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Vic, my Friend,

 

Maybe I can help you out!   If only I could figure out how HOW you got in!   Smile, God loves us!

 

Now, to your question -- or I suppose we could call it a dig, an attempt to instigate an argument.  But, there again, that is what you told us a few months ago IS your purpose for most of your Period Posts.

 

It is very obvious that you read ONLY the title of my post, since the effort to open it is beyond you -- let me tell you where I derived that title.

 

IT CAME FROM A ROMAN CATHOLIC WEB PAGE!    How about that?

 

You can find it at:

 

Should Catholics Go to Non-Denominational Bible Studies?
http://www.catholic.com/magazi...tional-bible-studies

 

Yep, never can tell what those Roman Catholics will come up with next!

 

Bless your simple little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:

I wouldn't ask Contendah anything.....that fool was duped into believing humans control the planets climate.

I know, it's a liberal thing. Even after the leading meteorologist admitted to

falsifying the data. But Contendah should talk to billie jezz about anything

Bible. Bible people should talk to each other.

 

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.  Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...."(John 17:21). Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.  Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

quote:  Originally Posted by Contendah:

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.   Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...." (John 17:21).   Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.

 

Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  

 

Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

Contendah, my Friend,

 

I agree with all you have posted.  On the Day of Pentecost 33 AD, the 120 in the Upper Room were in accord with one another.  When they went to the street of Jerusalem to teach, they were in agreement -- and the 3000+ who joined them in Christian faith that day were also in unity with them.

 

Several days later, when the apostles preached and the church grew to over 5000, there was still unity.

 

God has a way of bringing unity; man has a way of bringing disunity.  God sent Peter to the Roman leader's home.  God sent Paul to the Gentiles.  When Peter and Paul disagreed on circumcision -- they found unity, God working again.

 

But, man being man -- there will always be those who will try to bring man's disunity into God's plan.  And, as you suggested -- that is why we have so many different denominations today, i.e., disunity.

 

Should we listen to and learn from our leaders?  Yes.  But, we should also apply the lesson learned in Acts 17:11 -- test the teacher and the teaching daily -- AGAINST SCRIPTURE.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.  Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...."(John 17:21). Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.  Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

 

Thanks Contendah for that needed definition from someone other than myself.

I know of a Catholic that attends two different Protestant Bible studies as well

as their own Catholic study. I know several doing this for comparison.

 

I had a few Protestants want to borrow a Catholic Bible just to see the

differences between the two. I can't see anything wrong with doing it.

When an objectionable person finds fault with it, then the motive he has

will be a lie.

 

Now, the first thing that needs to be done is forget Non denominational,

forget denominational and focus on any word that will change the meaning

of what is being conveyed to the reader. Word origin, language of word and

what part of speech of the word in/for that usage. That must be cleared

between everyone before any progress is made.

 

As for begging from two different threads a way to denigrate, malign,

scandalize and out right lie about the Catholic Church he hates so bad

there's not much he wouldn't or hasn't done already.

 

He just had a very loud and out of control fight with a Protestant. Why would

someone he hates have that type of discussion  with him? Not me.

If he could have a civil Biblical discussion with another Protestant, which I

doubt he can, I know how wild he could become with me. He has a very big

problem with lying about my Church, I shake his dust from my heels.

Feels good.........

 

quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

OK, I should ask Contendah one more question.

 

What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical books have in common? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

That would be better stated:  "What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the APOCRYPHA have in common?"

 

And the answer is, looking at which is the sole authority on Biblical issues, salvation, and Christian living:  NOTHING!

 

That is like asking:  What does the Bible and Commentaries have in common?  The Bible is God's Written Word.  And commentaries are man's writings in an attempt to explain what is given to us in the Bible.   In other words, the Bible is God's Word, commentaries are men's ideas and words.

 

The same with Scripture, both Old Testament and New Testament -- and the Apocrypha which is nothing more than men-written commentaries.   Scripture is God's Word.  The Apocrypha is man's ideas and words.

 

My Friend, thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for our readers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

OK, I should ask Contendah one more question.

 

What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical books have in common? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

That would be better stated:  "What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the APOCRYPHA have in common?"

 

And the answer is, looking at which is the sole authority on Biblical issues, salvation, and Christian living:  NOTHING!

 

That is like asking:  What does the Bible and Commentaries have in common?  The Bible is God's Written Word.  And commentaries are man's writings in an attempt to explain what is given to us in the Bible.   In other words, the Bible is God's Word, commentaries are men's ideas and words.

 

The same with Scripture, both Old Testament and New Testament -- and the Apocrypha which is nothing more than men-written commentaries.   Scripture is God's Word.  The Apocrypha is man's ideas and words.

 

My Friend, thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for our readers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I saw this coming from a mile away.

quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I saw this coming from a mile away.

Fantastic, Smokey, my Friend,

 

Even though you have lousy theology, if any at all -- at least you have good eyesight!  It is good to be able to see from a mile away.

 

Isn't it wonderful that we can find all situations in Scripture?

 

Matthew 5:45, ". . .  for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

 

See, even with your flawed theology, or lack of, He has given you good eyesight!   God is awesome!

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

bill and those darn selfies!

 

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He's always whining about spitting contests, yet he is always the first to go there.

 

Notice Vic and Contendah trying to have a conversation, and Bill interjects his saliva.

 

Someone hand him another Kleenex.

Bill needs to be the center of attention at all times. If not, he resorts to kiddy cartoons and heavy diversion. 

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