Question for Bill - #2

 CRUSTY DANCING!

With Bill being who he is, do you really believe he will give an answer that will satisfy you?

If you mean an honest answer, no.

So, Bill, you've said I can ask questions and you will give answers.  A goofy picture doesn't answer my question, and in fact is ironic in it's representation of your dance.

Let's try again. 

Do you believe that God and Jesus are still at work on earth and in heaven? 

It is a simple question.  I would venture that 99.999999999% of the people on earth could answer it adequately with a simple yes or no.  Why can't you?

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The majority of us know that Bill wouldn't know honest if it walked up & bit him on the azz, so if you want honest, you're wasting your time. I would have figured you were one of the majority.  

Bill says he wants to tutor me, and that we will both learn from our discussion.  At least that is what he says, and why should I not believe a Good Christian like Bill?

This is going to be good. I'm going to take Bill off block just so I can watch him dance around having an honest & serious conversation with you.

don't waste your time, semi. bill won't answer.. no matter how many times, or in what way crusty asks. it's an exercise in futility.

I believe you are correct, Crash.

I've had to go over to his Facebook page and invite his thousands - nay, millions - of readers to come here.  He posted his most recent sermon there.  By itself, Bill looks like a reasonable Christian.  But, it is obvious that Bill doesn't want to have an actual discussion, he just wants material for his sermons.

How hard is it to actually answer the question, "do you think it is okay for a Christian to lead a prayer at a school or school event using a PA system"?  

I would also think any Biblical scholar would hop on the question, "do you believe that God and Jesus are still at work on earth and in heaven".  That is the first post in this topic, and somehow, I'm the one dancing. 

Bill claims he is spreading the word of God, but he won't answer simple questions.  Maybe he is afraid that he will actually learn something.

Just from what I have seen on tv and all; giving a sermon really pays well! No one that gets paid to quote the bible will ever say that there may be contradicting statements in it. That would be a career ending sermon. 

Hi all,

Yes, that is true.  My dear Friend, Crusty, does visit my Facebook Note -- and occasionally, leaves a note.   For that I am grateful.  I wish more of our Forum Friends would visit me on Facebook.  That said, this is what I wrote on my Facebook Note in reply to Crusty's kind post:

Thank you, Crusty, my Friend.  For years when I send out my Friends Ministry eNewsletter, I have always included the URL link and invited folks to come visit us on the TimesDaily Religion Forum.  Let me offer it again:

tnvalleytalks.hoop.la/displayForum/forum/208733512872150234

And, if our Facebook Friends will drop in and read our discussion, they will find that I wrote this in response to the question about prayer over a school PA system and at football games:

There was an uproar in the past year or two about prayer before a football game, I believe at Brooks High School.

Yet, I can only speak for my experience at Sheffield High in the 1951-55 time period. And, at that time we did not have prayer nor Scripture read over the PA system -- during school hours or at ball games.

What we did have were the weekly assemblies where a local clergy -- Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Jewish -- came to speak with us. Why only those religions? Because, in those days, that was all we had in the Shoals area. Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, etc., had not made their way to the Shoals yet.

But, we all know the impact of Madelyn Murray O'Hair, the ACLU, and the Supreme Court in 1963. That 1963 decision (to evict God) and their 1973 decision to legalize abortion -- were two major steps in atheism's attempt to destroy the Christian faith in America.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

To all my TimesDaily Forum Friends, I would love to have you come visit me on Facebook.    You can find that particular Facebook Note at:

https://www.facebook.com/notes...tudy/677210765658413

Or, just come to Facebook, search for Bill Gray, and visit me -- or send me a Friends Request.  It will be fun to share on Facebook also.

You can even send me your e-mail address via a Private Message and I will be happy to add you to my Friends Ministry mail list.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

If you are on TV preaching, you are a shyster, con-artist, and huckster.  So pretty much anything you say is worthless tripe to be ignored.

Well, Bill, I guess you were finally shamed into answering my question over in the other thread, thanks for that. 

Now how about my question here.

Do you believe that God and Jesus continue to work here on earth and in heaven?

Are YOU asking because YOU do not know?  Or, is this a new dance step?  I know the answer and I will give you a hint.  It is answered in one single word.

But, I want to read your thoughts on this first.  What do you think -- heaven or earth, or both?  What is your take of this?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

If you can answer it in one single word, please have at it.

Bill Gray, above, writes as follows:

"But, we all know the impact of Madelyn Murray O'Hair, the ACLU, and the Supreme Court in 1963. That 1963 decision (to evict God) and their 1973 decision to legalize abortion -- were two major steps in atheism's attempt to destroy the Christian faith in America."

No, Bill, we do not all "know" that.  God has not been "evicted" from the public school system. Nor has prayer for that matter.  

It is well-established in law that there are numerous religious observances and practices that public school students and teachers may carry out within the public school setting.  The ACLU, which you knee-jerkedly and categorically condemn, has conveniently published a list of the numerous and constitutional ways in which Christians or those of other religious beliefs may engage in religious activities within the public school domain.   These can be read in the link below.  I have posted this information several times, and you have either blithely ignored it or condemned it out of hand because it is from the ACLU (the old "kill the messenger" syndrome) instead of candidly acknowledging that there are indeed many religious activities and behaviors that are legal and constitutional within the public school setting.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-...igion-public-schools

No, Bill, God has not been “evicted” from the public schools, but what has been appropriately and correctly ruled by the highest court in the land is that actions by the government (public school systems without dispute being an element of government) that constitute an endorsement of any particular religious belief system are, in fact, in violation of the First Amendment.

It continues to astonish me that so many of those who so often and so militantly contend that government should stay out of their personal business are among the strongest advocates for installing prayer and Bible reading and/or other elements of religious belief and instruction (virtually always Christian) within the curricula of public schools.  What is any more personal than the religious instruction of one’s own children? Why should those “conservative” folks who so frequently express their distrust in “government” nevertheless so fervently desire to entrust that most private and personal thing--the religious instruction of their children--to that same government? Why permit government to decide, for example, when those public school students should  pray, for what they should pray, to whom they should pray, and in whose name they should pray?

The inconsistency of it all is truly mind-boggling! 

"But, we all know the impact of Madelyn Murray O'Hair, the ACLU, and the Supreme Court in 1963. That 1963 decision (to evict God) and their 1973 decision to legalize abortion -- were two major steps in atheism's attempt to destroy the Christian faith in America."

The interesting thing about this statement is that in the 1950s, when Bill was in school, he states that the only religious activity in his school was a weekly talk by a clergyman, and a prayer. 

In the last two decades their have been numerous examples of schools promoting much more religion than that.  Daily prayers, prayers at school functions and  a load of other such things.  I was practically forced by my coaches to join the Christian athletes organization in JHS and HS. 

The evidence would suggest that religious activity has increased in public schools since 1963, and once again, Bill is talking out of his ass.

So, Bill, in order for me to ask my next question, I need you to tell me your thoughts on whether or not God and Jesus are still at work here on earth in heaven.

You've said that - miracle of miracles - you could establish that in a word.  I'm waiting on that word (or more).

Are you going to answer this question?

As I told you, I would like your take on it first.  And, then I will answer.

But, I did give you a hint:  It is a one word answer!

Ciao, baby!

Bill

Well crusty, you have perseverance.

what an exercise in futility.. .ask, re-ask, ask again, answer bill, ask again.. wait for an answer while bill 'bumps' all his threads to the top. answer bill. ask again.. repeat.

This is just laying the ground work for YOUR belief system.  What I believe or don't is irrelevant to this conversation. 

Either clarify your position or don't.  We can't move forward until you do. 

For some reason Gray feels like he's on the defensive. 

To summarize so far, we know that Bill believes the following:

1.  Once save, always saved.

2. The Bible is to be taken literally except for obvious uses of metaphors, simile and symbolism.

3. Everything in the New Testament, including all of Paul's writing, is God's word to us, straight from God, and God doesn't change his mind.

4. If someone willfully disobeys the Bible, then they were never Christians, and still aren't.

Is #5 God and Jesus continue to work here on earth and in heaven, or not?  Why are you afraid to share?  What is the Great Commission, again?

Billy is somewhere pouting because he's been pushed into a corner & made to look like an idiot. Oops, my mistake, he is an idiot!

When he's pouting you can bet he's sucking his Big Toe.

Idiots will do that every chance they can dream up.

How long will the TD suffer the prosecution of Bill to continue at the hand of you Pharisees?  

I've often wondered the same thing about you.........

go put up some campaign signs dog.

Crusty, my Friend,

As I told you, you asked the question, so it would be enlightening to see your take on it first.  That is, unless YOU DO NOT KNOW the answer.  Do you admit that you are Biblically illiterate and cannot answer that question.  If so, maybe Contendah or I can help you.

But, first -- give it your best shot -- and, then I will answer.

And, don't forget -- I did give you a hint:  It is a one word answer!

Ciao, baby!

Bill

My take on the "question", " I need you to tell me if God and Jesus are still at work on earth and in heaven?", would be that you will respond in line with your intelligence level with, "DUH". 

So Bill's take, as I understand it, is "DUH". 

Can any brainless Valley Girls here translate for me, please.

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Nah, he goes to the park to get that done.

Your answer is to avoid responding -- and keep asking the same inane question over and over again? 

You are right about one thing.  My take on Crusty's Bible literacy and supposed Christian faith is:  Most definitely a loud, resounding, "DUH!" 

Are you sure you are not a Valley Girl in drag?

Blessed you little confused heart!

Bill

Crusty, my Friend,

All you have built is an atheist glass outhouse!   You mumble incoherently through what you, and fellow atheists, believe to be the game-winning question for atheism.  Then, you copy/paste some Scripture verses which you, in no way, can truly explain in your own words.   And, YOU call that a serious question?   DUH!

Crusty, if all you want to do is play childish, inane children's games -- play with yourself.   I don't have time to baby-sit you and your tantrums.

IF you seriously want to have an adult discussion -- just let me know.  Otherwise, I have more important things to do -- like clean the trash can.

Bless your childish little heart!

Bill