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Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion. Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child. No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"
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Originally posted by David L.:
Get over it, this is 2008. This happens all over the place, including Florence, Alabama!


The frequency of occurrence of a decadent way of life is no justification for such. People pass out drunk all over Florence, but that does not excuse drunkenness. People get high on illegal drugs allover Florence, but that does not justify addiction. And if folks fornicate all over Florence, that does not make fornication a moral activity nor does it prevent the offspring of such unions from being bastard children.
Speaking strictly from the "Bastard's" point of view...While my bio parents were not married to each other, you, sir, must be from a long line of azzholes, cause bullshirt crap just runs right through you! Name calling has NEVER kept anybody from doing ANYTHING! If calling names made people act right...you would have shut-up long ago. I am NOT offering ANY ammends for the circumstances of my conception to you or anyone else.
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Originally posted by vick13:
Maggie, a bastard is not a name. It's the correct term illegitimate children. Azzhole, on the other hand...


Sorry Girl!! Dint mean to get close to the line. Have been missing your 'words of wisdom' and humor lately. Good to 'see' you!

BTW, 'bastard' feels like a name to me. Azzhole, in this case just seems to be a statement of fact...LOL
Well, both terms are probably statement of fact. Just that one would bother me, the other wouldn't.

This is probably too personal for this thread and I probably should just pm you, but DOES it bother you that your parents weren't married? Are they still involved?

I've seen tons of people get married because the woman was pregnant and one or both of them should've run like the wind in the other direction, for everybody's sake!
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion.
What bothers you about this? In the LIFE section of the paper they publish the births at both of the area hospitals and many of those births are to unmarried persons also. If it offends your sensibilities so much that this is happening in our community and in the country, don't read it. Put your head in the sand.

Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child.
Some of them are shacking up. Some aren't. Living together isn't a prerequisite to making a baby. Why does it annoy you that they are happy about the new birth? Would you rather they be distraught? Would you prefer that women that find themselves unmarried and pregnant have an abortion? Are they trashy for making a baby? Or trashy for not getting married first? I think you are trashy for thinking it is right to impose YOUR moral beliefs on the rest of us. Some of us have no use for your customs and traditions - including the institution of marriage.

No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!
Look in the mirror. Kids don't get their sense of right and wrong from the media. They get it from mom & dad.

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"
Not difficult at all. We can also label all of your posts: Holier than thou ramblings from a pompous ass who has no concept of people's freedom to choose how to live their own lives and accept the fact that everyone is not a Christian and everyone does not hold the same beliefs and attitudes as him.

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Originally posted by T S C:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion.
What bothers you about this? In the LIFE section of the paper they publish the births at both of the area hospitals and many of those births are to unmarried persons also. If it offends your sensibilities so much that this is happening in our community and in the country, don't read it. Put your head in the sand.

Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child.
Some of them are shacking up. Some aren't. Living together isn't a prerequisite to making a baby. Why does it annoy you that they are happy about the new birth? Would you rather they be distraught? Would you prefer that women that find themselves unmarried and pregnant have an abortion? Are they trashy for making a baby? Or trashy for not getting married first? I think you are trashy for thinking it is right to impose YOUR moral beliefs on the rest of us. Some of us have no use for your customs and traditions - including the institution of marriage.

No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!
Look in the mirror. Kids don't get their sense of right and wrong from the media. They get it from mom & dad.

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"
Not difficult at all. We can also label all of your posts: Holier than thou ramblings from a pompous ass who has no concept of people's freedom to choose how to live their own lives and accept the fact that everyone is not a Christian and everyone does not hold the same beliefs and attitudes as him.



Hehe - Love you and your posts! You go girl!
Darn, TSC beat me to it.. xD hehe

I ditto what she said.

Heck, your username gives you away before you even say anything else. And- Should I mention, for someone who is so OCD about the way things are written, it always astounds me that your username is what it is- BeternU? Better. Than. You.

Which, in all actuality is a boasting in which does not relay truth. You are no better than anyone else on here. Smiler Perhaps, it's a ego booster, though. The Jury is still out on that one. Smiler

~Amanda
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion. Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child. No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"


Trace your family tree. Somewhere down the line you will find that without bastard children, you would not exist! Get over it.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion. Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child. No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"


Oh my my my beternU, calm down or get a sign.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion. Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child. No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"



Trace your family tree. Somewhere down the line you will find that without bastard children, you would not exist! Get over it.



Not every family has bastards, in spite of what "celebrities" are doing today. Until very, very recently it was a shameful, shameful thing that was hidden. You sent the wayward girl off, she came back later and either didn't have a child or the family suddenly had an unexpected child that the mother (grandmother) had just "oopsie" had. Many many people were raised by their (grand) mother with a (mother) aunt.

And beternu could've said it better. But he's right. (And that just KILLS me, for him to be right). Denying it and getting all mad doesn't make him wrong.

Here's the thing, if you don't mind having some people call your illegitimate child a bastard or if you don't mind fathering/mothering a bastard that's fine - go on, have your child. If it bothers a lot, don't have a child unless you're married. I don't care how many people you see on TV or movies with bastard kids. If you don't have the stamina to ignore what bothers you, you don't have the stamina to raise children in circumstances out of the norm.

Beternu didn't make this so. (He's admittedly not making anybody feel better, but that's beternu...there are names for everybody!)
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by David L.:
Get over it, this is 2008. This happens all over the place, including Florence, Alabama!


The frequency of occurrence of a decadent way of life is no justification for such. People pass out drunk all over Florence, but that does not excuse drunkenness. People get high on illegal drugs allover Florence, but that does not justify addiction. And if folks fornicate all over Florence, that does not make fornication a moral activity nor does it prevent the offspring of such unions from being bastard children.


And you think your hate spewing self-righteous ways are so much more virtuous and desirable? It would be so sad to be you. We all need to pray for beternU.
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Originally posted by T S C:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Seems like several times a week there is some report on page 2A of the Times Daily concerning the latest birth of a bastard offspring to notable entertainment figures of the libertine persuasion.
What bothers you about this? In the LIFE section of the paper they publish the births at both of the area hospitals and many of those births are to unmarried persons also. If it offends your sensibilities so much that this is happening in our community and in the country, don't read it. Put your head in the sand.

Usually the item reports how thrilled these filthy rich and filthy-living fornicatious and trashy people are to have shacked up and produced an illegitimate child.
Some of them are shacking up. Some aren't. Living together isn't a prerequisite to making a baby. Why does it annoy you that they are happy about the new birth? Would you rather they be distraught? Would you prefer that women that find themselves unmarried and pregnant have an abortion? Are they trashy for making a baby? Or trashy for not getting married first? I think you are trashy for thinking it is right to impose YOUR moral beliefs on the rest of us. Some of us have no use for your customs and traditions - including the institution of marriage.

No wonder our young people are getting a fuzzed-up and glamorized concept of IMMORALITY!
Look in the mirror. Kids don't get their sense of right and wrong from the media. They get it from mom & dad.

Wouldn't it be better to list all these arrivals under some headline such as "Bouncing Bastard Babies?"
Not difficult at all. We can also label all of your posts: Holier than thou ramblings from a pompous ass who has no concept of people's freedom to choose how to live their own lives and accept the fact that everyone is not a Christian and everyone does not hold the same beliefs and attitudes as him.



Well, TSC, you can rail at me all you want about my alleged intolerance of the low and base standards so widely adopted by the libertines of this nation, but that will not change the fact that there are indeed absolute moral standards, that those standards have long been respected by that part of society deservedly considered decent and respectable, and that there has been a fast downward decline in respect for those standards, such that all too many, like yourself, are now essentially calling good evil and evil good. One need not be a Christian to respect decent and honorable behavior and to decry corrupt and licentious actions of those whose only standard seems to be "If it feels good, do it."
TSC I think his point is it DOES hurt people. Well, usually. Every child deserves both parents, sadly in most cases where the parents aren't married there is even MORE likelihood the father is not involved. So, it hurts both the child, the mother (who has to be solely responsible for the child) and taxpayers (if she's not self and household supporting, which is not usually the case, sometimes - not usually).

Of course, being married when the child is born doesn't assure parental, especially paternal, involvement either, but the odds are better.

(At least, that is what I hope his point was.)
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Originally posted by vick13:
TSC I think his point is it DOES hurt people. Well, usually. Every child deserves both parents, sadly in most cases where the parents aren't married there is even MORE likelihood the father is not involved. So, it hurts both the child, the mother (who has to be solely responsible for the child) and taxpayers (if she's not self and household supporting, which is not usually the case, sometimes - not usually).

Of course, being married when the child is born doesn't assure parental, especially paternal, involvement either, but the odds are better.

(At least, that is what I hope his point was.)


But not always. I know people who grew up in one-parent households that are more well adjusted than those who had two parents who were fighting all the time and miserable.
Well, here goes nothing. I was pregnant when I got married, am still married - very happily so & my child is a productive member of society. In fact, she is in the Navy by choice & not because she felt it was the only way to better herself. We were paying for her college classes when she joined. She joined to serve her country & because she felt her abilities (intelligent, driven & athletic) were the right fit for a military career. She was right.

My best friend in high school had parents that married before they had kids. The kids may have made it out of that house alive but they have all suffered the after effects of sick parents.

So, although I agree that being married first is the wisest road to take, it is far from a means to an end for the child. It's also no excuse for what that child chooses to do once he or she becomes an adult. That is completely up to the individual. Having come from dysfunction myself, I do not accept that as an excuse for bad behavior. JMO

Regarding celebrity news of any kind, some of us could just care less. I only want to hear if they have done something to make the world a better place. Otherwise...
It was great. One of her friends called to meet for lunch. She literally ate and left. When I asked about it, she said she didn't come home to see her friends. She came home to see her parents and her brother. Don't think I didn't float a little higher after that comment. Smiler

Yeah, I hated to see her go. I don't know how much longer she will be near enough to drive home, probably just a couple of months, but that's if all goes according to plan. She told me to quit praying for her to stay close to home. LOL I think she's ready to see the world. I just hope she doesn't end up in the middle of this war. I know that's selfish because many are in the middle of this war, but I can't help it. She's still my little girl to me.
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Originally posted by T S C:
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One need not be a Christian to respect decent and honorable behavior and to decry corrupt and licentious actions of those whose only standard seems to be "If it feels good, do it."
Actually, my standard is: if it hurts no one, it is no one's business.


Too bad. That is indeed a shallow and shabby standard!
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Well, here goes nothing. I was pregnant when I got married, am still married - very happily so & my child is a productive member of society. In fact, she is in the Navy by choice & not because she felt it was the only way to better herself. We were paying for her college classes when she joined. She joined to serve her country & because she felt her abilities (intelligent, driven & athletic) were the right fit for a military career. She was right.

My best friend in high school had parents that married before they had kids. The kids may have made it out of that house alive but they have all suffered the after effects of sick parents.

So, although I agree that being married first is the wisest road to take, it is far from a means to an end for the child. It's also no excuse for what that child chooses to do once he or she becomes an adult. That is completely up to the individual. Having come from dysfunction myself, I do not accept that as an excuse for bad behavior. JMO

Regarding celebrity news of any kind, some of us could just care less. I only want to hear if they have done something to make the world a better place. Otherwise...


DING,DING..smartest thing said today..
While I hate to, I have to agree with beternU on these points - one: our society is definitely in a downward spiral regarding moral behavior, and two: the actual definition, straight out of Webster's is as follows:

Main Entry: 1 bas•tard
Pronunciation: \bas-tərd\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1: an illegitimate child

I disagree, however, that the reason our children are growing up to imitate the kind of immoral lifestyle he is railing against is the fault of Hollywood or the media or a corrupt society. The fault, plain and simple, lies at HOME...with the parents and extended family members. The Bible plainly states that we are to be "in" the world, but not "of" it. You can't expect the whole world will abide by your personal moral code of conduct, but you CAN prepare and teach your children that what they see, hear and read is not always how they should behave. And for heaven's sake, be involved enough in their lives that you see the warning signs long before they get too far gone! Too many people have abdicated the raising of their children to the daycares, schools and other organizations (scouts, etc), THEN want to blame everyone else when their children don't grow up to walk the straight and narrow. Bottom Line: If you allow your child to be "raised by wolves" don't be surprised when they start howling at the moon!
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Originally posted by zann75:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Well, here goes nothing. I was pregnant when I got married, am still married - very happily so & my child is a productive member of society. In fact, she is in the Navy by choice & not because she felt it was the only way to better herself. We were paying for her college classes when she joined. She joined to serve her country & because she felt her abilities (intelligent, driven & athletic) were the right fit for a military career. She was right.

My best friend in high school had parents that married before they had kids. The kids may have made it out of that house alive but they have all suffered the after effects of sick parents.

So, although I agree that being married first is the wisest road to take, it is far from a means to an end for the child. It's also no excuse for what that child chooses to do once he or she becomes an adult. That is completely up to the individual. Having come from dysfunction myself, I do not accept that as an excuse for bad behavior. JMO

Regarding celebrity news of any kind, some of us could just care less. I only want to hear if they have done something to make the world a better place. Otherwise...


DING,DING..smartest thing said today..


Thanks, zann. Smiler

Top Down Beemer...loved your "Bottom Line"...very true. I feel the same way about placing responsibility on teachers and churches that actually resides with the children's parents.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by T S C:
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One need not be a Christian to respect decent and honorable behavior and to decry corrupt and licentious actions of those whose only standard seems to be "If it feels good, do it."
Actually, my standard is: if it hurts no one, it is no one's business.


Too bad. That is indeed a shallow and shabby standard!
Too bad for you. You have a shallow and shabby opinion! Who gives YOU the right to tell anyone how to live their life? I agree, the term for a child born out of wedlock is bastard. But the term is old and outdated. Why label an innocent child? Why not label the parents, if you must pass judgment on someone? That is what your post is about. Labeling and judging others. Somebody build this man a set of stocks and start sewing scarlet letters.

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