Any one remember this?
http://www.sunsonline.org/trade/process/followup/1998/11070798.htm
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Yeah I agree that this was a strange case. On the other hand, you are a strange individual so maybe that is why you are trying to start a consipracy theory on something that happened several years ago. Sounds like some police "left a bad taste in your mouth". No pun intended.
Some people do not have a life.
Good grief,,, this article is 10 years old..... I cant even remember reading none of this in the papers around here.....
Yes, and the Tommy Arthur saga is over 20 years old, and we're still debating it. As far as I know this case has never been officially "solved." A mystery is a mystery no matter how old. Of course the deceased in this case was black, so perhaps she did not and does not matter as much to some.
I'm sure the Muscle Shoals police were accurate in their investigation and assessment. I bet she just didnt want to return to Kenya.
I really can't understand why Tommy Arthur is even around to discuss. As usual, justice is slow and costly.
I really can't understand why Tommy Arthur is even around to discuss. As usual, justice is slow and costly.
I think the Muscle Shoals police were caught off guard when they tried to sweep it under the rug. I'm glad she had at least one person here in the US to stand up for her.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Yes, and the Tommy Arthur saga is over 20 years old, and we're still debating it. As far as I know this case has never been officially "solved." A mystery is a mystery no matter how old. Of course the deceased in this case was black, so perhaps she did not and does not matter as much to some.
Tommy Arthur is debated because he is always in the paper...... I would like to see a local accounting of this story instead of the link provided...... that one looks like it was hand written....... I know I live across the State Line,,,, but I have been reading TD for many years and never did read about that....... Where in MSC did it happen?...... Why were they trying to sweep it under the carpet?...... Not just because she was black,,,, there are many discussions here about white,, black,, yellow,, and red people so why didnt this story get attention?......
I didn't know the young lady personally, but I have several close friends that knew her, and they were greatly disturbed that this case was never officially "solved." According to them, her death was very suspicious. I had forgotten about it too, but if there is more to it, it's very sad that we may never know what really happened to her.
I remember when it happened.Apparently she was depressed over the death of a relative.What I think is spooky is that it happened bhind my house somewhere.Along the railroad track.
Actually, if you read TheFox's previous posts you will see that he posted this and several other negative things about local police departments. I truly think that this individual has had dealings with police... 
. Just a thought, but check out his other posts.
. Just a thought, but check out his other posts.quote:Of course the deceased in this case was black, so perhaps she did not and does not matter as much to some.
FV, friend, you may want to assert that you were being sarcastic before some goofball gets the wrong idea about you.
I've never heard of this case. I'm glad someone brought it up. Police DO NOT treat everyone equally.
quote:Originally posted by Macey08:
Actually, if you read TheFox's previous posts you will see that he posted this and several other negative things about local police departments. I truly think that this individual has had dealings with police...
Just check out Macey's posts if you want the opinion of a 6th grader.
Actually, I will be glad for you all to read my posts. Read my posts and you will see that "shugapush" is attacking all of my opinions. I am really wondering if "shugapush" and "thefox" are the same person....
ShugaPush-all police may not treat everyone equally, but that is not what this story is about. It was actually about if the woman hung herself or if it was murder. Did you even read the article or get on here to belittle me?
ShugaPush-all police may not treat everyone equally, but that is not what this story is about. It was actually about if the woman hung herself or if it was murder. Did you even read the article or get on here to belittle me?
Shuga
Read your posts if you want the spelling of a 6th grader.
Read your posts if you want the spelling of a 6th grader.
quote:Originally posted by TheFox:
Any one remember this?
http://www.sunsonline.org/trade/process/followup/1998/11070798.htm
you are sitting here telling everyone how this was so messed up, My post to you would be if you know something why dont you show up and tell what you know? but again that is why you are on here talking about it, well i will not say anything else.
since you started this post then why dont you just share what you know about the case, since you know, or was this just what you read in the paper, and I think that when someone's life is lost, like this young lady, then it does not matter if you are from kenya, or england, or the USA! The police will use everything they have to make sure the family of this lady has some closure, and i think that you also quoted a Bible verse earlier, if i am correct, then you know that if someone else was invloved, then it does not matter what we say or believe or do, that person will be judged and punished far beyond what we can do. And if i was not a christian, and read your qoutes and then seen you qouting the bible, and i would run from this type of religion.
Macey, the woman wasn't hung. She was hanged. Even I know that!
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Of course the deceased in this case was black, so perhaps she did not and does not matter as much to some.
FV, friend, you may want to assert that you were being sarcastic before some goofball gets the wrong idea about you.
Yes, this was intended as social commentary, not my feelings at all. I would hope the Muscle Shoals police would treat her murder (if that is indeed what it was) in the same manner they would if the Mayor were murdered. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Of course the deceased in this case was black, so perhaps she did not and does not matter as much to some.
FV, friend, you may want to assert that you were being sarcastic before some goofball gets the wrong idea about you.
Yes, this was intended as social commentary, not my feelings at all. I would hope the Muscle Shoals police would treat her murder (if that is indeed what it was) in the same manner they would if the Mayor were murdered. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case.
Injustice is not limited to law enforcement. I'm not saying that occured in this particular case nor am I speaking on the behalf of any police department.
I see a bunch of mud slinging on here but I still have not seen any accounting of this incident that is local..... Ppl just on here to make a comment or two,,,, but not the story behind it..... someone even said her feet was close enough to the ground to stand up if she had of wanted to...... I just don't remember it and I am really trying to because I have gotten TD for at least 15 years........ Any names or address or anything of public knowledge through the court houses that can be shared?....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:
I see a bunch of mud slinging on here but I still have not seen any accounting of this incident that is local..... Ppl just on here to make a comment or two,,,, but not the story behind it..... someone even said her feet was close enough to the ground to stand up if she had of wanted to...... I just don't remember it and I am really trying to because I have gotten TD for at least 15 years........ Any names or address or anything of public knowledge through the court houses that can be shared?....[/QUOTE
I dont know the facts, but if what i do remember is that she was behind DHR building now
pretty close to the baseball field in the little wooded area. and that is where they found her. and just for information purposes, someone can actually hang themsevles while sitting down. Not saying that is what happened, but if someone wants to kill themsevles then they are going to do it, no matter what. i do remember that this happened approx. around the late 90's or early 2000's i know this did not help much, but all i can remember at this time.
I see a bunch of mud slinging on here but I still have not seen any accounting of this incident that is local..... Ppl just on here to make a comment or two,,,, but not the story behind it..... someone even said her feet was close enough to the ground to stand up if she had of wanted to...... I just don't remember it and I am really trying to because I have gotten TD for at least 15 years........ Any names or address or anything of public knowledge through the court houses that can be shared?....[/QUOTE
I dont know the facts, but if what i do remember is that she was behind DHR building now
pretty close to the baseball field in the little wooded area. and that is where they found her. and just for information purposes, someone can actually hang themsevles while sitting down. Not saying that is what happened, but if someone wants to kill themsevles then they are going to do it, no matter what. i do remember that this happened approx. around the late 90's or early 2000's i know this did not help much, but all i can remember at this time.
The incident happened in 2001 not long after 9/11. She was laying on her back and supposedly slid down the enbankment. The article would have been in the Timesdaily sometime in October or November. The fact that it followed 9/11 and the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam being bombed has added to the speculation.
quote:Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:
I see a bunch of mud slinging on here but I still have not seen any accounting of this incident that is local..... Ppl just on here to make a comment or two,,,, but not the story behind it..... someone even said her feet was close enough to the ground to stand up if she had of wanted to...... I just don't remember it and I am really trying to because I have gotten TD for at least 15 years........ Any names or address or anything of public knowledge through the court houses that can be shared?....
Total, the linked article states that it happened in 1998, not 2001. It was a short time after some embassy bombings, not the terrorist attacks.
Being the first time I've heard of this, it's awfully strange, indeed. Bless her heart, either way.
It was indeed 1998. Here is more info.
http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=usa&x=mutheki
http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=usa&x=mutheki
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:quote:Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:
I see a bunch of mud slinging on here but I still have not seen any accounting of this incident that is local..... Ppl just on here to make a comment or two,,,, but not the story behind it..... someone even said her feet was close enough to the ground to stand up if she had of wanted to...... I just don't remember it and I am really trying to because I have gotten TD for at least 15 years........ Any names or address or anything of public knowledge through the court houses that can be shared?....
Total, the linked article states that it happened in 1998, not 2001. It was a short time after some embassy bombings, not the terrorist attacks.
Confused
on how your comment relates to mine?....quote:Originally posted by CrimsonLegacy198:
It was indeed 1998. Here is more info.
http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=usa&x=mutheki
That is just so sad but very different that the original link posted...... first of all, what dormitory is in Muscle Shoals City?.... Original posters link was talking about MSC and the Mayor and stuff...... but this one is different in facts...... I feel so bad for this young lady...... and I would like nothing better than to see someone in the Shoals Area take up this investigation and get all the facts to bring closure to this family..... May she rest in peace........
Total, many individuals use the term dormitory to connote any location where several students, etc., live. I believe even our prison system refers to its accomodations as dorms.
I was living in Athens when this occurred and don't remember a great deal about it. A case for a suicide could be made for any among us if someone tried hard enough (bills, unhappy relationships, bad health, death of a family member, etc.).
If I, as a nursing student, wished to commit suicide, I believe that I would be able to obtain a large amount of potassium. After injection it would stop the heart almost immediately. It is certainly a preferred choice of suicide for many physicians.
I was living in Athens when this occurred and don't remember a great deal about it. A case for a suicide could be made for any among us if someone tried hard enough (bills, unhappy relationships, bad health, death of a family member, etc.).
If I, as a nursing student, wished to commit suicide, I believe that I would be able to obtain a large amount of potassium. After injection it would stop the heart almost immediately. It is certainly a preferred choice of suicide for many physicians.
I have had 2 different family members commit suicide.
I have read extensively about suicide and how to cope with the aftermath, etc. I have never heard of anyone committing the act in such an "open" manner. If someone is SERIOUS about suicide, they would hide. Simply because someone would mess up their plan. Someone would call for help or try and talk them out of it. If someone is THAT distraught to take their life, they wouldn't do it in a "commons" area.
For her body to be hanging from a random tree outside in a "common" area seems to be obviously a homicide made to look like a suicide.
Of course, a small town would rarely have to deal with suicides and especially mysterious ones, so I could see how the MSPD would not have "experience" in dealing with mysterious cases as this.
Her feet hanging that close to the ground sounds like she was already dead and just hung in the tree to appear as a suicide.
Sounds like the PD was just completely blind-sided and baffled.
Poor girl. And I agree with Firenze. I THINK, I read in the original posted article that she was a nursing student?!? (can't remember exactly) IF she was studying nursing, she would probably have been able to find "easier" "less painful" methods to take her own life, such as taking something....
Hanging from a tree?
It just SCREAMS homicide.
Even though one of my relatives was obviously depressed and every single indication was suicide, the town's PD was very ineffective and "slow" at bringing the case to a close.
The other death was not so cut and dry. It very easily could have been accidental and even a possible homicide. Not enough evidence pointed to strictly suicide, but ultimately was ruled that way.
t's just easier to rule a case suicide because only the victim knows the motive and police don't HAVE to determine much of anything related to a motive, unlike a homicide. It's very easy to just say "Depression=Suicide. Case Closed".
Especially if there are few facts. I can imagine how overwhelmed police could be, but it's still no excuse to give up on bringing closure to a family. I couldn't sleep at night if I had any possible doubt that a person might have been murdered or even some kind of freak accident happened.
Sad case. It's so sad for that poor girl.
I have read extensively about suicide and how to cope with the aftermath, etc. I have never heard of anyone committing the act in such an "open" manner. If someone is SERIOUS about suicide, they would hide. Simply because someone would mess up their plan. Someone would call for help or try and talk them out of it. If someone is THAT distraught to take their life, they wouldn't do it in a "commons" area.
For her body to be hanging from a random tree outside in a "common" area seems to be obviously a homicide made to look like a suicide.
Of course, a small town would rarely have to deal with suicides and especially mysterious ones, so I could see how the MSPD would not have "experience" in dealing with mysterious cases as this.
Her feet hanging that close to the ground sounds like she was already dead and just hung in the tree to appear as a suicide.
Sounds like the PD was just completely blind-sided and baffled.
Poor girl. And I agree with Firenze. I THINK, I read in the original posted article that she was a nursing student?!? (can't remember exactly) IF she was studying nursing, she would probably have been able to find "easier" "less painful" methods to take her own life, such as taking something....
Hanging from a tree?
It just SCREAMS homicide.
Even though one of my relatives was obviously depressed and every single indication was suicide, the town's PD was very ineffective and "slow" at bringing the case to a close.
The other death was not so cut and dry. It very easily could have been accidental and even a possible homicide. Not enough evidence pointed to strictly suicide, but ultimately was ruled that way.
t's just easier to rule a case suicide because only the victim knows the motive and police don't HAVE to determine much of anything related to a motive, unlike a homicide. It's very easy to just say "Depression=Suicide. Case Closed".
Especially if there are few facts. I can imagine how overwhelmed police could be, but it's still no excuse to give up on bringing closure to a family. I couldn't sleep at night if I had any possible doubt that a person might have been murdered or even some kind of freak accident happened.
Sad case. It's so sad for that poor girl.
Also, I'd rather not go into specifics about my family member's deaths. More out of their respect than for my own.
I made peace with the fact, and try my hardest to reach out when I see others who are distraught or distressed, because I never saw either coming until after the fact.
I only brought it up to point out that suicide is a familiar subject that is close to my heart and mind.
I also thought about this poor girl's situation more, and wondered if the PD ever looked into her mental state. She might not have been "depressed" as they tried to emphasize. She seemed VERY paranoid. Is it possible with moving to a new country, studying in college, alone in a new, small town, away from her friends and family that she suffered some kind of mental breakdown than just being depressed? Maybe coupled with more serious things like hallucinations and paranoia?
This is really starting to weigh heavily upon my heart.
It sounds like she was just discarded and classified as a depressed outsider and forgotten.
I made peace with the fact, and try my hardest to reach out when I see others who are distraught or distressed, because I never saw either coming until after the fact.
I only brought it up to point out that suicide is a familiar subject that is close to my heart and mind.
I also thought about this poor girl's situation more, and wondered if the PD ever looked into her mental state. She might not have been "depressed" as they tried to emphasize. She seemed VERY paranoid. Is it possible with moving to a new country, studying in college, alone in a new, small town, away from her friends and family that she suffered some kind of mental breakdown than just being depressed? Maybe coupled with more serious things like hallucinations and paranoia?
This is really starting to weigh heavily upon my heart.
It sounds like she was just discarded and classified as a depressed outsider and forgotten.
quote:Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:quote:Originally posted by CrimsonLegacy198:
It was indeed 1998. Here is more info.
http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=usa&x=mutheki
That is just so sad but very different that the original link posted...... first of all, what dormitory is in Muscle Shoals City?.... Original posters link was talking about MSC and the Mayor and stuff...... but this one is different in facts...... I feel so bad for this young lady...... and I would like nothing better than to see someone in the Shoals Area take up this investigation and get all the facts to bring closure to this family..... May she rest in peace........
It happened behind the dorm rooms at NWSCC. It would have been just north of the baseball field.
quote:Originally posted by Si, se puede!:
I have had 2 different family members commit suicide.
I have read extensively about suicide and how to cope with the aftermath, etc. I have never heard of anyone committing the act in such an "open" manner. If someone is SERIOUS about suicide, they would hide. Simply because someone would mess up their plan. Someone would call for help or try and talk them out of it. If someone is THAT distraught to take their life, they wouldn't do it in a "commons" area.
For her body to be hanging from a random tree outside in a "common" area seems to be obviously a homicide made to look like a suicide.
Of course, a small town would rarely have to deal with suicides and especially mysterious ones, so I could see how the MSPD would not have "experience" in dealing with mysterious cases as this.
Her feet hanging that close to the ground sounds like she was already dead and just hung in the tree to appear as a suicide.
Sounds like the PD was just completely blind-sided and baffled.
Poor girl. And I agree with Firenze. I THINK, I read in the original posted article that she was a nursing student?!? (can't remember exactly) IF she was studying nursing, she would probably have been able to find "easier" "less painful" methods to take her own life, such as taking something....
Hanging from a tree?
It just SCREAMS homicide.
Even though one of my relatives was obviously depressed and every single indication was suicide, the town's PD was very ineffective and "slow" at bringing the case to a close.
The other death was not so cut and dry. It very easily could have been accidental and even a possible homicide. Not enough evidence pointed to strictly suicide, but ultimately was ruled that way.
t's just easier to rule a case suicide because only the victim knows the motive and police don't HAVE to determine much of anything related to a motive, unlike a homicide. It's very easy to just say "Depression=Suicide. Case Closed".
Especially if there are few facts. I can imagine how overwhelmed police could be, but it's still no excuse to give up on bringing closure to a family. I couldn't sleep at night if I had any possible doubt that a person might have been murdered or even some kind of freak accident happened.
Sad case. It's so sad for that poor girl.
This is not an open area, and you would have to walk a short distance from the campus. The enbankment itself would hide you from public view. There have been numerous suicides in northwest Alabama, so I don't see inexperience being a problem. She was lying on her back, so her entire body was in contact with the ground. There are a number of documented cases of mysterious suicides.
I also don't see why everyone is focusing on this particular case. While this was a sad and somewhat mysterious death there are a number of unsolved homicides in this area. These cases were actually ruled homicides. There are 11 unsolved homicide cases in the Shoals that date back to the mid-1980s. The two oldest are in Lauderdale and Colbert counties.
We've actually had a topic on that, perhaps I could dig it up, no pun intended. I was curious as to why it stopped in 1986 with Tommy Morris. There are some even older.
I have a friend in Red Bay who speaks of the bombing that killed Mayor Flippo and his wife. That is fascinating...and a cold case.
I have a friend in Red Bay who speaks of the bombing that killed Mayor Flippo and his wife. That is fascinating...and a cold case.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
We've actually had a topic on that, perhaps I could dig it up, no pun intended. I was curious as to why it stopped in 1986 with Tommy Morris. There are some even older.
I have a friend in Red Bay who speaks of the bombing that killed Mayor Flippo and his wife. That is fascinating...and a cold case.
I've actually never heard of the bombing, but would like to learn more about it.
I found the topic you mentioned.
http://forums.timesdaily.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5521043...641056346#8641056346
http://forums.timesdaily.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5521043...641056346#8641056346
quote:Originally posted by CrimsonLegacy198:quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
We've actually had a topic on that, perhaps I could dig it up, no pun intended. I was curious as to why it stopped in 1986 with Tommy Morris. There are some even older.
I have a friend in Red Bay who speaks of the bombing that killed Mayor Flippo and his wife. That is fascinating...and a cold case.
I've actually never heard of the bombing, but would like to learn more about it.
This probably deserves its own topic, but the facts as I know them:
Jerry Flippo (think that's the right first name) and his wife were asleep in their home early on a Sunday morning, probably in the early 1970s. An explosion tore their home apart, killing the couple. Officials suspected a natural gas leak, but none was found. What was found was evidence of explosives. The mayor and his wife were described as pillars of the community with no enemies. I will assume the ABI and FBI entered the case, but there were never any arrests made.
Anyone from that area remember any more details?
quote:Originally posted by TamaraKnight:
Macey, the woman wasn't hung. She was hanged. Even I know that!
Since I got a pm about this, here's what English as a 2nd language says:
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Simply hanged for people and hung for things.