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I hope her opinion is legally binding so there will be no controversy when the Occupatriots start throwing "food" at the Police.

 

The backstory is now become ridiculous.  Why do we give any Repubic a gun  and a badge???

 

The police officer who casually pepper-sprayed students at University of California, Davis, was involved in a discrimination lawsuit alleging that he used an anti-gay slur against an openly-gay officer, the Daily Mail reports. The racial and sexual discrimination lawsuit specifically singled out Lt. John Pike, a retired Marine sergeant, for “using a profane anti-gay epithet” against a gay police officer. The case ended in a $250,00 settlement:

Officer Calvin Chang’s 2003 discrimination complaint against the university’s police chief and the UC Board of Regents alleged he was systematically marginalized as the result of anti-gay and racist attitudes on the force, and he specifically claimed Pike described him using a profane anti-gay epithet.

Katehi identified Pike as one of the officers involved in the pepper-spray incident in an interview with the campus television station Sunday, and university communications staff confirmed his role Tuesday.

Different types of pepper spray? Officers accidentally sprayed with it seem to do just fine after rinsing their eyes with water, and how many police "chase and arrest" videos have we seen where they use pepper spray and the criminal is just fine? I guess they could just shoot them instead of making their "widdle eyes burn".Just crybaby wussies, the entire lot of ows pos.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The Occupatriots should make up some mustard gas for the popo.

Its a condiment!!!

Don't be an idiot (too late apparently, "occupatriots", really?), "mustard gas" is a misnomer and has no relation to ANY food products except by the most idiotic stretch of the most idiotic imagination...

 

that's right, Jimi, Contendah, Propagandist, Seeweed, Oh No, Buttercup, Rocky, I'm looking at you...

They wanted to be sprayed for the media attention, that was the point and it worked.

 

A very simple way to have avoided getting a face full of pepper spray. Move.

 

How many videos have you seen of Tea Party protesters getting pepper sprayed? I can't recall a one.

 

My point is that both sides protest because they are unhappy with the current state of the government and the country. However, they are going about protesting in different ways.

Pepper spray is an alternate to the wood shampoo, which will truly cause harm to miscreants who refuse a lawful order to move. 

 

Megyn Kelly made a simple statement which a few took out of context.  She also stated that a couple of the demonstrators were treated in the hospital.

 

As to mustard gas, that is one of the nastiest items I've ever had to transport.  Most of it was WWII leftovers.  While an old war gas, it will kill and maim and as it passes over water even kill the fish in the water.  Unlike some of the more modern nerve gases, it does break down quickly.  Exposed to rain and sunlight, it turns to fertilizer.  After WWI, the flowers grew well on the old battle fields. 

 

Comparing mustard gas to pepper spray is a sick joke, at best.  As, it can be made by amateurs, I really wouldn't encourage, even in jest, that demonstrators use it.

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

I suggest you view the uncut interview for a full understanding.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201...pray-a-food-product/

 

As the origin is Mediamatters, no faux Fox cries, please, as you will just look ridiculous.

 

 

 

"It’s not clear if Kelly or O’Reilly bothered to do any research on pepper spray before making the claims, which seem to contradict reality."

 

That is the really sad thing when punditry becomes a replacement for a dry reciting of the news stories in the ratings war. Playing to the crowd definitely raises ratings and revenue. But accuracy all too often is a secondary factor to applause.

 

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

--Upton Sinclair


Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Different types of pepper spray? Officers accidentally sprayed with it seem to do just fine after rinsing their eyes with water, and how many police "chase and arrest" videos have we seen where they use pepper spray and the criminal is just fine? I guess they could just shoot them instead of making their "widdle eyes burn".Just crybaby wussies, the entire lot of ows pos.

 

No first hand knowledge, just a made-up "I hope this sounds good" story?

 

CS gas, which is another chemical not based on capsaicin, is disruptive enough. Try out the "CS House" at USMCRD Parris Island for a true learning experience that will stay with you all the days of your life.

 

I've never been dosed with pepper spray. From what I've heard -- don't want to.

Originally Posted by Gnu:

I guess the tactic of civil disobedience is completely lost on most of you. It's a shame so many can manage to remain generationally ignorant for so ****ed long.

 

Their Daddy taught them good -- do as you're told or you get your butt whupped. Now Daddy is the policeman.

 

Bet they would hop on one foot while patting their head and rubbing their belly if a cop told them to. Not doing it might get you thrown in the slammer for "disobeying a police officer." There is plenty of that going around, along with a few other BS charges.

Fully understand civil disobedience,  always admired MLK Jr's much more than that old hypocrite Gandhi.  The civil rights marchers demanded they be treated as equals, not that they receive more of someone else's stuff.   They wished to eat at a lunch counter, nor be fed for free. Sorry, there is no comparison between them and the neo-com OWSers.   

 

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Never been pepper sprayed, however I've experienced CS military tear gas so much, it barely affects me anymore.  First in the army gas chambers, the in Korea when I lived there.  The students usually riot right before mid-term and end of term exams to attempt to get out of them.  

 

I noticed that, too. With me, it took the form of a delayed reaction. It didn't hit immediately as it once did. My last experience it took (estimated) 30 seconds for me to feel any reaction at all. Then, when there was reaction, snot dripped and tears ran, but I was able to keep my eyes open by blinking.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:

       
Originally Posted by interventor1212:
Never been pepper sprayed, however I've experienced CS military tear gas so much, it barely affects me anymore.  First in the army gas chambers, the in Korea when I lived there.  The students usually riot right before mid-term and end of term exams to attempt to get out of them. 

I noticed that, too. With me, it took the form of a delayed reaction. It didn't hit immediately as it once did. My last experience it took (estimated) 30 seconds for me to feel any reaction at all. Then, when there was reaction, snot dripped and tears ran, but I was able to keep my eyes open by blinking.


I guess one could even argue that is is good for ones sinuses. Flushing them out and all. I've always heard that people who eat a lot of peppers have fewer colds and sinus problems. Of course there is a difference in eating them and getting them sprayed in your eyes and nose.

I'm not gonna defend the officer's actions. Besides, we only saw a brief portion of the entire event. As for the spray, I have been sprayed on many occasions. I got a big face full when I was certified as a police officer. Since then I have been sprayed inadvertently in crowd situations several times. Its not as bad as some are making it out to be. I can function and do productive things after being sprayed. It does affect people differently though. And as for the demonstrators, everyone assumes these are peaceful OWS types. My close friend has family at UC Davis. She said it was a protest of rising tuition and was not related to the occupy movement. Just a little food for thought

This cop is part of the 99%. He was doing his job as best as he knew how. No one was injured or permanently affected. Yet the protesters who claim to be for the little guy want this officer fired a week before Christmas.

 

I fully support the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble in a public place. However, with rights comes responsibility. Clean up, be peaceful, and their ideas will be heard. That's not how the occupy crowd are conducting themselves.

 

This group that claims to be pro-environment are creating tons of garbage for the cities to clean up. They claim to support women's rights, yet women have to sleep in separate tents because of the number of rapes and sexual assaults that have happened. They claim to be for the working class, yet they create an inconvenience by affecting business and taking away public parks once enjoyed by the 99%.

 

There is a right way to get a message across and a wrong way. Most of the 99% are dismissing these protests as a bunch of idiots making a mess. They are tuned out. Now it's become a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. If the Occupy movements simply cleaned up after themselves and went home, then came back the next day, it would be more effective. Probably not as much fun though. 

 

 

 
 
Originally Posted by NashBama:

They wanted to be sprayed for the media attention, that was the point and it worked.

 

A very simple way to have avoided getting a face full of pepper spray. Move.

 

How many videos have you seen of Tea Party protesters getting pepper sprayed? I can't recall a one.

 

My point is that both sides protest because they are unhappy with the current state of the government and the country. However, they are going about protesting in different ways.

 

This is the 2nd Amendment way of protesting.

Cops avoided the place for fear of getting shot at.





This is the 1st Amendment way of protesting.

Cops knew they would be peaceful and unarmed.

So they came prepared to shoo a gnat with a shotgun:




 

 

 

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

What's the point of pepper spray? To get them to do what they were told to do without shooting them.

+!! I guess the OWS idiots didn't hear the officer say 'Move...pretty please?' prior to being hosed. The OWS idiots are actually pretty lucky. In Europe they would have been 'hosed' with water cannons.

 

A protest is all about saying "No!" 

 

Of course, cops always expect you to do everything they tell you to do. That's just the way they are. Whether obeying such an "order" would be abdicating your rights is immaterial to them. There are limits to authority, since a cop is a public "servant."

 

Much has been said lately about "non-lethal" means of force. That those are available means that you don't have to shoot them. But, because those means are available, the use of force in general has been on the rise. Why bother talking to defuse a situation when you can just spray, taze, or LRAD them?

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

What's the point of pepper spray? To get them to do what they were told to do without shooting them.

+!! I guess the OWS idiots didn't hear the officer say 'Move...pretty please?' prior to being hosed. The OWS idiots are actually pretty lucky. In Europe they would have been 'hosed' with water cannons.

 

A protest is all about saying "No!" 

 

Of course, cops always expect you to do everything they tell you to do. That's just the way they are. Whether obeying such an "order" would be abdicating your rights is immaterial to them. There are limits to authority, since a cop is a public "servant."

 

Much has been said lately about "non-lethal" means of force. That those are available means that you don't have to shoot them. But, because those means are available, the use of force in general has been on the rise. Why bother talking to defuse a situation when you can just spray, taze, or LRAD them?


OC sprays are generally PREFERRED to using 'hands on' methods of compliance. True, there are oher NON-LETHAL 'ways' to 'persuade' passive resistors to comply, but they all inolve PAIN.

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