quote:"A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths."
<sigh> Amen, Carl.
quote:"A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths."
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Still waiting on the rest of my question to be answered? What was before the beginning of the Universe?
ML,
I already spent a fair amount of time to that same question in the simplest way I could muster. Please go read the response.
The bottom line is, we don't know. Theories abound but we don't know. Insert god here if you want (I once did). This is called "the God of the Gaps" where the Creator hides in the shadows of the light of reason.
The problem with that notion is that the light of reason keep getting brighter.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Evolution is a fact. Stone, cold fact.
But, evolution has nothing to say about the beginning of the universe. That would be Cosmology.
What happened before the Big Bang? No one knows. Not me, nor you. The scientists are working on it. Stay tuned.
DF
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Oh but my dear friend DeepFat........how can you be so wrong and type with a straight face?
In your posts you state "MATTER" came from something as small as a pin point that later evolved into the world we live in today complete with human beings. So how can you say evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe? You are perplexing in your logic. Again...........please answer my question with STONE COLD FACTS (that you so graciously have been giving out over this forum). Why don't you have an answer as to what happened before the big bang? You seem to have the answers thereafter? You make no sense.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Evolution is a fact. Stone, cold fact.
But, evolution has nothing to say about the beginning of the universe. That would be Cosmology.
What happened before the Big Bang? No one knows. Not me, nor you. The scientists are working on it. Stay tuned.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Evolution is a fact. Stone, cold fact.
But, evolution has nothing to say about the beginning of the universe. That would be Cosmology.
What happened before the Big Bang? No one knows. Not me, nor you. The scientists are working on it. Stay tuned.
DF
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
I want to know the FACT about what existed before any universe existed. Where did that come from? I don't understand why that is so hard to answer?
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
I want to know the FACT about what existed before any universe existed. Where did that come from? I don't understand why that is so hard to answer?
The answer isn't that hard, Lentz. I've told you twice so far. Let me see if I can make it clearer:
NO ONE KNOWS. WE DON'T KNOW.
I hope that clears it up for you.
We do know, as much as science can "know" something, that the universe had a beginning.
quote:what do you think created the heavens and the earth?
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
I want to know the FACT about what existed before any universe existed. Where did that come from? I don't understand why that is so hard to answer?
The answer isn't that hard, Lentz. I've told you twice so far. Let me see if I can make it clearer:
NO ONE KNOWS. WE DON'T KNOW.
I hope that clears it up for you.
We do know, as much as science can "know" something, that the universe had a beginning.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:what do you think created the heavens and the earth?
Why, an omnipotent space alien poofed it by wriggling His nose, of course.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Your childish repetition of "why" is really grating.
I presume you insinuate that "god" created the universe. Very well.
What created "god"?
And what created that?
You have no idea. No one does. We go back far enough, and the only answer is "we don't know".
Better honest ignorance than dishonest presumption of knowledge beyond our capacities.
DF
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
BINGO!! Thanks DeepFat! You hit the nail square on the head. Thanks for just proving my argument.
If we don't know how far back the universe was created, who created it or when it was created........how in the heck can you evolutionary types tell me with certainty what happened 4 billion years ago!!!!!
Point proven.......
I knew with a litle rope it would all come out.
Thanksquote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Your childish repetition of "why" is really grating.
I presume you insinuate that "god" created the universe. Very well.
What created "god"?
And what created that?
You have no idea. No one does. We go back far enough, and the only answer is "we don't know".
Better honest ignorance than dishonest presumption of knowledge beyond our capacities.
DF
quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
BINGO!! Thanks DeepFat! You hit the nail square on the head. Thanks for just proving my argument.
If we don't know how far back the universe was created, who created it or when it was created........how in the heck can you evolutionary types tell me with certainty what happened 4 billion years ago!!!!!
Point proven.......
I knew with a litle rope it would all come out.
Thanksquote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Your childish repetition of "why" is really grating.
I presume you insinuate that "god" created the universe. Very well.
What created "god"?
And what created that?
You have no idea. No one does. We go back far enough, and the only answer is "we don't know".
Better honest ignorance than dishonest presumption of knowledge beyond our capacities.
DF
ML, do you believe in creationism? The perceived Christian God's effort to produce all that we observe and see?
And if you do, why?
(Take your time, I'll wait.)
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes. Do you?quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
BINGO!! Thanks DeepFat! You hit the nail square on the head. Thanks for just proving my argument.
If we don't know how far back the universe was created, who created it or when it was created........how in the heck can you evolutionary types tell me with certainty what happened 4 billion years ago!!!!!
Point proven.......
I knew with a litle rope it would all come out.
Thanksquote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Your childish repetition of "why" is really grating.
I presume you insinuate that "god" created the universe. Very well.
What created "god"?
And what created that?
You have no idea. No one does. We go back far enough, and the only answer is "we don't know".
Better honest ignorance than dishonest presumption of knowledge beyond our capacities.
DF
ML, do you believe in creationism? The perceived Christian God's effort to produce all that we observe and see?
And if you do, why?
(Take your time, I'll wait.)
quote:I just love being right.
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
quote:The reasons why we know the Earth is 4.7 Billion years old has nothing whatever to do with evolution.
quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
Why?
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:The reasons why we know the Earth is 4.7 Billion years old has nothing whatever to do with evolution.
This kind of confusion has always bothered me a little, Deep.
You are right in this context, of course; Evolution (the study of life AFTER it started) is is a wholly seperate discipline from cosmology and "big bang theory." However, this concept can obviously be quite confusing. Honestly, I can understand the confusion. There obviously is quite a bit of overlap between origins of the universe and origins of life.
All this to say that, while I perfectly understand (and agree with) your statement that the formation of earth has "nothing to do with evolution," that statement is also misleading. Obviously, the formation of the earth into a "life friendly" environment has very much to do with evolution as well.
So, I agree with you, of course. But I also understand why there is confusion. This is a difficult concept for a scientifically illiterate audience.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
M,
Your childish repetition of "why" is really grating.
What created "god"?
And what created that?
DF
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
BINGO!! Thanks DeepFat! You hit the nail square on the head. Thanks for just proving my argument.
If we don't know how far back the universe was created, who created it or when it was created........how in the heck can you evolutionary types tell me with certainty what happened 4 billion years ago!!!!!
Point proven.......
I knew with a litle rope it would all come out.
Thanks
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Faithquote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
Why?
quote:I gotta say, Deep, it is you that is grating on my nerves. I don't know how many times I have to say it for you to unplug your ears and listen..... George Bush, it's all his fault. Wink
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Faithquote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
Why?
Good thing for you you weren't born in Iran. You'd be wearing an explosive girdle, and jabbering about virgins by now.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:The reasons why we know the Earth is 4.7 Billion years old has nothing whatever to do with evolution.
This kind of confusion has always bothered me a little, Deep.
You are right in this context, of course; Evolution (the study of life AFTER it started) is is a wholly seperate discipline from cosmology and "big bang theory." However, this concept can obviously be quite confusing. Honestly, I can understand the confusion. There obviously is quite a bit of overlap between origins of the universe and origins of life.
All this to say that, while I perfectly understand (and agree with) your statement that the formation of earth has "nothing to do with evolution," that statement is also misleading. Obviously, the formation of the earth into a "life friendly" environment has very much to do with evolution as well.
So, I agree with you, of course. But I also understand why there is confusion. This is a difficult concept for a scientifically illiterate audience.
Hi Y'all,
WOW! Can you imagine? Two Atheist agree with one another!
Be still my heart.
Now, all y'all have to do is to start agreeing with God -- and your life will be complete.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
All right, crusty. No parmesan cheese on your holy noodle sacrificial dinner tonight.
"Eat this, it's linguine. Drink this, it's a nice chianti." -- Noodlemeister
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Faithquote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
Why?
quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Faithquote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Yes.
Why?
Why do you have faith?
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Daily proof their is a higher power named GOD.
quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Daily proof their is a higher power named GOD.
You can show me the proof as to "why" you believe in a god.
quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Sure.................you.quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by MLentz:
Daily proof their is a higher power named GOD.
You can show me the proof as to "why" you believe in a god.