Scientists Speak About Intelligent Design

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Very simple, M. Indeed, facile. Simple-minded, as well.

To say "god done it" is to embrace ignorance and reject curiosity. You go right ahead, the world will advance without you.

DF

MLentz
I guess the world will advance without us christains I wouldn't want to advance with that kind of world cause you know what kind of world it will be after the return of Jesus.

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:

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Very simple, M. Indeed, facile. Simple-minded, as well.

To say "god done it" is to embrace ignorance and reject curiosity. You go right ahead, the world will advance without you. DF

MLentz I guess the world will advance without us Christians I wouldn't want to advance with that kind of world cause you know what kind of world it will be after the return of Jesus.

Hi 2 Each and MLentz,

Isn't if funny; they scream for knowledge, they bow at the altar of knowledge -- yet, they reject the true authority of knowledge -- the Bible. Has anyone ever heard the saying, "The blind leading the blind"?

2 Corinthians 4:3-4, "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

But, we are told in 2 Corinthians 4:5-6, "For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, 'Light shall shine out of darkness,' is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."

We just have to keep in mind that, "In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (John 1:4-5).

For Jesus told us, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." (John 8:12).

Once again, I am reminded of the story told of John Ruskin, artist, scientist, poet, environmentalist, philosopher, and the pre-eminent art critic of his time (1819-1900). This was written by Ralph L. Woods in The Guideposts Treasury of Faith.

A GENUINE CHRISTIAN

One evening during the latter part of his life in the late 1800s, John Ruskin, an artist, scientist, poet, and philosopher --- sat at a window in his home watching a lamplighter, with torch in hand, ignite the street lamps on a distant hill. Since it was dark the lamplighter himself could not be seen, but his progress up the hill could be observed as successive lamps were lighted.

After a few minutes Ruskin turned to a friend and said, "That illustrates what I mean by a genuine Christian. You may not know him or ever see him, but his way has been marked by the lights he leaves burning."

So, my Christian Forum Friends, do not allow the skepticism of our non-believing Friends to deter you from being a light shining forth His glory as we share His Gospel with all who will hear.

We will just keep sharing from the true Book of Knowledge, the Bible -- and pray that many eyes will be opened by it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Jesus is dead. If he ever lived, that is. He ain't coming back. He's gone.

Once we're dead, we're dead. Gone.

After the Plagues, the wars of the 20th Century, the oppression of the Jews.... what would it take for Jesus to return?

It's time to admit his "return" is a fiction. A myth. A fantasy.

DF

Hi Deep,

You declare, "Jesus is dead. If he ever lived, that is. He ain't coming back. He's gone. Once we're dead, we're dead. Gone. After the Plagues, the wars of the 20th Century, the oppression of the Jews.... what would it take for Jesus to return? It's time to admit his "return" is a fiction. A myth. A fantasy."

Well, my Friend, both secular and Biblical historians attest that He lived. His empty tomb attest to the fact that He is not there. And the fact that over 500 people saw Him ALIVE -- AFTER His crucifixion, for forty days -- and many saw Him ascend into heaven. These, my Friend, are facts.

Is He going to return? You bet He is! In over 1800 prophecies, at least 300 about Jesus alone -- ALL have been proven to have occurred -- EXCEPT for His return. Let's say I take you to the race track and tell you, in 1800 consecutive races, who will win -- and I was right every time. In every race, you won your bet -- because I was right every single time. If I could do that -- and then told you in race 1801 who would win; would you bet on that horse?

There is nothing in this world that could stop you from betting on Horse 1801. It is a sure winner. Just look, I was right on the first 1800 races -- how could I miss on 1801? This is an absolute win-win situation.

Well, my Friend, Jesus Christ is Horse 1801! He is going to win! It is an absolute guaranteed certainty -- He will win; He will return just as the Bible prophecies. If I were you, I would run to the nearest Christian and place your bet. You will win treasures unimaginable -- a mansion in heaven, walk on streets of gold, have eternal happiness, no more sorrows, no more pain -- just eternal bliss. Ready to place your bet?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And the fact that over 500 people saw Him ALIVE -- AFTER His crucifixion, for forty days -- and many saw Him ascend into heaven. These, my Friend, are facts.

These "facts" were invented up to 150 years after his supposed death. Why, it like me claiming Darwin rose from the dead, isn't it?

There is a striking absence of evidence for Jesus outside the bible. Like none.

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And the fact that over 500 people saw Him ALIVE -- AFTER His crucifixion, for forty days -- and many saw Him ascend into heaven. These, my Friend, are facts.

These "facts" were invented up to 150 years after his supposed death. Why, it like me claiming Darwin rose from the dead, isn't it?

There is a striking absence of evidence for Jesus outside the bible. Like none.

Hi Fish,

Once again, your wishful thinking is wrong. There is evidence of Jesus in both Biblical and secular historical writings.

If you had ventured into the book you wife bought for you, "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel -- you would know this.

You really should read this book. It will make you burn your Darwin books.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Once again, your wishful thinking is wrong. There is evidence of Jesus in both Biblical and secular historical writings.

Give me two examples outside of biblical reference. No need to write a book, Bill. Just two examples. Post the links.

I tried the Lee Strobel book. It was horribly written and circularly-referenced.

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Once again, your wishful thinking is wrong. There is evidence of Jesus in both Biblical and secular historical writings.

Give me two examples outside of biblical reference. No need to write a book, Bill. Just two examples. Post the links.

I tried the Lee Strobel book. It was horribly written and circularly-referenced.

Hi Fish,

Sorry, my Friend, but to you, a straight line from point A to point B would be circular reasoning.

Unfortunately, that is a condition shared by all without spiritual discernment. However, there is a sure cure. Take one large dose of Bible every evening before bedtime -- guaranteed to cure your soul.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

GF,

Mr. Bill does not recognize the difference between circular reasoning and linear reasoning.

What a surprise.

I'm familiar with Lee Strobel, too, and his intellectual value is somewhere between nematode worms and fungi.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
GF,

Mr. Bill does not recognize the difference between circular reasoning and linear reasoning.

What a surprise.

I'm familiar with Lee Strobel, too, and his intellectual value is somewhere between nematode worms and fungi.

DF

Hi Deep,

While we all realize that atheists are not personally held to moral values regarding truths and untruths; let me ask you a question.

Have you ever read a single book written by Lee Strobel? I did not think so. Keep in mind that flipping through a book and reading a few lines here and a few lines there -- is not reading a book.

Therefore how can you honestly make a judgment call on the intellectual content of any of his books?

As you and I both know; the answer is that your knowledge of Lee Strobel is that he believes in and writes about a belief different from your atheist belief -- therefore he is ignorant.

Doesn't this attitude and approach strike you as being somewhat intellectually lacking?

Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Sorry, my Friend, but to you, a straight line from point A to point B would be circular reasoning.

No, you will not produce an answer because there IS no answer, Bill. The truth is that you are a liar when you state that there are "secular" references to Jesus.

The truth is that there is no evidence outside the bible for the existence of Jesus. None. Heck, even the bible itself displays an amazing lack of support for this character.

Why no "Book of Jesus" for example?

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As you and I both know; the answer is that your knowledge of Lee Strobel is that he believes in and writes about a belief different from your atheist belief -- therefore he is ignorant.

I made it through a couple of hundred pages, Bill. Deep is right, it is simply a horribly written book full of circular reasoning and half truths.

The only people that would buy into his book are those already poisoned by illogic.