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I would not be comfortable in a country controlled by Muslim religion or controlled  by atheist philosophy.  I am not uncomfortable being in a country where the beliefs of Islam and atheism are held by some or many, so long as my Constitutional freedoms are protected.  Unlike paranoid and hysterical nutjobs on the far right, I do not see any likelihood of the imposition of Sharia law in this country.

 

Also, I do not want the religio-political tenets of Christian Nationalism to be given any legal empowerment in this country.  These wackos, were they to have their way, would set up a theocracy, and the laws of that theocracy would be based on THEIR interpretations of the will of God, something the founding fathers would never have supported!

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“Shariah Law’s main “mouthpiece” and organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, has as its goal the downfall of the West and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate. Their motto is “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

Middle East analyst Marwan Muasher declared: “The Muslim Brotherhood has been used for a long time as a scare tactic.” Then he half-heartedly added: “That is not to say they don’t have designs.” This militant spokesperson oversees research for the Middle East at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, funded by leftist multi-billionaire GEORGE SOROS, one of the leftist world’s most influential men, politically.

According to Frontpagemag.com: “Soros is waging his own personal ideological war against America by shoveling seemingly limitless funds into organizations giving life to his ‘progressive’ vision of social justice.”

“That vision, like the Muslim Brotherhood’s, identifies America and Israel as the ‘Great Satan’ and ‘Little Satan’ respectively, who must be demolished to pave the way for a purifying, redemptive utopia.”

“Soros and his spokesmen like Muasher see opportunity in the unrest roiling in the Middle East and North Africa – opportunity to support the enemy. The numerous ties of Soros and his Shadow Party cohorts have been documented; they include the master puppeteer’s own Open Society Institute and various anti-Western Islamist groups in the revolutions. It has been confirmed, for instance, that the International Crisis Group (ICG), led in part by Soros, has long petitioned for the Egyptian government to ‘normalize’ ties with the previously banned Brotherhood.”

The Muslim Brotherhood is gaining popularity by leaps and bounds in Egypt. Some say the election will show just exactly how strong they are in Egypt…..very strong!

With our heart and soul, we will stand against Mr. Soros, the Muslim Brotherhood and Shariah Law! This is literally a battle of survival for the integrity of the United States and our U.S. Constitution. But with the pro-Muslim leadership of Barack Hussein Obama, we must continue in this all-out war for the literal soul of America.

Skippy

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Hi Skippy,

 

Just curious -- did YOU write that post?  Or did you find it at:  http://www.conservativeactiona...g-american-courts-2/

 

If one can copy/paste all those paragraphs -- is it such an effort to copy/paste the URL link so that the true writer is credited.  Also, this allows your Forum Friends the chance to read the original -- just to be sure YOU haven't edited or changed the content of the message. 

 

I am not saying I disagree with what you have posted -- just that it is good practice when having dialogues with others -- to reveal your source of information.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Unob, if it DOES happen, it fits right in with the scripture I just posted on another thread. We Christians WILL be persecuted, we WILL be killed. Brother WILL rise up against brother, children WILL turn in their parents. And those of us who hold fast will be blessed in the end.

 

I wonder, is there anything in your belief system that YOU would willingly suffer and die for?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Okay, Jennifer,

 

The sky is blue - and the clouds are white.  What is your atheist take on that statement?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

 

 I'm not Jennifer  and I don't know what anyone's religion has to do with it. But, I see that there is a whole lot bigger system than what could be contained in this tiny planet we call Earth!

Originally Posted by O No!:

 

I wonder, is there anything in your belief system that YOU would willingly suffer and die for?


I do not have a "belief system" Ono . . . Or perhaps I have some "faith" in the power of reason, science and logic that is tempered with a strong "belief" that freedom is paramount to civilized society.

So, yes, absolutely, I would willingly give my life to defend my and your rights.  I can even imagine sacrificing myself for YOUR beliefs in a world where Islamic radicals run the world.  But I would also sacrifice myself for Islam if Christianity even took completely control of this country.  It has the potential of being just as much a religion of hate as Islam.  The same words of condemning and killing apostates and non-believers are contained in both holy books.  It just doesn't seem to be practiced by Christians nearly as much as Muslims.  But I could be wrong there on a global scale.

Do yourself a favor sometime:  Check out the movie, "The Ledge" for an atheistic view of sacrificing for others.

Originally Posted by b50m:

I was under the impression that atheists consider all religions to be nothing but 'hate'.

Why pick out the Islam faith?

 

Nah, I have a deep respect for Buddhism (which is technically "atheistic") and, of course, Jainism.  Even Hinduism has it's charms but that might be because I respect and love the work of Mohandas Gandhi so much (if there is ever a person on this earth that we should all try to emulate, it is not Jesus but Gandhi - a real person who died for the sins of many).

Christianity is a religion of hate and intolerance but I THINK the Muslim faith is even worse.  Not by much but worse.  One of the main tenets of Islam is to take control of government and force people to accept their faith. I believe they are slowly making strides in that.  Again, using London as an example, the legally enforced "tolerance" of all religions has led to a massive influx of fundamental Muslims into many areas of Europe. Political power is being gained by these nutty people.

I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories but I do see the evidence of an organized effort to gain numbers.  I just hope our Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of religion is strong enough to withstand the onslaught. 

Originally Posted by O No!:

Unob, if it DOES happen, it fits right in with the scripture I just posted on another thread. We Christians WILL be persecuted, we WILL be killed. Brother WILL rise up against brother, children WILL turn in their parents. And those of us who hold fast will be blessed in the end.

 

I wonder, is there anything in your belief system that YOU would willingly suffer and die for?

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I think if civilization does fall apart, it'd have much more to do with peak oil or some disaster wiping out arable land for crops. Some envronmental disaster or even war. In the 80s a lot of us thought we'd have to try to survive a nuclear war and the ensuing big winter...  Either way-if T.S.H.T.F. and brings about T.E.O.T.W.A.W.K.I., it will most likely have nothing atall to do with religion.

 

The fanatical religious wackjobs will just make what's left more interesting.

quote:   Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
I do not have a "belief system" Ono . . . Or perhaps I have some "faith" in the power of reason, science and logic that is tempered with a strong "belief" that freedom is paramount to civilized society. . . But I would also sacrifice myself for Islam if Christianity even took completely control of this country.  It has the potential of being just as much a religion of hate as Islam.  The same words of condemning and killing apostates and non-believers are contained in both holy books. It just doesn't seem to be practiced by Christians nearly as much as Muslims.  But I could be wrong there on a global scale.

Hi uno,

 

Do you not believe in your atheism?  Do you not believe that God does not exist?   Do you not believe that Christianity is a religion of hate?   Do you not believe that Christianity is bad for the world?   Do you not believe that Christianity is bad for children?  Do you not believe that Darwinian Evolution must be taught in all public schools?  Do you not believe that Creation, God, and the Bible should not be allowed on any public school property?

 

Well, my Friend -- it seems that you have quiet a large BELIEF SYSTEM.   Therefore, you have a religion.  It is the religion of atheism; but, I prefer to call it the Religion of Nothing; for you believe in and follow NOTHING.

 

You say about Christianity, "just as much a religion of hate as Islam."

 

In saying this, aren't you showing the hatred of Christianity found all through your Religion of Atheism?  So, you, too, have a religion of HATE -- right?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
 

In saying this, aren't you showing the hatred of Christianity found all through your Religion of Atheism?  So, you, too, have a religion of HATE -- right?


Exactly.  

There is some modicum of reasoning power in that old gray head, it seems.

YES, I BELIEVE your stupid evangelical, reality-denying, anti-intellectual religion is incredibly hateful -- second only to the Muslim faith. And a close second at that. If I'm not clear on this just let me know.

Atheism is not a religion.

I firmly believe the sun is gonna rise tomorrow, but I'm not going to worship it.

 

Funny how the simple, superstitious folks think that it is somehow a fundamental requirement of human existence to have to "worship" something.

 

It isn't.

 

BeeG is just playing a typical fundy word game. Same old circular arguments.

 

Read the fundy playbook. It's in there-and it's old and tired.

Unoi, you are forgetting, your religion of atheism is a religion of hate.

If you are not convinced of that go and listen to the free thinker series deep linked starting with Dr. Morgan.

I listened to the first two and they were so radical in nature it reminded me of hitler’s crowd. Deep actually is gleeful that these speeches contain something worth listing to. I wasted two hours listening to the $$$$ out of curiosity and to not allow my self to be closed minded.

I had planned instead to listen to lectures 2 and 3 on cosmology by Professor Licia Verde, of the University, Barcelona, Spain hosted by CERN as a part of the Summer Student Program to educate interested students an the public about the Large Hadron Collider. Two hours of my life wasted on deeps BS .

You people out there, atheistic and wannabes need to listen to some of deeps linked tirades. Rabid idiots absolutely worthless. Morgan is a worthless idiot and the chick in the second speech working on her PhD needs to be in the dormitory studying.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

Found a good quote.

 

"There are two tenets of atheism: One, there is no God. Two, I hate him."


Who did you quote? Was it an atheist? I'll admit I miss a lot but I haven't seen that one and I can't imagine an atheist saying they hate something that doesn't exist.

Good point. How can someone hate something that doesn't exist?

 

Why would someone be so preoccupied with something non-existent that they write books about it? They read books, post in forums, and make sure everyone knows they don't believe in this thing that does not exist, why?

 

I used to believe God was like Santa Claus for adults, but someone forgot to mention that He isn't real. I thought about God as much as people thought about Santa in July. Yet, in a message board about religion, there are people completely consumed with the idea of something non-existent. They spare no insult, no opportunity to disrespect. Subtly by refusing to capitalize the proper nouns and not so subtly by degrading those who disagree.

 

It just makes me wonder, what fuels the fascination with something non-existent?

Why would someone be so preoccupied with something non-existent that they write books about it? They read books, post in forums, and make sure everyone knows they don't believe in this thing that does not exist, why?

 

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That should be pretty obvious. If people kept that belief to themselves, in their own homes, taught it to their own children, scared their own children with that belief there would be no need to be here. But as long as there are people that want that belief in all our homes, forced onto all our children, guiding all our politics, using it to oppress and deny people rights because their lifestyle isn't sanctioned in their "holy book", using it as an excuse to hate other groups and go to war with them, we will be here. But you knew all that before you ask.

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer:

"They spare no insult, no opportunity to disrespect. Subtly by refusing to capitalize the proper nouns."

 

One day someone will explain how not capitalizing god or jesus (if that's what you're getting at) is an insult or disrespectful, and just who it insults or disrespects.


Hi Jennifer,

 

My Friend, if we have to explain that to you -- it is already too late.   Now, if you had gone to high school in Sheffield -- our teachers would have taught you proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.  But, possibly, in your town the schools were not as advanced.

 

So, whether you are just pretending to be this dense -- or you truly are -- if we have to explain this to you -- that would be like pouring a glass of water into the Tennessee River to make it wider.

 

Okay, now it is your turn.  Go ahead, jump up and down, screaming, "Oh, yeah?  Well, I can spit further than you!"   


C'est la vie!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Jennifer:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

Found a good quote.

 

"There are two tenets of atheism: One, there is no God. Two, I hate him."


Who did you quote? Was it an atheist? I'll admit I miss a lot but I haven't seen that one and I can't imagine an atheist saying they hate something that doesn't exist.

Good point. How can someone hate something that doesn't exist?

 

Why would someone be so preoccupied with something non-existent that they write books about it? They read books, post in forums, and make sure everyone knows they don't believe in this thing that does not exist, why?

 

I used to believe God was like Santa Claus for adults, but someone forgot to mention that He isn't real. I thought about God as much as people thought about Santa in July. Yet, in a message board about religion, there are people completely consumed with the idea of something non-existent. They spare no insult, no opportunity to disrespect. Subtly by refusing to capitalize the proper nouns and not so subtly by degrading those who disagree.

 

It just makes me wonder, what fuels the fascination with something non-existent?

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I'm not fascinated with a god that doesn't exist....I'm fascinated by people who are capable of throwing logic, acquired knowledge and common sense to the wind and believing in magic and ghosties and fairies.

Especially educated people who KNOW how a lotta stuff happened and how it works!

 

That's what I find fascinating. The 'stupid-on-purpose.' And THESE PEOPLE MAKE LAWS!

Laws that favor their particular flavor of craziness.

Written and unspoken social policies and behaviors that exclude anybody who doesn't think JUST like they do. 

School curriculum that not only includes but is based on magic, ghosties and fairies. If it were up to the fundies-EVERY child would be taught this mystical crap. More converts means bigger collection plates.

 

If it were just in church or in bible schools, I wouldn't have a problem with it atall. People choose to go to those places, unlike public schools where it is illegal NOT to attend.

 

 

 

Going by BeeG's last post, it appears that the fundies have once again run outta talent and have resorted to being grammar n azis again.

 

Oh...and sharia law? Puhleeze.  Not here. Not no way, not no how. We should be worried more about the christian fundies trying to establish a theocracy in the buckle of the bible belt than the muslims. Same crap-different flavor.

 

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My Friend, if we have to explain that to you -- it is already too late.   Now, if you had gone to high school in Sheffield -- our teachers would have taught you proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.  But, possibly, in your town the schools were not as advanced.

 

 

Seems you fail punctuation and capitalization.

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer:

I'll put my education against yours any day bill.  BTW, nash didn't capitalize atheism. Oh my, should I get in a snit??


Hi Jennifer,

 

Atheism is not a proper name, such as Christ and therefore Christian.    Atheism, like the adjectives conservative and liberal are not normally capitalized.  However, at times we do use caps for emphasis.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer:

"My Friend, if we have to explain that to you -- it is already too late.   Now, if you had gone to high school in Sheffield -- our teachers would have taught you proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.  But, possibly, in your town the schools were not as advanced."

 

Seems you fail punctuation and capitalization. 


Hi Jennifer,

 

You left out spelling.  However, where do you see a punctuation or capitalization error in my post?  If it is there, I will truly appreciate your correction -- for I do want my writings to be more readable.

 

We all can learn from others.  A few years ago, I had a Friend in my Friends Ministry mail list.  She was a retired school teacher -- and would occasionally catch me in a misspelled word or typo.  I always appreciated her input, for it made my writing better.  So, if you can help me, it will surely be appreciated.

 

But, just to be sure, check your own sources first.  Just maybe what you think is an error -- is not.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer:

"My Friend, if we have to explain that to you -- it is already too late.   Now, if you had gone to high school in Sheffield -- our teachers would have taught you proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.  But, possibly, in your town the schools were not as advanced."

 

Seems you fail punctuation and capitalization. 


Hi Jennifer,

 

You left out spelling.  However, where do you see a punctuation or capitalization error in my post?  If it is there, I will truly appreciate your correction -- for I do want my writings to be more readable.

 

We all can learn from others.  A few years ago, I had a Friend in my Friends Ministry mail list.  She was a retired school teacher -- and would occasionally catch me in a misspelled word or typo.  I always appreciated her input, for it made my writing better.  So, if you can help me, it will surely be appreciated.

 

But, just to be sure, check your own sources first.  Just maybe what you think is an error -- is not.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Send your posts along to your "friend" and let her show you the errors.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Why would someone be so preoccupied with something non-existent that they write books about it? They read books, post in forums, and make sure everyone knows they don't believe in this thing that does not exist, why?

 

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That should be pretty obvious. If people kept that belief to themselves, in their own homes, taught it to their own children, scared their own children with that belief there would be no need to be here. But as long as there are people that want that belief in all our homes, forced onto all our children, guiding all our politics, using it to oppress and deny people rights because their lifestyle isn't sanctioned in their "holy book", using it as an excuse to hate other groups and go to war with them, we will be here. But you knew all that before you ask.

Isn't atheism also shared with everyone in the same way? Billboards, bus signs, television, movies, music, and so on. I hear all the time about how God doesn't exist. Even though I don't agree with it, it doesn't bother me.

 

Why? Because I believe in freedom of expression. People have the right to express themselves and share their ideas. If I don't agree, I don't have to listen. I just tune it out or change the channel.

 

I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. You make the choice to log in to these forums. You choose to read  my posts, Joy's posts, even BG's posts. You make the choice to become preoccupied on something that does not exist because something drives you to do so.

 

You're right, I do know what that something is because I also didn't believe God existed. I wasn't driven enough to try to debate and challenged anyone who did believe, I simply didn't care. I lived my life without God and let other live theirs. I know why you feel the way you do, it's pretty obvious. However, can you admit it to yourself?

Nash, either you ignored or missed the point of my post. Preoccupied? No more than anyone else that posts here. Of course I know what's on this forum, and choose to be here.  And I want that to remain a choice and not have religion forced on me or others. That is my entire point. If a child is required to study the bible that is not freedom of choice. If  people are denied basic rights because christians don't like their lifestyle that is not freedom of choice. THAT is why I feel the way I do, no big deep dark secrets. It would be very nice if christians could live and let live, but they want to stick their nose into every area of a person's life. As far as politics go, no matter how qualified or good for the country someone might be, they have to pass the "religion test".  That's just wrong. So if you don't like the fact that people are beginning to speak up, I'm sorry. Religion has run our country and lives long enough. It's time people spoke up and said it doesn't have to be this way.

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