Protect Traditional Marriage (Prop 8) Webcast - Live This Sunday

I am glad the God I pray to is willing to forgive people for their sins.

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Tony Perkins: Coming from Washington, DC, is with the Family Research Council

OMB!!!! The same Tony Perkins who starred in Psycho and Les Miserables?!

Bill, I am on AFA's mailing list and listen to them everyday on the radio. They are wonderful in helping Christians keep up with the issues..many that we might not hear about from the liberal media. As Christians we need to stand up for what is right before all our rights are taken away from us. Thanks for posting that, Bill.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to my Forum Friends,

Below is the message I received in an e-mail today from American Family Association. They are sponsoring a live telecast on the internet this coming Sunday, October 19, from 5 to 6:30 PM.

My Friend, this issue on the ballot in California will affect you, your family, and your community immediately -- or, if you do not live in California -- very soon. Good and evil do not remain stagnant. They are either checked and diminish -- or they grow. Which do you want growing in your neighborhood, in your community, in your state, in your nation? I vote for GOOD. I vote FOR FAMILY VALUES -- I vote YES on Prop 8 in California to protect American families and to affirm Traditional Marriage as the norm for California and for America.

You are a truly sad, sad man. Fear is what you wield. Be afraid. We must stop *them*! I guess you just can't sleep unless you force others to live as you want them to.

Allowing homosexuals to marry would have NO material effect on any traditional marriage. The notion is simply absurd. Do you honestly think that men and women would stop falling in love and getting married simply because some gay people did to?

Massachusetts has had this for over four years now. Where are all the issues you so loudly proclaim? Civil marriage is just that, civil. Your religion should matter to you alone and should NOT be forcibly applied to others.

I just can't understand the fear or the hate here. These are not your lives, they are not your loves. In all likelyhood you would never even know a married same-sex couple and yet you are hell-bent to ensure that you make their lives as difficult as you possibly can and you'll congratulate yourself for doing so!

If you were so truly for traditional marriage, then prop 8 would be for outlawing divorce. The hypocrisy is just overflowing.

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God performed the very first wedding ceremony in Genesis 2:22-24, "The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."

And? Such a thing only has bearing on marriages performed by your church, not the civil government. But you in your overbearing righteousness cannot allow others to not follow your beliefs. You must force them.

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The first marriage -- one man and one woman. Now, the Secular Humanist in our society want to change what God instituted. WE MUST STOP THEM.

I'll take a secular humanist government any day over the religious dictatorship that you would prefer.

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Please listen to this telecast on your internet. And, please -- on November 4th -- pray, then VOTE your Christian conscience.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray

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Originally posted by MonetsBestFriend:
Bill, I am on AFA's mailing list and listen to them everyday on the radio. They are wonderful in helping Christians keep up with the issues..many that we might not hear about from the liberal media. As Christians we need to stand up for what is right before all our rights are taken away from us. Thanks for posting that, Bill.

And exactly what right are you in danger of losing? What constitutional amendments are being proposed against christians? On the contrary, it seems that some christians wish to prevent others from doing what they see as un-christian things.

I don't think the homosexuals can do anything more to harm the institution of marriage than the 50% of them that fail anyway.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
I don't think the homosexuals can do anything more to harm the institution of marriage than the 50% of them that fail anyway.

DF

LOL! My gay friends wonder why anyone would want to get married in the first place. Divorce is expensive.

All they need is Traci Lords, Mink Stole, and a Ricki Lake comeback and that would be the John Waters movie made in heaven!

How is that huge crew arriving? By clown car?

What is the name? Phariseefest 08? I think this event would be utterly devoid of any sense of taste or decorum, and therefore perfect for Southern California entertainment.

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by MonetsBestFriend:
Bill, I am on AFA's mailing list and listen to them everyday on the radio. They are wonderful in helping Christians keep up with the issues..many that we might not hear about from the liberal media. As Christians we need to stand up for what is right before all our rights are taken away from us. Thanks for posting that, Bill.

And exactly what right are you in danger of losing? What constitutional amendments are being proposed against christians? On the contrary, it seems that some christians wish to prevent others from doing what they see as un-christian things.

Homosexuals have always been able to do what them want; but making it a law that their lifestyle is normal or acceptable behavior is not a good thing. The schools are being forced to teach something immoral as acceptable. Christian principals are being undermined. They are already trying to take Christian programming off TV; they are trying to tell pastors they can't teach against homosexuality which the Bible says is wrong. Nativity scenes are being taken from public parks. Christ is being taken out of Christmas. And the gays want to make it a law or hate crime if anyone objects to any obscene thing they do.
I say anyone can do anything they want in their own bedrooms; but, when they bring it out in the streets and shove it in our faces, we should draw the line. JMHO.

Christ is in Christmas in my home. Right my home. I could care less what other people do and tell their kids. If you teach your child the values you want them to have, more than likely they will turn out okay.

You know not every one believes in the Bible and what it stands for. So you can't say "The Bible says......"

There is a little part in the United States Declaration of Independence that says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Even in the 1700's the founders of this great country used the phrase "that they are endowed by their Creator..." They did not say God.

In the 1700's everyone still knew that GOD
was the creator

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Originally posted by MonetsBestFriend:
Homosexuals have always been able to do what them want;

Always? Surely you jest? It is only in recent history that homosexuals have been able to live without fear of imprisonment or death.

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but making it a law that their lifestyle is normal or acceptable behavior is not a good thing.

Too late. Lawrence vs Texas pretty much did that already.

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The schools are being forced to teach something immoral as acceptable.

Oh please. Schools do not teach morality. That is the job of parents.

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Christian principals are being undermined. They are already trying to take Christian programming off TV; they are trying to tell pastors they can't teach against homosexuality which the Bible says is wrong. Nativity scenes are being taken from public parks. Christ is being taken out of Christmas. And the gays want to make it a law or hate crime if anyone objects to any obscene thing they do.

Seems to be plenty of Christian programming around. Even entire networks. Far, far more than any other religion. Pastor's can preach against homosexuality all they want. Where do get this stuff?

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I say anyone can do anything they want in their own bedrooms; but, when they bring it out in the streets and shove it in our faces, we should draw the line. JMHO.

"Shove it in your face" merely means that homosexuals dare to actually do the same things that you do in public. As long as they stay in the closet closet you'll ignore them, is that it? Sad.

Are you saying that the schools have not been doling out condoms for years..teaching kids it's ok to have premarital sex as long as they use protection???

And tell me the name of a person in the U.S. who has been imprisoned simply for being a homosexual...or are you referring to their sodomy and maybe those who abduct and molest children?

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"Shove it in your face" merely means that homosexuals dare to actually do the same things that you do in public. As long as they stay in the closet closet you'll ignore them, is that it? Sad.
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"Shove it in your face" merely means that homosexuals dare to actually do the same things that you do in public. As long as they stay in the closet closet you'll ignore them, is that it? Sad.

Are you suggesting that I parade half naked in the city streets, simulating sex acts in front of whoever may happen to be on the streets watching...including children??? I think not!
I am speaking of their 'Gay Pride' marches. It is not a pretty sight.

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Originally posted by MonetsBestFriend:
Are you suggesting that I parade half naked in the city streets, simulating sex acts in front of whoever may happen to be on the streets watching...including children??? I think not!
I am speaking of their 'Gay Pride' marches. It is not a pretty sight.

I am not in favor wanton public displays by anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. However, the things you mention are not all that different than the displays at Mardi Gras.

No, I do not suggest that you have wanton displays in public. I suggest far more mundane things like holding hands, showing modest affection, and similar things.

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am glad the God I pray to is willing to forgive people for their sins.

Hi Flo,

Me to! Isn't it awesome to have a God who is always willing to forgive any sin we commit?

But, there is one catch: First, a person has to be willing to repent and turn from that sin -- if he wants to be forgiven of it.

What kind of God would just look the other way as a person is living in a sinful lifestyle, says, "Lord, I am sorry. Forgive me" -- and goes right on living in that same sinful lifestyle?

The Bible says to turn from your sinful lifestyle and follow Jesus. If a person is not willing to turn from that sinful lifestyle -- how can he/she say they want to follow Jesus? How can he/she be forgiven if he/she refuses to turn from that sinful lifestyle?

But, as you said, "Praise God that we have a God who will forgive any sin -- when we turn from it." That is called repentance.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Eye-gor:

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Tony Perkins: Coming from Washington, DC, is with the Family Research Council

OMB!!!! The same Tony Perkins who starred in Psycho and Les Miserables?!

Hi Deep,

I do believe you have given away your little charade. What's wrong -- do you need an alter-ego to boost your belief in atheism?

By the way, even though you live somewhere in the neighborhood of Glendale/Hollywood -- that Tony was Athhony Perkins, not Tony Perkins.

Y'all (both of your alter-egos) come back now, ya heah?

Bill

Bill, I understand that you believe in the Bible and the laws and rules God has. However not everyone does. In this country a person has the right to believe what they want.

MonetsBestFriend, the word Creator is used to let people decide for themselves.

Your and my God's law can not be forced on the next person. They might not believe in Him. Please open your minds and hearts to people that are different from you. If you don't want your child to know about homosexuality then you teach your child the way you want them to learn.

About the condoms. I don't think they are saying it is ok if you use protection. Most are saying if you have sex please use protection. I was taught not to have sex until married. I was also taught by my parents that if I did, please use protection. Would you not inform your child the thing?

The Parade. If you know what goes on at the parade why would a person take their child/children there. While I was in San Diego one was every year, and I made sure my daughter was no where near it.

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Originally posted by Eye-gor:

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Tony Perkins: Coming from Washington, DC, is with the Family Research Council

OMB!!!! The same Tony Perkins who starred in Psycho and Les Miserables?!

Yes it is and he’s bringing his mother from Psycho.

Mr. Bill's imagination is running away with him again. I suspect this is the root cause of his homophobia, anyway.

I have never used any other name on this forum except DeepFat. The brand recognition and good will is pretty enormous.

Now, Monet says homosexuals have always done what they will, and this is pretty much true, but she does not want their marriages recognized. Isn't this codified hypocrisy?


DF

Thanks for the compliment! Being compared to Deep Fat made my day.

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Originally posted by flotown79:

MonetsBestFriend, the word Creator is used to let people decide for themselves.

You speak the truth! For in the monster's case, Froderick Frankensteen was the creator. God complex indeed!

Dear Officer Monet's Best Friend:

Not a good time at present -- stop.

Dr. appt. on 22 -- stop.

Family in NY the end of month -- stop.

Mother's b-day 15 Nov. -- stop.

Cat gets fixed on Halloween in Pulaski -- stop.

Dogs must accompany me to prison cant sleep w/o at least one -- stop.

Have real butter and Dr. Pepper and G. Ale handy along with a 5h Jim Beam -- stop.

Sheets must be high grade Egyptian cotton -- stop.

Church in Athens 10 am Sundays -- stop.

No speaking in tongues around dog -- skittish -- stop. May snap or nip -- stop.

Veil all Monette's brush work -- stop.

Cruel and unusual punishment -- stop.

Gray man liar -- avoid contact -- stop.

Hi Flo,

You say, "Bill, I understand that you believe in the Bible and the laws and rules God has. However not everyone does. In this country a person has the right to believe what they want."

I agree with you. But, do you mind if we Bible believers pray for those who do not believe?

You say to Monet, "MonetsBestFriend, the word Creator is used to let people decide for themselves."

Not true. I believe most anyone, even secularists and atheists, and especially historians, will affirm that when the folks on the Mayflower wrote their Mayflower Compact -- they had only God in mind:

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid;. . ."

And, I find no reason to doubt that when our founding fathers wrote and signed these words of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" -- they had in mind God, the God of the Bible.

Why do I feel this is true? Because those same founding fathers allocated funds for the purchase of 20,000 Bibles to be distributed throughout the Thirteen Colonies -- because they believed that the moral lessons taught in the Good Book would benefit the people of those colonies.

And, those same founding fathers used the federal government buildings as Christian churches every Sunday.

So, I believe that assuming that Creator means only God -- is a safe assumption.

Then, you tell us, "Your and my God's law can not be forced on the next person. They might not believe in Him.

First of all, you do claim Him to be your God; therefore, I would assume that you believe what the Bible teaches us. In Matthew 28:19-20,Jesus tells us to "Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, TEACH Them." In Acts 1:8, Jesus tells us to "be His witnesses in our Jerusalem (our home and community), our Judea and Samaria (our state and country), and in all our world (which means all our world)."

I do believe that you and I will agree that Jesus is instructing us to share His Gospel with these folks. I do believe that we will agree that Jesus is telling us to share true Christianity with these folks. I do not see anywhere that Jesus tells us to accept a lifestyle which is opposed to His teaching, nor to accept a lifestyle which the Bible tells us is abominable, detestable, unnatural, and for which those living this lifestyle will not see the kingdom of God.

You say, "Please open your minds and hearts to people that are different from you."

Yes, we are to open our hearts and minds to these folks. But, that is not what they want. They want us to affirm, in law, their lifestlye, a lifestyle which is against everything our Christian Bible teaches. Accepting their lifestyle as the norm -- requires rejecting the Bible. Can you accept that?

And, you tell us, "If you don't want your child to know about homosexuality then you teach your child the way you want them to learn."

The schools have our children, on an average, eight hours a day -- their most vulnerable hours of their day. We have them for a couple of hours before bedtime. The schools today are most certainly teaching young minds, beginning in kindergarten, that the homosexual lifestyle is normal, that it is normal to have two mommies or two daddies. And, many schools are teaching those same young minds that, if mommy and daddy say this is wrong -- then mommy and daddy are sick and need to get help.

You mentioned that you spent time in San Diego. I can assure you that schools in San Diego ARE teaching this -- in all the public schools. That is why I thank and praise God that my grandchildren are in Christian schools.

You say, "About the condoms. I don't think they are saying it is ok if you use protection. Most are saying if you have sex please use protection. I was taught not to have sex until married. I was also taught by my parents that if I did, please use protection. Would you not inform your child the thing?"

When I was attending Sheffield High, I recall only two girls who got pregnant. And, I do not recall anyone getting a STD. And, God forbid -- we did not have Sex Ed during those days. However, we did have an assembly once a week where a local clergyman would come in and talk with us. Can you imagine that? No Sex Ed -- yet, allowing the Word of God into the schools -- and it worked.

Finally, you tell Monet, "The Parade. If you know what goes on at the parade why would a person take their child/children there. While I was in San Diego one was every year, and I made sure my daughter was no where near it."

Last year, in San Diego, many folks got upset because some of the local public schools made it MANDATORY that school children in the first, second, and third grades attended and participated in the Gay Pride Parade. Parents were not notified beforehand. What if you had still been in San Diego -- and YOUR daughter had been one of those children; would you have thought this was okay?

Flo, realize that we cannot "liberalize" God's Word. In the Bible: He wrote what He meant -- and He meant what He wrote.

Homosexuals have a right, like all other non-believers, to live as they wish. But, when they begin to demand that we accept their behavior, their lifestyle, as normal and that we make laws to legalize their aberrant lifestyle -- we must take a stand. And that stand must be that homosexuality is not an acceptable alternative lifestyle -- and that Traditional Marriage, one man and one woman, is the law of our Christian nation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Mr. Bill's imagination is running away with him again. I suspect this is the root cause of his homophobia, anyway. I have never used any other name on this forum except DeepFat. The brand recognition and good will is pretty enormous.

Now, Monet says homosexuals have always done what they will, and this is pretty much true, but she does not want their marriages recognized. Isn't this codified hypocrisy?
DF

Hi Deep Eye,

Watch out -- your eyes are beginning to bulge.

Regarding your question to Monet if this is not hypocrisy. No, accepting that homosexuals will live as they choose is one thing; but, to legalize it is quite another.

It is not hypocrisy to share what our Bible teaches. You continue to share with us from your Atheist's Manual -- and we share with you from our Bible, the Christian's User's Manual. Seems fair to me.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state idea the founding fathers came up with?

Eye-gor,

It's an advanced concept, beyond many.


DF

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Hi Deep Eye,

Once again, Bill lies.

How unusual.

DF

Greetings Bill,

"I agree with you. But, do you mind if we Bible believers pray for those who do not believe?"

I have no problem with you or people praying for those that don't believe the way you do. But you can't force them to live your lifestyle.

There is a big difference between the Mayflower Compact and the Dec of Independence. They are two different things that cant be combined. The DOI simply states that a person has the right to worship whom ever they want and no government body will stop that. Now it is up to parents to teach their children the way they want the to grow up.

And, I find no reason to doubt that when our founding fathers wrote and signed these words of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" -- they had in mind God, the God of the Bible.

That is the problem in this country. Instead of going by what the Constitution and DOI says, we try to interpret it. Read it as it is written.

Why do I feel this is true? Because those same founding fathers allocated funds for the purchase of 20,000 Bibles to be distributed throughout the Thirteen Colonies

I am not disputing the fact that more than likely 99.999% of the founding founders believed in God, but at the same time they realized that everyone does not.

First of all, you do claim Him to be your God; therefore, I would assume that you believe what the Bible teaches us. In Matthew 28:19-20,Jesus tells us to "Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, TEACH Them." In Acts 1:8, Jesus tells us to "be His witnesses in our Jerusalem (our home and community), our Judea and Samaria (our state and country), and in all our world (which means all our world)."

That is correct, He tells us to teach not to force our beliefs either. You let them do what they want but you inform them right from wrong.


When I was attending Sheffield High, I recall only two girls who got pregnant. And, I do not recall anyone getting a STD. And, God forbid -- we did not have Sex Ed during those days. However, we did have an assembly once a week where a local clergyman would come in and talk with us. Can you imagine that? No Sex Ed -- yet, allowing the Word of God into the schools -- and it worked.

Honestly it was a different world then. Get the stats now of high school girls, and sadly middle school girls that become pregnant each year. The number is outrageous. At lest the school is saying if you have sex use protection.

Last year, in San Diego, many folks got upset because some of the local public schools made it MANDATORY that school children in the first, second, and third grades attended and participated in the Gay Pride Parade


That was/is totally unacceptable. First it is against the law the law in CA for the children to be on trips without consent of the parents. So I would have been at the nearest lawyers office to file a case. I totally disagree with the school system on that.


The founding fathers had enough wisdom to demand that all citizens of this country be treated equal.

In the Book I read I don't see anywhere that He is saying force His word on anyone.