Salvation Before And During The Tribulation - Works or Faith?

I'm trying really hard to not use the word JERK right now.

I will respond later in more detail

David, my Friend,

 

You, and all the Cabal, clamored for me to answer your question.  And, now that I have -- in your opinion I am a JERK?   Wow, what, under Roman Catholic teachings, would I be if I had NOT answered your question?  

 

Did someone remove 1 Peter 3:15 from all Roman Catholic Bibles?

 

My Friend, I do believe you are hanging with the duo "Vic and Chick" too much!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Your answer is spiced with rudeness. You are so ungracious.

David, my Friend,

 

Since under Roman Catholic Catechism teachings -- I am a JERK; why bother?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

I didn't say the Catholic Church called you a jerk.  I said I was trying not to use that word. 
You are so condescending with your answers.
Asking me if I'm blind!!  What nerve.  
Am I old fashioned at 40 yrs of age??   Where are the manners???

David, my Friend,

 

Let's better understand this.  For sincerely and Biblically answering your question, from the Bible -- I am a JERK and ungracious.

 

But, you calling me a JERK and ungracious for truthfully sharing the Bible -- makes you what?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Your weren't sincere you were condescending. 
I guess I had shot my mouth off when I said jerk, (sorry).  I'm gracious enough to apologize. 
Your rudeness is not in the fact that you post scripture verses. 
Do you not see your snarky filler in between your scripture post.

And quit calling me friend

Hi David,

 

Let's see if we can understand what is happening.   In the following dialogue, you say that I am being a JERK and ungracious.  Will you please explain how that works:

 

Now, she tells me, "So, salvation is DEPENDENT on WORKS during the tribulation -- but works are not necessary before the tribulation.   Please explain in further detail."

 

Are you really that blind that you cannot see what I had written in that  post and in many earlier posts?

 

What seals a person's fate today?  In this mortal life, we are given the gift of "free will."  With this "free will" we have to make a choice:  we have to choose between an eternity with God -- or an eternity without God.  In other words, we have to choose to follow God -- or to deny God.

 

During the Tribulation -- folks will still have to make that same choice:  follow God or deny God.

 

Where is that condescending, rude, ungracious, or being a JERK? 

 

Then, you tell me, "Do you not see your snarky filler in between your scripture post."

 

I have looked from top to bottom in this discussion -- and I will be honest with you.  I have NO idea what you are talking about -- or what you are calling a "snarky filler."   On this I will really appreciate an explanation -- for I am totally lost on this.  What in the world is a "snarky filler" and where have you found one?

 

And, finally, you tell me, "And quit calling me friend"

 

Let's think about that.  I call Jesus Christ my Friend -- and HE calls me His Friend.   Why?  Because I am in His Family and He loves me.  You really do not want to be in the fellowship of Jesus' Family?  Would you call Jesus a Friend?  If so, why would you not call a member of His Family your Friend?   Do you want to rethink that one?

 

You seem to cherish the friendship of those on the Religion Forum who deny and blaspheme God.   Yet, you tell us you are a Christian believer who shuns the friendship of other believers.  How does that work?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

1) Plz give examples of how I "cherish the friendship of forum members who blaspheme God"

2) definition of friend;
1. A person whom one knows, likes, and trusts.
2. A person whom one knows; an acquaintance.
3. A person with whom one is allied in a struggle or cause; a comrade.

You don't fall into any category

Hi David,

 

Would you call Jesus Christ a Friend?   Does He fall into any of your categories?  Maybe a better question would be:  Do YOU fit into any category of Friend with Him -- if you shun His Family?

 

Luke 5:20, "Seeing their faith, He said, 'Friend, your sins are forgiven you.'”

 

Wow!  He said the same thing to me when I was born again and became a child of Godd!

John 3:29, “He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. So this joy of mine has been made full."

 

And, I am a Friend of the Bridegroom.  He confirmed that in Luke 5:20.

John 15:15, "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you."

 

Imagine that!  Jesus calls all believers His Friends -- and, being a believer -- I am His FRIEND!

 

Are you?  You shun His Family.  Does that make YOU His Friend?   Think about it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I had referenced Jesus asking, " when I was naked when did you feed me, when I was hungry when did you feed me, etc,........"  

I read in your response the phrase, " their fate had been sealed by what they did during the tribulation"     To me that sounded like you were referencing some mind of ACTION done on their part.

and you were rude to say I was blind, you were rude to compare me to an 11 yr old. 

 

You a " believer only " view of salvation.  

I believe Salvation is also free, the Catholic Church DOES NOT TEACH THAT YOU WORK YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN, THERE'S NO QUOTA.  as far as works are concerned; we have a responsibility.  

That is serious, we must take up our cross, we must go out and do the will of God.  

"For His workmanship we are, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which GOD has made ready beforehand that we may walk in them." Eph 2:10

" Whenever St. Paul said works are not needed, he was referring to the old Mosaic Law orworks of darkness. He did not mean the good works rendered by the Law of Grace

"But he who does the truth comes to the light that his deeds may be made manifest, for they have been performed in GOD." John 3:21

"For GOD shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Eccl 12:14

"But their end will be according to their works." 2Cor 11:15

 

 

how does one lose their salvation? 

 

consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

 

 

Mr. Gray,

Your conduct on this forum shows you, IMHO, to be rude and crude and presents you in a very unChristian-like manner... We are of the same generation... I was raised to always show respect to others, especially those of the female persuasion. I was taught as a child that one can agree to disagree without being disagreeable... It would appear to most on this forum that you never learned that lesson... While I was raised in the North, I was always expected to be courteous to others, even those who disagree with me... I always heard of Southern hospitality and expected it when I moved here... i would think that one raised in the South would just naturally be hospitable, even to those with whom one disagrees... For the most part that has proven true... You, however, appear to be the exception...

 

A prime example of the causes of this belief on my part, is your treatment of David in this and other threads...David, on the other hand, has conducted herself over the past several years with apparent grace, honesty and love for her fellow man... Her postings have revealed her to be a Christian in every sense of the word... She has been graceful and courteous to other forum members, though she might disagree on matters of principal or theology... Until this evening, I have never read her to be angry with anyone, even you... With the sole exception of you, nearly every forum member, of whatever religious persuasion would speak highly of her... The religious philosophy of some of these fellow forum members directly contradicts, that of David, and she often makes this clear, but she does so with grace and dignity... Her every posting appears to present a Christian attitude, devoted to Christ, but not dogmatic or pushy...

 

I always attempt to ask myself, am I acting in a manner that would please Christ... The answer is often no, and i often fail in my attempts to control or subdue my anger... David, however, is infinitely stronger in her relationship with her faith and knowing what Jesus wishes of her... As I said earlier, this evening was the first I've seen her show anger, and with good cause...

 

You, Mr. Gray, have repeatedly over the past several months, questioned her faith and her relationship with God, shown extreme hostility toward the Catholic Church (of which she is a member), and implied that the Catholic Chuch is not Christian but cult-like... You've accused her of being a member of some sort of a cabal which is purely a figment of you apparently sick imagination.

 

All of this came about, Mr. Gray, because she asked you to explain a statement you made, which apparently contradicts your beliefs, a statement which you cannot deny for it is archived... You have yet to explain that statement...

 

David, on the other hand, admitted to losing her temper and apologized... You, Mr. Gray, have never apologized to anyone on this forum for anything...

 

In my opinion, Mr. Gray, your arrogance and your apparent overinflated and undeserved sense of self worth lead anyone reading your postings to the conclusion that it is you, Mr. Gray, who are projecting an image that is not Christ-like... I believe, Mr. Gray, that you should really sit down and have a heart to heart discussion with Jesus before it is too late.