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Government Issues

May 9, 2002
Violent Crime Increased When Countries Banned Guns

Gun-control advocates conveniently ignore the fact that the countries with the highest homicide rates have gun bans, says researcher John R. Lott Jr. The three worst public shootings in the past year all occurred in Europe, which has enacted everything American gun-control proponents favor.

Around the world, from Australia to England, countries that have recently strengthened gun-control laws with the promise of lowering crime have instead seen violent crime soar.

* In the four years after the United Kingdom banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by an astounding 40 percent.
* Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51 percent, unarmed robberies by 37 percent, assaults by 24 percent and kidnappings by 43 percent.
* While murders in Australia fell by 3 percent, manslaughter rose by 16 percent.

Finally, he notes, there exists not one single academic study showing that the federal Brady Act, assault-weapons bans, state waiting periods, background checks, one-gun-a-month rules or safe-storage laws reduce violent crime. Some research even finds that these rules increase crime.

Source: John R. Lott Jr. (American Enterprise Institute), "Gun laws don't reduce crime," USA Today, May 9, 2002.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Government Issues

May 9, 2002
Violent Crime Increased When Countries Banned Guns

Gun-control advocates conveniently ignore the fact that the countries with the highest homicide rates have gun bans, says researcher John R. Lott Jr. The three worst public shootings in the past year all occurred in Europe, which has enacted everything American gun-control proponents favor.

Around the world, from Australia to England, countries that have recently strengthened gun-control laws with the promise of lowering crime have instead seen violent crime soar.

* In the four years after the United Kingdom banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by an astounding 40 percent.
* Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51 percent, unarmed robberies by 37 percent, assaults by 24 percent and kidnappings by 43 percent.
* While murders in Australia fell by 3 percent, manslaughter rose by 16 percent.

Finally, he notes, there exists not one single academic study showing that the federal Brady Act, assault-weapons bans, state waiting periods, background checks, one-gun-a-month rules or safe-storage laws reduce violent crime. Some research even finds that these rules increase crime.

Source: John R. Lott Jr. (American Enterprise Institute), "Gun laws don't reduce crime," USA Today, May 9, 2002.


LOL,,the "American Enterprise Institute", are you serious? I'm surprised that Dick Cheney didn't write it, after all, he's the poster boy for responsible gun ownership as well as an AEI patron.

How do you expect to be taken seriously, Sam?
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Originally posted by LE89:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
It's time to go after the guns. If the conservonuts want major cuts in entitlements, the righteous Democrats should go after the guns.


Just hang a sign out by your mailbox that says "NO GUNS HERE".


That, or his next door neighbors could put up signs that say "my neighbor doesnt believe in guns, so I wont bother to protect him with mine either." Big Grin
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Originally posted by b50m:
LOL, you think outlawing guns will stop access to one?

If this guy is a criminal, he would have used a knife, a screwdriver, a rock, anything.

Outlaw all kitchen utensils and work tools.


If he's a criminal, he's not gonna care that he's breaking the law by having a gun.

Don't come near my house. We know how to use our weapons. Wink
Even if guns were made illegal and banned(which I don't see happening anytime soon) there would always be guns around and available. Look at drugs as a case in point... In all honesty they would probably become easier to get.

Just my honest opinion.



On a side note: If this story is really true then they sure are keeping it hush hush.
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by LE89:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
It's time to go after the guns. If the conservonuts want major cuts in entitlements, the righteous Democrats should go after the guns.


Just hang a sign out by your mailbox that says "NO GUNS HERE".


That, or his next door neighbors could put up signs that say "my neighbor doesnt believe in guns, so I wont bother to protect him with mine either." Big Grin



What do I need to be protected from?
1) Apparrently there was not a shooting, but an ambulance was called.???? If even that is true. I shouldn't listen to gossip, but that is why I asked here to see if it was true or not. Sorry.

2) Don't try to take away my guns, I need protection from the crooks who will have them no matter the law. Bad folks will make a weapon no matter what you take away, so don't take away my ability to protect myself.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by martyr:
go after the guns? what does gun ownership have to do with anything?


If he didn't have access to a gun, no one would have gotten shot. Get the guns, society doesn't need them around.


Thank god they have outlawed cocaine and other drugs and no one has to be worried about getting hooked on those. If they will just outlaw guns then no one will ever get shot again!!

Thank you so much for suggesting this!!!

Guns are not the problem, people who think getting guns out of citizens hands are the problem!!
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by b50m:
LOL, you think outlawing guns will stop access to one?

If this guy is a criminal, he would have used a knife, a screwdriver, a rock, anything.

Outlaw all kitchen utensils and work tools.


Nope, just guns.


You can have all my guns, after you pry them from my cold dead fingers.
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Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Even if guns were made illegal and banned(which I don't see happening anytime soon) there would always be guns around and available. Look at drugs as a case in point... In all honesty they would probably become easier to get.

Just my honest opinion.



On a side note: If this story is really true then they sure are keeping it hush hush.



Sounds to me like the issue is crappy law enforcement.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Even if guns were made illegal and banned(which I don't see happening anytime soon) there would always be guns around and available. Look at drugs as a case in point... In all honesty they would probably become easier to get.

Just my honest opinion.



On a side note: If this story is really true then they sure are keeping it hush hush.



Sounds to me like the issue is crappy law enforcement.


How about using your system to fix crack and meth? After you get that done with that, we'll see about your gun suggestion.
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Originally posted by barksdale.jeff:
It's against the law for a citizen of Mexico to own a gun.

I wonder what their violent crime statistics are like?

I think they just happen to have the highest murder rates in the world.

Keep blaming law enforcement Opie


It is a law enforcement issue. It's pretty well established where Mexico's guns are coming from and it points to shabby law enforcement around straw purchases of firearms.

Most of the problems of society can be laid at the feet of Religion or Law Enforcement.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by barksdale.jeff:
It's against the law for a citizen of Mexico to own a gun.

I wonder what their violent crime statistics are like?

I think they just happen to have the highest murder rates in the world.

Keep blaming law enforcement Opie


It is a law enforcement issue. It's pretty well established where Mexico's guns are coming from and it points to shabby law enforcement around straw purchases of firearms.

Most of the problems of society can be laid at the feet of Religion or Law Enforcement.



Yes Opie it should never be laid at the feet of individuals. Always blame an establishment, its much easier.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by barksdale.jeff:
It's against the law for a citizen of Mexico to own a gun.

I wonder what their violent crime statistics are like?

I think they just happen to have the highest murder rates in the world.

Keep blaming law enforcement Opie


It is a law enforcement issue. It's pretty well established where Mexico's guns are coming from and it points to shabby law enforcement around straw purchases of firearms.

Most of the problems of society can be laid at the feet of Religion or Law Enforcement.


You aren't much on personal responsibility are you? And your stance on law enforcement is a joke. You expect the police to solve the nation's problems, yet you give us less credit than a traveling salesman peddling snake oil. Pick a side and stay there.

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