Raise social security age to 70, I agree

why should I have to pay for someone else's health care???


I feel the same way about retirement, health, homeowners, car, and life insurance funds. Maybe we should all be self-insured and get back only the premiums we pay in. Might help to keep insurance rates low.

The heat factor today is forecast to be 110. H have either of you two ever laid a brck, worked on a roof, or any other outside job this past several weeks? I do not know, but I firmly believe that all or most of the raise the retirement age folks need to brush the ice crystals off their white collars or turn off the air conditioners in the office! Occupation is cetainly a factor in retirement and life expectancy.

My full retirement will be 70 right now, it might even be upped before I get there.

I don't mind paying taxes that help pay health care for people who need it. I am well and able to work. I do mind people who get a check and health insurance when there ain't nothing wrong with them.

The stated topic is Retirement Age. The insurance, etc. has been bludgeoned to death! Retirement age is the subject of this topic! I say again, "If you are 69, should you be working on the roof today?"

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Originally posted by slice:
Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner wants to see it done and I agree with him it should be, since most people are living longer. I also would like to see the end to medicaid and medicare done away with and that we go to private health care, why should I have to pay for someone else's health care??? That also means all those that are having children who can't afford them and putting it on the back of other's to have to pay for it. And those lazy people that just want everything given to them for free. End Social Security now!!! Support the Republicans that are conservative...

End social security? What about the several hundred thousand I have paid in over the last 40 years? Do I lose that under your proposal?
I think people who have worked and paid in all their life SHOULD get social security and medicare coverage. I believe this was the original intent of the program. I agree with you we need to get everyone off these programs unless they have contributed or have survivor benefits. But, let's don't just end social security for all of the working people.
BTW, just curious, how long till you reach 70?

Even poor people would be better off at retirement if they were allowed to put money into their own private account instead of being forced into the bankrupt SS system.

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
The stated topic is Retirement Age. The insurance, etc. has been bludgeoned to death! Retirement age is the subject of this topic! I say again, "If you are 69, should you be working on the roof today?"

No.

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I say again, "If you are 69, should you be working on the roof today?"

Should you at 64? What does a person's chosen profession have to do with being entitled to someone else's money?

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End social security? What about the several hundred thousand I have paid in over the last 40 years? Do I lose that under your proposal?
I think people who have worked and paid in all their life SHOULD get social security and medicare coverage. I believe this was the original intent of the program.

Social Security was started with the premiss that current working people would have some of their paycheck taken and given to current "old age survivor's." This was justified by telling the those who were taken from that one day they too would get to take a piece of someone else's paycheck. All that money you paid is gone. It wasn't kept for you, it was spent. We are running out of people to provide paychecks from which to steal, and the system cannot be sustained.

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Originally posted by slice:
Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner wants to see it done and I agree with him it should be, since most people are living longer. I also would like to see the end to medicaid and medicare done away with and that we go to private health care, why should I have to pay for someone else's health care??? That also means all those that are having children who can't afford them and putting it on the back of other's to have to pay for it. And those lazy people that just want everything given to them for free. End Social Security now!!! Support the Republicans that are conservative...

With Medicare, you are not paying for someone else's healthcare, that 1.45 percent of your income (which is also matched by you employer) that you pay in medicare premiums on every paycheck is to pay for that.
I am all for social security but I do not think the government should be running it or "borrowing" from it. Social security should be privatized with a set of investment guidelines and options for each individual taxpayer with a small portion of what we pay going into a fund for the risk of having to collect disability and for the risk of outliving your funds. I would think if privatized that the risk of outliving funds would be low since we would get more back during retirement from putting the money in a passbook savings account than what we get now with the government sticking their hands in it.

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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
My full retirement will be 70 right now, it might even be upped before I get there.

Roger that, and ditto.

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:

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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
My full retirement will be 70 right now, it might even be upped before I get there.

Roger that, and ditto.

Believe me, you will get there before you know what happened !
I believe I must be having 3 birthdays a year to get this old this quick.

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Originally posted by slice:
Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner wants to see it done and I agree with him it should be, since most people are living longer. I also would like to see the end to medicaid and medicare done away with and that we go to private health care, why should I have to pay for someone else's health care??? That also means all those that are having children who can't afford them and putting it on the back of other's to have to pay for it. And those lazy people that just want everything given to them for free. End Social Security now!!! Support the Republicans that are conservative...

For goodness sake quit whining !

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Originally posted by slice:
Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner wants to see it done and I agree with him it should be, since most people are living longer. I also would like to see the end to medicaid and medicare done away with and that we go to private health care, why should I have to pay for someone else's health care??? That also means all those that are having children who can't afford them and putting it on the back of other's to have to pay for it. And those lazy people that just want everything given to them for free. End Social Security now!!! Support the Republicans that are conservative...

Though you're a little predictable at times, I must admit that this is a pretty well played troll. Maybe more flame will come along later to up the grade but I'd still give you credit for good effort.

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Originally posted by dolemitejb:

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I say again, "If you are 69, should you be working on the roof today?"

Should you at 64? What does a person's chosen profession have to do with being entitled to someone else's money?

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End social security? What about the several hundred thousand I have paid in over the last 40 years? Do I lose that under your proposal?
I think people who have worked and paid in all their life SHOULD get social security and medicare coverage. I believe this was the original intent of the program.

Social Security was started with the premiss that current working people would have some of their paycheck taken and given to current "old age survivor's." This was justified by telling the those who were taken from that one day they too would get to take a piece of someone else's paycheck. All that money you paid is gone. It wasn't kept for you, it was spent. We are running out of people to provide paychecks from which to steal, and the system cannot be sustained.

"This was justified by telling the those who were taken from that one day they too would get to take a piece of someone else's paycheck."

Your point is correct...but it was actually justified by FDR as an insurance program...that the money coming out was paying a premium...NOT a tax.

But the government because of certain court decisions, they had to admit, yes it was a tax and not an insurance premium...of course that's legal stuff...that hasn't stopped politicians since the '40's selling Social Security as some sort of Old Age insurance.

That's why so many people feel entitled...because they "paid in" for their "old age" insurance...That was a flat out lie.

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Originally posted by paw-paw:
End social security? What about the several hundred thousand I have paid in over the last 40 years? Do I lose that under your proposal?
I think people who have worked and paid in all their life SHOULD get social security and medicare coverage.

You haven't paid into anything...the money that has been taken out of your check for 40 years is just another tax. Do you expect to get your income tax back that you have paid for all these years?

I'm in my early '40s...most likely I'll be the one to lose under the current system...not those currently getting benefits.

L O C K B O X

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Originally posted by justice:
L O C K B O X

You forget, that was Al Gore's thing. Bush didn't have any interest in doing that.

No president, including FDR, ever used a lockbox.