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Vic, my Friend,

 

Maybe I can help you out!   If only I could figure out how HOW you got in!   Smile, God loves us!

 

Now, to your question -- or I suppose we could call it a dig, an attempt to instigate an argument.  But, there again, that is what you told us a few months ago IS your purpose for most of your Period Posts.

 

It is very obvious that you read ONLY the title of my post, since the effort to open it is beyond you -- let me tell you where I derived that title.

 

IT CAME FROM A ROMAN CATHOLIC WEB PAGE!    How about that?

 

You can find it at:

 

Should Catholics Go to Non-Denominational Bible Studies?
http://www.catholic.com/magazi...tional-bible-studies

 

Yep, never can tell what those Roman Catholics will come up with next!

 

Bless your simple little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:

I wouldn't ask Contendah anything.....that fool was duped into believing humans control the planets climate.

I know, it's a liberal thing. Even after the leading meteorologist admitted to

falsifying the data. But Contendah should talk to billie jezz about anything

Bible. Bible people should talk to each other.

 

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.  Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...."(John 17:21). Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.  Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

quote:  Originally Posted by Contendah:

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.   Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...." (John 17:21).   Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.

 

Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  

 

Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

Contendah, my Friend,

 

I agree with all you have posted.  On the Day of Pentecost 33 AD, the 120 in the Upper Room were in accord with one another.  When they went to the street of Jerusalem to teach, they were in agreement -- and the 3000+ who joined them in Christian faith that day were also in unity with them.

 

Several days later, when the apostles preached and the church grew to over 5000, there was still unity.

 

God has a way of bringing unity; man has a way of bringing disunity.  God sent Peter to the Roman leader's home.  God sent Paul to the Gentiles.  When Peter and Paul disagreed on circumcision -- they found unity, God working again.

 

But, man being man -- there will always be those who will try to bring man's disunity into God's plan.  And, as you suggested -- that is why we have so many different denominations today, i.e., disunity.

 

Should we listen to and learn from our leaders?  Yes.  But, we should also apply the lesson learned in Acts 17:11 -- test the teacher and the teaching daily -- AGAINST SCRIPTURE.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Been busy with demanding personal matters, Vic.  Not ignoring your question.

 

"Non-denominational" is a modifier that is not consistently defined by many who use it.  A "denomination" is a  named class within some larger classification.  It signifies division.  Jesus prayed for his disciples, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...."(John 17:21). Paul urged Christians in his day,  "that ye might all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (I Cor. 1:10). One need not look far in our time to see that these scriptural ideals have not been achieved.  Whenever men find it necessary to construct and formalize extra-Biblical "creeds" or "disciplines" or Catechisms to confirm their systems of theology, division ensues.  If men would commit to simply speaking where the scriptures speak and being silent where they are silent, much of the religious division in today's churches would go away.  Biblical ignorance is rampant in our times, and those who fail to do any serious personal Bible study and instead depend upon appointed leaders and officials of the faction of divided Christendom to which they attach to reveal the "truth" to them ("Well, my preacher says" or "Well, my church manual says" or "Well, the 'Conference' or 'Synod' or 'Diocese' or 'Council' has decided.") are conceding the fates of their souls to others than themselves.  Such wholesale abdication of personal responsibility is at the root of the division that plagues churches today.

 

Thanks Contendah for that needed definition from someone other than myself.

I know of a Catholic that attends two different Protestant Bible studies as well

as their own Catholic study. I know several doing this for comparison.

 

I had a few Protestants want to borrow a Catholic Bible just to see the

differences between the two. I can't see anything wrong with doing it.

When an objectionable person finds fault with it, then the motive he has

will be a lie.

 

Now, the first thing that needs to be done is forget Non denominational,

forget denominational and focus on any word that will change the meaning

of what is being conveyed to the reader. Word origin, language of word and

what part of speech of the word in/for that usage. That must be cleared

between everyone before any progress is made.

 

As for begging from two different threads a way to denigrate, malign,

scandalize and out right lie about the Catholic Church he hates so bad

there's not much he wouldn't or hasn't done already.

 

He just had a very loud and out of control fight with a Protestant. Why would

someone he hates have that type of discussion  with him? Not me.

If he could have a civil Biblical discussion with another Protestant, which I

doubt he can, I know how wild he could become with me. He has a very big

problem with lying about my Church, I shake his dust from my heels.

Feels good.........

 

quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

OK, I should ask Contendah one more question.

 

What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical books have in common? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

That would be better stated:  "What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the APOCRYPHA have in common?"

 

And the answer is, looking at which is the sole authority on Biblical issues, salvation, and Christian living:  NOTHING!

 

That is like asking:  What does the Bible and Commentaries have in common?  The Bible is God's Written Word.  And commentaries are man's writings in an attempt to explain what is given to us in the Bible.   In other words, the Bible is God's Word, commentaries are men's ideas and words.

 

The same with Scripture, both Old Testament and New Testament -- and the Apocrypha which is nothing more than men-written commentaries.   Scripture is God's Word.  The Apocrypha is man's ideas and words.

 

My Friend, thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for our readers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

OK, I should ask Contendah one more question.

 

What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical books have in common? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

That would be better stated:  "What, in your opinion, would the Septuagint and the APOCRYPHA have in common?"

 

And the answer is, looking at which is the sole authority on Biblical issues, salvation, and Christian living:  NOTHING!

 

That is like asking:  What does the Bible and Commentaries have in common?  The Bible is God's Written Word.  And commentaries are man's writings in an attempt to explain what is given to us in the Bible.   In other words, the Bible is God's Word, commentaries are men's ideas and words.

 

The same with Scripture, both Old Testament and New Testament -- and the Apocrypha which is nothing more than men-written commentaries.   Scripture is God's Word.  The Apocrypha is man's ideas and words.

 

My Friend, thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify that for our readers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I saw this coming from a mile away.

quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I saw this coming from a mile away.

Fantastic, Smokey, my Friend,

 

Even though you have lousy theology, if any at all -- at least you have good eyesight!  It is good to be able to see from a mile away.

 

Isn't it wonderful that we can find all situations in Scripture?

 

Matthew 5:45, ". . .  for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

 

See, even with your flawed theology, or lack of, He has given you good eyesight!   God is awesome!

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

bill and those darn selfies!

 

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He's always whining about spitting contests, yet he is always the first to go there.

 

Notice Vic and Contendah trying to have a conversation, and Bill interjects his saliva.

 

Someone hand him another Kleenex.

Bill needs to be the center of attention at all times. If not, he resorts to kiddy cartoons and heavy diversion. 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I saw this coming from a mile away.

Fantastic, Smokey, my Friend,

 

Even though you have lousy theology, if any at all -- at least you have good eyesight!  It is good to be able to see from a mile away.

 

Isn't it wonderful that we can find all situations in Scripture?

 

Matthew 5:45, ". . .  for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

 

See, even with your flawed theology, or lack of, He has given you good eyesight!   God is awesome!

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Bill, is this post very Christian of you? 

Smokey, my Friend,

 

YES!  Why not?  Did not Jesus denounce the false teachers called the Pharisees?   So, what is wrong with saying that the erroneous teachings, doctrines,and traditions of the Roman Catholic church are wrong?

 

So, what is the problem -- that I disagree with and refute your religion?  How is that not Christian if Christ Himself denounced false religion?

 

Smokey, my Friend, you are being like the Gay Activists who, every time a conservative speaks against the homosexual lifestyle -- starts crying, "You are being homophobic!"   That is a smokescreen to mislead those not knowledgeable enough to know the difference.

 

And, your yelling, "Bill, is that Christian?" is cut from the same cloth!

 

Bless your misleading little heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I saw this coming from a mile away.

Fantastic, Smokey, my Friend,

 

Even though you have lousy theology, if any at all -- at least you have good eyesight!  It is good to be able to see from a mile away.

 

Isn't it wonderful that we can find all situations in Scripture?

 

Matthew 5:45, ". . .  for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

 

See, even with your flawed theology, or lack of, He has given you good eyesight!   God is awesome!

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Bill, is this post very Christian of you? 

 

Vic, my Friend,

 

Now I believe I see YOUR problem.   You do not know how to look UP!   Maybe that is why you cannot see God -- you are always looking down into the world -- instead of looking UP to God!   That does indeed answer many questions.

 

But, my bottom feeding Friend, if you will just look UP at my previous post -- you will see that I have indeed responded to Smokey's childish comment.

 

It seems that you two are so similar -- that maybe you should change your posting names to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

 

Bless your little hearts!

 

Bill

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Smokey, my Friend,

 

When a "professing Roman Catholic" -- even one who does not go to mass -- wishes that I would drop dead; naturally I want to know if he learned that in his Roman Catholic catechism.   Makes sense to me!  

 

But, then, for a Roman Catholic who takes the Sacrament of Reconciliation -- while refusing to be reconciled with me, a fellow man -- well, most anything might not make sense that that person.

 

Sorry if what I write confuses you.

 

Bless your little confused heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Smokey, my Friend,

 

When a "professing Roman Catholic" -- even one who does not go to mass -- wishes that I would drop dead; naturally I want to know if he learned that in his Roman Catholic catechism.   Makes sense to me!  

 

But, then, for a Roman Catholic who takes the Sacrament of Reconciliation -- while refusing to be reconciled with me, a fellow man -- well, most anything might not make sense that that person.

 

Sorry if what I write confuses you.

 

Bless your little confused heart!

 

Bill

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It should not be hard to understand how almost anyone professing almost anything or professing nothing at all could be come so sick and tired of your smarmy attitude, your phony "Bless your XXXX heart" nitwittery, your silly-ass cartoon gallery and your general know-it-all arrogance as to wish you would drop dead or at least get lost and not find your way back.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Contendah, my Friend,

 

Wow, I did not realize that you folks who follow Herbert W. Armstrong also wished people dead who disagree with you!    See, I learn something new every day.  I guess I must add the Armstrong Legalists to that "Wish-em dead!" list.

 

Bless your little Armstrong heart!

 

Bill

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What you NEED to realize, you irremediable nitwit, is that notwithstanding your asinine ASSertions to the contrary,  I am not and have never been a follower of the late heretic, Herbert W. Armstrong or of any of the several offshoots of his silly-ass theology.  For you to continue to identify my beliefs with Armstrongism simply indicates just how inept you are in the art and science of clear reasoning.  You really need help within that realm, Bill.  There are geriatric specialists who can put you through a brief testing protocol that will give a good indication of  the current status of your mental deterioration, following which they can prescribe appropriate therapies to perhaps delay to some extent your inevitable progression to the status of total drooling fool.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Contendah, my Friend,

 

Since you are ashamed to tell us which denomination, or church, you do follow -- we can only go by what we see in your writings.   And, your writings sure do line us well with Herbert W. Armstrong to me.   If I am wrong, prove it!

 

Bless your heart!

 

Bill

 

 

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Once more, Bill, you demonstrate the depleted status of your thought processes.  Anyone can accuse anyone else of adhering to any belief system and then demand that the person thus accused prove otherwise.  The kind of  false reasoning exemplified in such a demand is its insistence upon proof of a negative proposition.   Since you, Bill, are polemically challenged, I should explain this further, in simple terms that even a buffoon such as you might possibly understand.

 

You have asserted a positive conclusion that I am aligned in some way with the theology of Herbert W. Armstrong.  You have not provided any analysis whatsoever to show which, if any, of my beliefs are identical to the numerous and heretical doctrines of Armstrongism.  You have simply made a broad ASSertion, without any kind of supporting detail whatsoever. Now you demand that I rebut your un-explicated ASSertion.  That is silliness of the first water, Bill.  Having asserted a vague and absurdly broad claim, without any specificity, you now expect me to refute the nonsensical proposition you have submitted.  To the contrary, it is YOUR responsibility to buttress your bald claim with some kind of substance and detail.  Absent some such amplification from you, I am left with the unreasonable task of describing and rebutting the totality of the Armstrong belief system, a task that would take much more of my time by far than you are worth.  

 

I have numerous times, on this and other forums, rejected Armstrongism, with its silly-ass British Israelite bogus history and other absurdities.  If I were a proponent of that crackpot system, I would defend it rather than reject it, but I have not made any defense of any of it.  A reasonable person, knowing that, would not continue to make the absurd accusation--as YOU have made--that I hold in favor of the Armstrong belief system.  You, however, have consistently shown yourself to be an unreasonable--and unreasoning--person, so I suppose I should not find it out of the ordinary that you would continue to propagate a claim that, given the history of my participation in this forum, is utterly absurd on its face.

 

Find yourself one of those geriatric cousultants, Bill, and see if he/she can offer some remedy, however mild or temporary, that can slow your ongoing progression into total senile cluelessness!

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

METHINKS THE MAN DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH -- instead of just sharing the truth!

 

Whatever!

 

Bless your little Armstrong heart!

 

Bill

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MEthinks that YOU have have belatedly realized that you have run out of anything to contribute to this discussion. That actually occurred three or four of your posts back, but you are too dense to have realized it.  As to protesting, it is you who have for months protested my declination to toady to your prodding concerning my religious affiliation.  And those protests come from a hypocrite who has posted, on his own (and doting subservient Dory's) blog, that little poem about the "Name over the Church Door" not really counting for much.

 

Find that geriatric consultant, Bill, before the drooling sets in!  Not much time left.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

METHINKS THE MAN DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH -- instead of just sharing the truth!

 

Whatever!

 

Bless your little Armstrong heart!

 

Bill

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MEthinks that YOU have have belatedly realized that you have run out of anything to contribute to this discussion. That actually occurred three or four of your posts back, but you are too dense to have realized it.  As to protesting, it is you who have for months protested my declination to toady to your prodding concerning my religious affiliation.  And those protests come from a hypocrite who has posted, on his own (and doting subservient Dory's) blog, that little poem about the "Name over the Church Door" not really counting for much.

 

Find that geriatric consultant, Bill, before the drooling sets in!  Not much time left.

billie jezz, read this

 

Hi all,

 

As usual, this "spitting contest" is out of hand -- so, I have moved on.  If anyone is interested you will find that I have responded to Contendah's tactless tirade in the new discussion titled "Setting The Record Straight!"

 

Of course, if you are not interested, no problem.  At least I have SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

As usual, this "spitting contest" is out of hand -- so, I have moved on.  If anyone is interested you will find that I have responded to Contendah's tactless tirade in the new discussion titled "Setting The Record Straight!"

 

Of course, if you are not interested, no problem.  At least I have SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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"New discussion", in Bill Gray parlance, means, "I have been whupped here, so I will create a new string where I hope to avoid the embarrassment of having my lunch repeatedly consumed by someone else who is onto my little games.

Contendah, my Friend,

 

If you call getting "whupped" (your word) here and running -- the fact that I continued the exact same discussion there, okay!   All I did was step out of the overflowing sewage of this spent discussion and started anew without the waste material.

 

Once again, you are using your typical "a strong offense is a best defense" approach.   And, as usual, you do have an strong offensive odor.

 

Bless your little offensive heart!

 

Bill

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