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I am NOT making this up.  Pat Robertson, blithering wacko, has exceeded even his own prior wacky dithering.  He says that used clothing can indeed harbor demons and that to be safe, you should "rebuke" any spirits that might be present in that sweater you bought at Goodwill or that slightly wrinkled trench coat you got at the Salvation Army Thrift Store.

 

Demon-possessed clothing??!  Good grief!  How can anyone with half a brain place any confidence whatsoever in this wackadoodle varmint?

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat...-purchased-clothing/

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Hi Head,

 

During the 20 years I spent in the Roman Catholic church -- I had many objects prayed over and blessed by the priests, i.e., statues of Mary, Joseph, and other saints; rosaries; missals, etc.  Of course, at that time I was not a Christian believer and followed all the traditions and rituals that church told me to follow.

 

That is very similar to what Pat Robertson is suggesting -- which to me falls into the category of idolatry; just as does the praying over and blessing of statues of Roman Catholic designated Saints I did during those lost 20 years.

 

But, we have to keep in mind that Pat Robertson is part of the "Name It And Claim It" Prosperity Preaching group and not to be taken seriously on most issues.   Just as when he had Kenneth Copeland on his program to push Copeland's new book on prayer.  Copeland said, "When you pray, NEVER pray to God, 'Your will be done!' -- for that is wrong."    Well, if it is wrong -- then Jesus Christ prayed wrong in the Garden of Gethsemane, for He prayed, "My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done"  (Matthew 26:42). 

 

However, I have seen some good shows on CBN.  One was of a young journalist who went undercover to a Summer Seminar given by a Massachusetts School District.  The schools told these high school students to NOT tell their parents about the seminar.  And, at this seminar, there were sessions on how to make love, homosexual and lesbian style, and other equally wrong things which should not be taught to young kids.  The school district tried to sue the journalist for invading their privacy -- yet, had no problem with them, the school district officials, telling the students to lie to their parents about the seminar.  Can anyone spell LIBERAL?

 

Another show segment which was very good was about a pastor in Massachusetts.  God put on this pastor's heart to go and witness to a homosexual man who owned a string of abortion clinics.  At first, the man was hostile; but, the pastor persisted in a nice way to talk with him.  The pastor even invited the man to come to his home and have dinner with him and his family.  Such Christian love soon began to have an effect on this man.  Believe it or not, the man eventually became a Christian, closed his abortion clinics, and turned his life around.  The Holy Spirit can work wonders.

 

I have a video of these two segments, which I got free from CBN when they were shown.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

 

I am NOT making this up.  Pat Robertson, blithering wacko, has exceeded even his own prior wacky dithering.  He says that used clothing can indeed harbor demons and that to be safe, you should "rebuke" any spirits that might be present in that sweater you bought at Goodwill or that slightly wrinkled trench coat you got at the Salvation Army Thrift Store. 

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That's not as bad as some people believing Bill Gray to be a Christian.

A coulpe of corrections:  If you are Catholic, and believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then you are Christian.  Catholics were the first Christians, and until Luther, all Christians were Catholic.  I'm not surprised to read that Bill was not a believer.   

Idolatry is the worship of an idol.  No such thing occurs in the Catholic Church.  If one alleges that he spent 20 years in the Catholic Church, then he should know that. 

It is always said to see the same lies repeated here in these forums.  Very un-Christian.,

 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

If you are Catholic, and believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then you are Christian.  Catholics were the first Christians, and until Luther, all Christians were Catholic. 

It is always said to see the same lies repeated here in these forums.  Very un-Christian., 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

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Amazing! All those people that are going to Hell because their church has the wrong name over the door.  

Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

A coulpe of corrections:  If you are Catholic, and believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then you are Christian.  Catholics were the first Christians, and until Luther, all Christians were Catholic.  I'm not surprised to read that Bill was not a believer.   

Idolatry is the worship of an idol. 

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really? That's all it takes? Believe what the Catholic Church teaches?

 

Congratulations, you just made a post that supports Billie Boy. 

 

Ohhhhhhhh, and yeah .......that last line above, the one about idols...........congratulations again, hypocrite.

 

I will not even address the rest of your nonsense. An education..........get one. 

The height of the "mass"- the priest sings or claims "All glory and honor to You almighty father, forever and ever". Please, if you want to discuss Catholicism that's great- but please do so honestly. And a word to the wise? If you want to know what a catholic believes, ASK a catholic. Easy.
quote:  Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

A couple of corrections:  If you are Catholic, and believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then you are Christian.  Catholics were the first Christians, and until Luther, all Christians were Catholic.  I'm not surprised to read that Bill was not a believer.    Idolatry is the worship of an idolNo such thing occurs in the Catholic Church.  If one alleges that he spent 20 years in the Catholic Church, then he should know that.  It is always said to see the same lies repeated here in these forums.  Very un-Christian.,   Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Hi Nathan,

 

I have four questions I would appreciate you answering:

 

1.  If Roman Catholics do not have idols in your church -- why has the church changed the Ten Commandments to eliminate the Second Commandment, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth"  (Exodus 20:4)?

 

2.  If there are no idols in the Roman Catholic church -- what are all those statues sitting outside and inside the church, and the many mounted on the walls?  The last time I was in a Roman Catholic church was when I went with my boss to his high mass, about 13 years ago.  I later told my wife how surprised I was to hear the priest give a sermon much like I hear in Baptist churches. And we sang hymns and praise songs.  As I told Dory, if not for all the statues and icons mounted on the walls, I might not have known I was in a Roman Catholic church.

 

3.  In the Baptist church, we believe we have salvation based upon these Bible teachings:

 

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Ephesians 1:13, 4:30, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, . . . by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."

 

In the Roman Catholic church -- what does one do to be saved?  And, when one is saved, do you believe the Holy Spirit indwells and seals that believer until the day of his/her redemption?

 

3.  In Acts, the story of the beginning of the Christian church and its early history -- where do you find any mention of the Roman Catholic church?

 

My Friend, I will appreciate your answers to these questions.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill this is so loaded with errors I don't know where to start. First, you were surprised to have a priest give a sermon (homily). Well it happens every week. Without fail. Someone that spent 20 years in the Catholic Church should know that. Perhaps you were not listening. Second, and for the last time, we do not worship statues. Give your head a shake. The "statues" on the walls in every Catholic Church are STATIONS OF THE CROSS- the way of the cross. Do you keep family photos in your home? I imagine you do. So do you worship them? No. They are there to conjure up memories and keep those people in our thoughts. We have statues, memorabilia and pictures to call to mind our past, the mercy of God and to help us pray in a focused and visual way. If you cannot grasp that, I am truly sorry. But you have been told repeatedly that we do not worship inanimate objects, so kindly knock it off. K? It's wasting time.
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

A couple of corrections:  If you are Catholic, and believe what the Catholic Church teaches, then you are Christian.  Catholics were the first Christians, and until Luther, all Christians were Catholic.  I'm not surprised to read that Bill was not a believer.    Idolatry is the worship of an idolNo such thing occurs in the Catholic Church.  If one alleges that he spent 20 years in the Catholic Church, then he should know that.  It is always said to see the same lies repeated here in these forums.  Very un-Christian.,   Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Hi Nathan,

 

I have four questions I would appreciate you answering:

 

1.  If Roman Catholics do not have idols in your church -- why has the church changed the Ten Commandments to eliminate the Second Commandment, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth"  (Exodus 20:4)?

 

Billie, you have tried this 10 Commandment thing a dozen times.

Here is a site that may help.

 

http://www.fisheaters.com/10commandments.html

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2.  If there are no idols in the Roman Catholic church -- what are all those statues sitting outside and inside the church, and the many mounted on the walls?  The last time I was in a Roman Catholic church was when I went with my boss to his high mass, about 13 years ago.  I later told my wife how surprised I was to hear the priest give a sermon much like I hear in Baptist churches. And we sang hymns and praise songs.  As I told Dory, if not for all the statues and icons mounted on the walls, I might not have known I was in a Roman Catholic church.

 

veep has already explained that to you a hundred times

 

3.  In the Baptist church, we believe we have salvation based upon these Bible teachings:

 

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Ephesians 1:13, 4:30, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, . . . by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."

 

In the Roman Catholic church -- what does one do to be saved?  And, when one is saved, do you believe the Holy Spirit indwells and seals that believer until the day of his/her redemption?

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You've lied about your 20 years in the catholic church for about 20

years now, and asked the same questions and received the same

answers. So what business is it to you, when you're having so much

trouble with you own salvation. If you can't accept the answers given

you then don't concern yourself with what doesn't concern you.

 

 

3.  In Acts, the story of the beginning of the Christian church and its early history -- where do you find any mention of the Roman Catholic church?

 

In the Bible itself the start of the first Christian Church is told by

the person who created that Church, Jesus Christ.

The name Catholic wasn't used until the appox. year 105 AD.

 

 

 

Hi VP,

 

Funny you should quibble over the name of the sermon.  When a member of the clergy stands before the congregation and gives a message; I usually call it a sermon.  However, that is not what I saw in the Roman Catholic church during the approximately 20 years I attended (starting in 1956). 

 

Matter of fact, the very first time I went to a Roman Catholic church in 1956 -- I asked my fiance about the priest -- is he a priest or a banker?  During his short sermon, message, homily, or whatever you want to call it -- the priest stood tall, hooks his fingers in his rope belt, and began, "We need XXX dollars for this program; we need XXX dollars for that program, etc." and on and on -- all dollars.  I am sure that if Jesus would have been in that church -- He would have said, "But, My gift of eternal life is free.  I paid your debt in full!  Why do you need so many dollars?"

 

Then, when I got to Korea, I began to attend mass at the base chapel with the Roman Catholic priest -- and I continue off and on for many more years.  And, yes, the sermon the priest gave in the high mass in San Jose about 13 years ago -- was the first time I have heard a priest give a good message which would be on the level of a good Baptist pastor.  Sorry if the offends you.

 

And, all the statues and icons in that church were not just the Stations of the Cross.  Those I know -- and I also know Mary, Joseph, Infant Jesus, and others.  And, the whole gang was there -- in plaster and wood anyway.  But, not is spirit.  In spirit, they were all in heaven where mortals go when they die.  And, Jesus is in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father, continually interceding for all Christian believers.  You see, He does this because He is the ONLY Mediator between man and God.

 

You may not worship the statues -- but, everyone sure kneels before them doing something.  You try to equate those statues with having photos of loved ones at home.  The photos of loves we enjoy -- but, we do not kneel and pray to them.   This makes it a wee bit different from those folks kneeling or crawling on their knees to the statues.   If that ain't worship -- I sure would love to know what to call it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

dear catholic church,

i know you've been around for HUNDREDS of years... but, bill is here now, and he says, you're doing it wrong. please adjust your worship patterns to a more "bill pleasing" show! also, you should know... it goes from god's mouth to bill's ear.. there is no way to the father except through bill.

 

P.S.  could you please include bill's name in the search for a new pope.

Oh- and also, nobody crawls on their knees to statues. Your lies and arguments are becoming a wee bit ridiculous. Perhaps you should visit a Catholic Church - you just may be surprised to see how very incorrect you are. I'd be happy to google some close to you and help you out. You are very misled.

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You have been told the truth billie-jez with you and the other two amigos,

upperty-shz and queendog-diz, there has been so many lies told between

the three of you they can't be counted. If what you say is true, how could

the Church still be standing? How could it still be growing? Where is Hell

and why hasn't it taken the Church down yet?

 

When Martin Luther rewrote the bible and disassembled it to make it fit

your new age dream religion it didn't stop with him,did it. Maybe you can't

do anything physical to the Bible any longer but you sure have distorted it.

 

So we are back to the only weapon you have to use against the Church

Jesus created and very clearly laid out those plans in the Bible.

Your weapon of choice is the Lie and it's just not going to work for you.

But it's all you have and I expect to see more of it.

 

 

Originally Posted by vplee123:
Catholics worship God alone. Not statues, not the pope, Mary or the rosary. How many times does *this* practicing catholic have to say it?

 

Sorry if I have offended you V. I truly am. I do not doubt you or your sincerity. My words were not directed to you or about you. 

 

and Vic,

 

I have supported you time and time again. I have courteously disagreed with you on occasion.

 

Maybe I was a little too blunt with my response. No. Scratch that.  I am willing to admit that I was, in fact, too blunt.  I saw shades of someone else there. I guess you don't see that huh? 

 

But, because of that you are going to throw me under the bus? Lump me with one that I disagree with vehemently?

 

Thanks Buddy!

 

queendog-diz out!

quote:   Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
P.S.  could you please include bill's name in the search for a new pope.

Hi Crash,

 

If so, I would be the ONLY Pope in history (since 312 AD) to KNOW he is saved and will spend eternity in the presence of God.

 

You may have hit upon a great idea!  Take a good Baptist Christian -- and make him head of that errant church -- which could lead to many positive changes.  That just might be a win-win situation for all involved.

 

However, I would have to suggest a lot of other Baptists who are much more qualified than me to hold that challenging position.  But, food for thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Ubu:
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Catholics worship God alone. Not statues, not the pope, Mary or the rosary. How many times does *this* practicing catholic have to say it?

 

Sorry if I have offended you V. I truly am. I do not doubt you or your sincerity. My words were not directed to you or about you. 

 

and Vic,

 

I have supported you time and time again. I have courteously disagreed with you on occasion.

 

Maybe I was a little too blunt with my response. No. Scratch that.  I am willing to admit that I was, in fact, too blunt.  I saw shades of someone else there. I guess you don't see that huh? 

 

But, because of that you are going to throw me under the bus? Lump me with one that I disagree with vehemently?

 

Ubu

Wait now, who did I lump you with? I didn't intent that if I did.

 

Thanks Buddy!

 

queendog-diz out!

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

 

I am NOT making this up.  Pat Robertson, blithering wacko, has exceeded even his own prior wacky dithering.  He says that used clothing can indeed harbor demons and that to be safe, you should "rebuke" any spirits that might be present in that sweater you bought at Goodwill or that slightly wrinkled trench coat you got at the Salvation Army Thrift Store. 

____________

That's not as bad as some people believing Bill Gray to be a Christian.

Semi you absolutely slay me wher in the world do you come up with the material you do? [come up with]

Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

 

I am NOT making this up.  Pat Robertson, blithering wacko, has exceeded even his own prior wacky dithering.  He says that used clothing can indeed harbor demons and that to be safe, you should "rebuke" any spirits that might be present in that sweater you bought at Goodwill or that slightly wrinkled trench coat you got at the Salvation Army Thrift Store.

 

Demon-possessed clothing??!  Good grief!  How can anyone with half a brain place any confidence whatsoever in this wackadoodle varmint?

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat...-purchased-clothing/

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Yup. This is called "sympathetic magic."

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com.../sympathetic%20magic

 

Religion is based on it.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

 

I am NOT making this up.  Pat Robertson, blithering wacko, has exceeded even his own prior wacky dithering.  He says that used clothing can indeed harbor demons and that to be safe, you should "rebuke" any spirits that might be present in that sweater you bought at Goodwill or that slightly wrinkled trench coat you got at the Salvation Army Thrift Store. 

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That's not as bad as some people believing Bill Gray to be a Christian.

Semi you absolutely slay me wher in the world do you come up with the material you do? [come up with]

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She got it the same place everybody else sees the billie material, from billie.





 

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