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I do believe that the day is coming where war will be declared over against COVID-19 and a cure or treatment and vaccine found but what I fear will not be so predictable is economic recovery from the measures taken to fight this new virus.  Many, on the forum here, that have read some of my posts, in the food forum section, will know that I'm one that dines out (or did before the virus) most of the time.  Given the effects of the response to the virus in the retail section, I have no doubt that many of the restaurants that have been shut down will not ever be restored to the state they were before this virus hit.

I also cannot conceive of the "Stay at Home" or "Shelter in Place" order working in a state like New York or California due to how large, and unmanageable, some of these cities are and the sheer number of people that call these cities home.  So far, and I pray much longer, no loss of civil behavior has been reported and happened but given that so many live paycheck to paycheck and the number of people congregated together in such small places along with the panic already exhibited could soon mean that we start hearing of people attacking others for what they own or possess.  

Many anti-gun advocates may soon have to revisit their feelings about firearms and those who possess such weapons may have to use them to repel others, with nefarious intentions, from their own homes.  Many have, through the years wondered how this generation and the United States would react to a global pandemic or attack, on the country, where things were necessarily locked down.  So many businesses and industries shut down or affected to a degree that never has before happened we now have to wonder can these entities be restored to their previous states, before the orders to close.  

Worse the question remains, just how much more are we to see happen as a result?  One thing seems certain and that is that the new normal will never be (at least in our lifetimes) as the old normal.  This isn't ebola or Chicken Little's sky falling but the responses are not far from it, or so it seems.  Many of the younger citizens, I believe, either don't understand what is going on or believe it doesn't affect them or hasn't contemplated the effects that it is going to have on their lives going forward and I'm not talking about the health concerns but the style of life or economic ones.  I fear that the new world that we will face will be vastly different from the one we left behind in 2019 in many ways.  We, as a Nation, are in new territory and frankly, I'm not that optimistic that recovery from it will be that fast or easy.  

While the COVID-19 virus may be similar to the flu that we have been accustomed to the speed of the spread and reactions to it are far from what is common to the pre-existing flu we deal with each year.  Many, like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity's initial reactions and thoughts regarding the virus, was a downplaying of it and stated that there is a gross overreaction to it.  I believe much of what they believed may have been steered by their belief that the Democrats were going to politicize it against Trump and that it was yet another tool to be used against Trump.  I believe that Trump also was affected and influenced, initially, to buy what they believed about it due to his personal respect and acceptance of what they say.  What I don't think any of them perceived was the overall reaction to the virus and how fast it spreads and how it would affect the world as a whole.  These are people who don't eat Crow (so to say) very easily, and I'm afraid that the very thing they feared, that it would affect Trump's chance for re-election, will come to happen and in the end be exacerbated by their, collective, initial responses to it.  The real dangers, to me, of this virus, for the general whole of the population, is more the effect that it has on the economy, people's finances, and our way of life, rather than the health concerns.  A drug or treatment may arrest the spread and health effect of the virus but I'm afraid that there will be a far longer time, if ever, for the economy and our government and way of life to recover, if at all these can recover.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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"Many, on the forum here, that have read some of my posts, in the food forum section, will know that I'm one that dines out (or did before the virus) most of the time.  Given the effects of the response to the virus in the retail section, I have no doubt that many of the restaurants that have been shut down will not ever be restored to the state they were before this virus hit".

No offense...but if they can't afford a two week shut down they were barely hanging on anyway. Their bills...payroll...food bills etc. stop too. You take your chances when you eat out anyway. People in the kitchens handling your food....some here illegally and not health checked...food tampering...so many things going on that it is not real wise to eat out unless you know exactly how the restaurant is run and who is in the back handling your food.

Jutu posted:

"Many, on the forum here, that have read some of my posts, in the food forum section, will know that I'm one that dines out (or did before the virus) most of the time.  Given the effects of the response to the virus in the retail section, I have no doubt that many of the restaurants that have been shut down will not ever be restored to the state they were before this virus hit".

No offense...but if they can't afford a two week shut down they were barely hanging on anyway. Their bills...payroll...food bills etc. stop too. You take your chances when you eat out anyway. People in the kitchens handling your food....some here illegally and not health checked...food tampering...so many things going on that it is not real wise to eat out unless you know exactly how the restaurant is run and who is in the back handling your food.

No offense taken, I agree about eating out and much of the hope that your food is correctly handled but much of that faith is in the restaurant owners and management and their oversight in maintaining safe food handling practices.  It is still a danger I admit.  As for the ability to handle a two-week shutdown, I believe much of that is a failure on our generation for not instilling or teaching financial responsibility.  It could be that many of us don't have that knowledge ourselves.   So many today have never had to face adversity whereas that "Greatest Generation" dealt with the Great Depression and uncertainty of those times as well as a World War where there was also uncertainty.  

I want to think that this Virus actually may be a hidden blessing to America, as a whole, in that it reveals many of the dangers of allowing much of your critical needs to be dependent upon potential adversaries or being controlled outside of your own nation.   People have been warning, for years, about the danger of not having production of critical need products in your own nation or allowing so many things to be produced outside of America.  Today, with the reactions to the virus, people are seeing the real dangers of allowing others to control products that you rely upon for your health and life.  

IF this virus results in our Politicians waking up and restoring much of these critical systems and products back to America then there will have been some beneficial things resulting from it.  There also are other things that I believe we will look back at as overall being beneficial to us but only the future will tell.  Maybe getting families back to setting around the dinner table together and actually being a family may not end up being so bad, for many of us.  Also, the realization that you cannot just take things for granted that life will always be good and there is no reason to be cautious and have a need for pre-planning healthwise and financially.  All I'm saying is that through the bad things there can be some beneficial things happen.  

One additional benefit ... The news actually has something to talk about other than Politics.

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Any 'war' that comes from this calamity will be one of 'the haves vs the have nots'. FROM THIS POINT ON everyone should be in a CONSTANT state of ALERT, (Condition Yellow), especially when outside your homes. I predict a rise in home invasions and robberies, all fueled by peoples' fears and inabilities to provide for themselves. 

 

Stay safe and watch your six.

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JH1961 posted:

Any 'war' that comes from this calamity will be one of 'the haves vs the have nots'. FROM THIS POINT ON everyone should be in a CONSTANT state of ALERT, (Condition Yellow), especially when outside your homes. I predict a rise in home invasions and robberies, all fueled by peoples' fears and inabilities to provide for themselves. 

 

Stay safe and watch your six.

As much as I’d like to disagree I do think such will happen but I believe more so in larger cities such as Atlanta, Chicago, LA, and New York but I assume that’s why there has been such a rise in firearm purchases.  I only wish that those who purchased these firearms were well trained in how to use them and aren’t just buying them out of fear.  I do though believe that the bulk of nefarious actions will more be crimes of opportunity than pre-planned attacks but hopefully society will not degrade to that point.  

In places though some district attorneys are inviting such crimes though, I believe, by allowing people to commit crimes without the fear of being prosecuted and also by establishing no bail policies whereby if someone is caught they are immediately back out on the streets.  These liberal policies are bound to bite those who make them and plague the cities where they are established such as San Francisco.   Without fear of punishment there is no deterrence.

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