Man: "My disability check. (He chuckles and grins.) Do I look disabled to you??"


Every time I had to go stand in that line, I was humiliated. I was ashamed that I was in a position that I couldn't take care of myself and my 2 girls. It infuriated and disgusted me that people were proud of the fact that they were cheating our government (AKA my very hardworking parents and friends who paid taxes) out of benefits so they could sit on their front porches drinking Colt 45's out of paper bags. I swore that as soon as I graduated college and got a job, I would never stand in line for a handout. I remember being so ashamed the first time I went to the grocery store to use food stamps. Even though the system helped me, I did not want to use it. I'm thankful I was able to finish college with it though.

Welfare-mentality is killing our country. There are too many people out there that think they are entitled to a living from the government. It's sick!
lu_vin_lifelu_vin_lifeSmall Talker
You know what? I have seen a lot of people like the people you describe. More than enough to fill up a 5 subject notebook.

But there is one reply that bothers me. It was about someone parking in a handicapped parking spot and "walking just fine" back to her car.

I have a handicapped decal, too. I have a daughter that has autism. She has high frequency hearing and if we were to have to park at the end of the row in Wal Mart and walk all the way through the parking lot, she would be frantically screaming and covering her ears by the time we reached the doors. Just because you can't SEE the disability, DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN'T THERE!!! You have to remember that! I know that a lot of people take advantage of things like that, but I am not one of them. If my daughter is not with me, I don't park in the designated parking areas. I like the extra steps that I can take when she is at home with her siblings or her father.
HomesickGirlHomesickGirlHall of Famer
I know that it is frustrating to see seemingly healthy people with handicapped parking privileges.

I know a man who has horrible back problems due to an injury in the 70s. Herniated disks, ruptured disks, pins and wires holding his spine together, and several vertebrae fusions. He has a handicapped permit. If you saw him, a nice looking older man without a cane or wheelchair, you wouldn't know that his feet were numb and his that he had pain shooting down both legs. The steps he saves in the parking lot allow him to get his business done in the store before he needs to sit down. Sometimes he won't park in the handicapped spot. He says he is ashamed. But more than one doctor looked at his MRI and X Ray and said, "How are you walking around?", and they signed for him to get the permit. He only applied in the first place because he was having to go to UAB for things and had to park far from the door.

I guess I'm just saying, don't get upset about people who walk into a store from a car with a handicap permit. Just assume it is this man or someone like him. Especially this time of year, when I am parking a mile away from the door, I try to be thankful that I am able to walk that far without one bit of pain.

My friend has always seen doctors in this area, and he has never encountered anyone who seemed eager to over prescribe pain meds or fake any paper work. In fact, when he would tell someone who his doctor was, they'd say, "He's a pill pusher." This was never my friend's experience. I wonder if the first poster would be willing to name that doctor she mentioned, even in a PM? I'd like to steer clear and especially to avoid taking my kids to him/her.
HomesickGirlHomesickGirlHall of Famer
Sorry for two consecutive posts, but I was thinking about the poster who has been trying to report disability fraud.

I assume that she is reporting to a government agency? I would think that insurance companies would be glad to get that kind of information. All the 'sting operations' I have ever seen on TV about people faking disability, had to do with insurance companies spying on people to get proof that they were cheating. It could be that the government feels it would cost them more to cut off cheaters than to just let them ride. There are a lot of automatic appeals and proceedings that have to take place before someone is denied disability.

I'm not saying I agree with this. I think it's horribly wasteful. But then, health care is not what we have a government for in the first place, so why wouldn't they be bad at it? All it really takes is someone who knows how to fill out the paperwork. Once you're in the system, it is almost impossible to get out. And most frustrating, there are a lot of people who legitimately qualify for help, and have probably been paying into the government for years, who are turned down over and over.

People want socialized medicine. This is how it would look. Have you ever been to the health department? That's government health care! I guess it's ok to go and sit all day to get an immunization, but I don't think I want to go there with chest pains.
HomesickGirlHomesickGirlHall of Famer
Oh, man...three in a row. I promise never to do this again...


When I had one of my kids, we had no insurance and were eligible for the program in Alabama. I think it was called SOBRA. This was a real blessing, and we were grateful for it. We were able to see our regular doctor, but were sent to a different location, so all the other patients were 'on relief' (my dad's term) like we were. There were all kinds of people in there...obviously poor women who didn't even have a car and who had to be picked up and brought to the office and obviously well off women. But the income guidelines for this accelerated with family size, and the program was meant to reduce infant mortality so it technically wasn't only for the 'poor'.

Anyway, there was a social worker there and patients had to see her a certain number of times before delivery. She was trying to find women who were being abused or had no place to go, or maybe were on drugs. I was just a plain old person without proper insurance at the proper time, so I didn't think I'd give them any trouble.

When I had my appointment with the social worker, she said, "You aren't signed up for WIC or food stamps. Let's get you signed up." I said, "No ma'am. I can afford food. I just don't have maternity insurance." I told her I was very grateful for the medical care I was receiving, but I didn't want to sign up for WIC. She pressed me, and I said, "No thanks. I'm going to nurse my baby and I won't need the free formula." Finally she said, "We get money based on how many people sign up." She implied that since I was getting medical care, the least I could do was sign up so they could get more funding! She got kind of testy with me, but I didn't sign up for WIC or apply for Food Stamps. I didn't understand how the extra funding helped them if they had to buy cheese for me with it, but somehow the agency benefits if their number of 'clients' is high.
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