A Lawyer Dissects the Bush-Cheney Team.
http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2007/2/7/212243/3803
Neo Cons Need Not Apply, this article GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO VIETNAM.
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quote:SCALIA RAPS GORE FOR ‘00
By FRANKIE EDOZIEN
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says the high court did not inject itself into the 2000 presidential election.
Speaking at the Time Warner Center last night, Scalia said: "The election was dragged into the courts by the Gore people. We did not go looking for trouble."
But he said the court had to take the case.
"The issue was whether Florida's Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Court [would decide the election.] What did you expect us to do? Turn the case down because it wasn't important enough?"
The conservative justice, who grew up in Queens, contended there would have been a difficult transition had the court not stepped in.
He also pointed out that studies by news organizations after the election showed Bush still would have won a Florida recount.
quote:Why, lewwater, someone reading this might just mistake you for a Republican!
quote:The majority of Americans BELIEVE that Bush lost the election, hands down.... MILLIONS of people watched the news the night that Florida said that Gore won that state (JEB BUSH GOVERNOR)... Gosh, how embarassing!!!!
"Florida" didn't announce Gore won, the networks did. They were wrong.
Gore conceded then recanted and the fiasco started. Gore took the matter to court and lost, after the Florida Courts ruled it acceptable to change standing election laws in his favor. That is why the Supreme Court became involved. Still, independent and left leaning recounts showed that a full recount still gave it to Bush, but by a very slim margin.
Incidentally, the majority of Democrats in the South and in Congress didn't think ending segregation was a good idea either. Didn't make it right, did it?
[QUOTE]This is why we no longer need the Electorial College... POPULAR VOTES IS WHAT SHOULD WIN.
quote:Electorial votes were for WAAAAAYYYY back before our TV systems, computer systems got sophisticated to give instant results...
quote:That era is long over, we can now rely on popular votes... Or maybe not, because Dubbya, Jeb and Daddy sure would have had egg all over their face then!!!! LOL!
quote:Gore won by popular vote, pure and simple... POLITICS is what put Bush in the White House, not WE THE PEOPLE!!!
quote:Originally posted by lewwaters:quote:Why, lewwater, someone reading this might just mistake you for a Republican!
Actually, more of a conservative. The GOP doesn't make me too happy lately, too many moderates and left leaners.quote:The majority of Americans BELIEVE that Bush lost the election, hands down.... MILLIONS of people watched the news the night that Florida said that Gore won that state (JEB BUSH GOVERNOR)... Gosh, how embarassing!!!!
"Florida" didn't announce Gore won, the networks did. They were wrong.
Gore conceded then recanted and the fiasco started. Gore took the matter to court and lost, after the Florida Courts ruled it acceptable to change standing election laws in his favor. That is why the Supreme Court became involved. Still, independent and left leaning recounts showed that a full recount still gave it to Bush, but by a very slim margin.
Incidentally, the majority of Democrats in the South and in Congress didn't think ending segregation was a good idea either. Didn't make it right, did it?
[QUOTE]This is why we no longer need the Electorial College... POPULAR VOTES IS WHAT SHOULD WIN.
Well, the POPULAR VOTE elected Bush in 2004. What's the problem? Didn't stop all the cries of Diebold mqchine failures throughout Ohio. Of course, since Democrats won in 2006, Diebold has been vindicated.quote:Electorial votes were for WAAAAAYYYY back before our TV systems, computer systems got sophisticated to give instant results...
I urge you to research the electoral college a bit more.quote:That era is long over, we can now rely on popular votes... Or maybe not, because Dubbya, Jeb and Daddy sure would have had egg all over their face then!!!! LOL!
Well, if you like the heaviest populated states calling all elections and candidates not bothering to even visit smaller states.
Still, Bush did win the most votes in Florida in 2000 and did get the overall popular vote in 2004, so if you prefer teh popular vote, what's the problem? Should we all just accept what California says because they are pro-Democrat?quote:Gore won by popular vote, pure and simple... POLITICS is what put Bush in the White House, not WE THE PEOPLE!!!
Not in Florida, he didn't!
Still, no one addresses why Gore fought so hard to deny the absentee ballots of overseas Military in Florida in 2000. I thought they wanted "every vote counted?"
Isn't our Military serving overseas considered "We the People?"
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
The Federal Elections Committee, the Supreme Court, The Miami Herald, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, even the laughable Florida Supreme Court have all given the 2000 election in Florida a sifting that would have filtered out any meddling by the Bush family.
None was found.
If you have any credible (not wack blogs, thanks) evidence of Bush family meddling, please present it. Otherwise be careful who you accuse of spreading lies.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
As I thought. You have NO evidence, other than your suspicions.
Kindred, you know very well that those were PROJECTIONS about the outcome, and projections in a very close race are 50/50.
There was no hanky panky in Florida in 2000, except for the attempt by Gore to steal an honest election. Prove me wrong, I'll admit it, but you can't, because there's no crime and therefor no evidence.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
As I thought. You have NO evidence, other than your suspicions.
Kindred, you know very well that those were PROJECTIONS about the outcome, and projections in a very close race are 50/50.
There was no hanky panky in Florida in 2000, except for the attempt by Gore to steal an honest election. Prove me wrong, I'll admit it, but you can't, because there's no crime and therefor no evidence.
DF
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
A Lawyer Dissects the Bush-Cheney Team.
http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2007/2/7/212243/3803
Neo Cons Need Not Apply, this article GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO VIETNAM.
quote:Deep Fat, little known fact, Al Gore, as Vice President, Presided over the final decision on the 2000 election. HE WAS IN CHARGE WHEN CHALENGES IN THE CONGRESS TO THE OUTCOME OF FLORIDA WERE RULED OUT OF ORDER...BY AL GORE.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
lewwaters... agree to disagree??? That would be cool with me
I am 50+ years old, and seen a lot in my day, and there is no way I can be convinced otherwise,... my memories of that night, and the next morning, and the popular votes are embedded....
I was scared of Bush when he was on his Campaign trail... he had that DANGEROUS look about him, and along with his even MORE dangerous buddies, I was afraid for that man to be in office...
Sadly, I was right!!! Not that I wanted to be, but I was.
smurph, Just in case you need a little education on the definition of Fascism, this is the dictionary definition: "Main Entry: fas·cismquote:Originally posted by smurph:
it really makes no difference,not anymore. Bush,or any other president is there in name only. This country is run by the major corporations.Not one move is made politically to the welfare of THE PEOPLE,only the outcome projected for big dogs. So we may as well be happy with what we have got and enjoy it for as long as we do have it. It is a runaway train now folks.No election is going to change the course the US is headed down.
Read history,there is not one great empire lasted forever,otherwise there would be no great United States.They all fall,and they have all fallen hard,just as the United States is doing.
I hate to sound depressing,but facts are there, the pattern is already established.
At this point in time the ONLY hope the US has is to become the world leader in all respects, and that just ain't gonna happen,we have had too many small greedy politicians "sleeping with the enemy". Too much of our nuclear technology has been sold, too much of our advance means of weapons has been sold,too much of of The United States in general has been sold for a meger price behind closed doors.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
As I thought. You have NO evidence, other than your suspicions.
Kindred, you know very well that those were PROJECTIONS about the outcome, and projections in a very close race are 50/50.
There was no hanky panky in Florida in 2000, except for the attempt by Gore to steal an honest election. Prove me wrong, I'll admit it, but you can't, because there's no crime and therefor no evidence.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Kindred, you can't prove even the tiniest bit of your allegation. They don't let you sit on juries, do they?
You have concocted a story, or believed others' fabrications, into which some facts fit, but certainly not all.
Kathryn Harris, Secretary of State of Florida, did NOT announce in her official capacity that AlGore won the election there, and then renege on that announcement. You are talking about the TV News organizations "giving" the state to Algore. It was much too close to give to anybody, but (surprise) the major media got it wrong.
Sorry, bud, but until you have some credible evidence that Jeb or George sr. or Kathryn Harris or the Easter Bunny or someone deliberately manipulated that election, I'm going to have to accuse you of a partisan excitability.
Jeb Bush deliberately isolated himself from the election debacle, and was visibly not involved. The Elections Committee in Florida was strongly bipartisan. The recount was microscoped in the media. Every legitimate news organization that covered the recount was satisfied that AlGore lost.
But you... YOU know better. So, let's see the evidence. Let's see the pictures, give us the affidavits of witnesses, we want fingerprints but you have nothing.
Nothing.
You are wrong. The election in Florida in 2000 was fair and accurate. Bush won.
DF
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Kindred, you can't prove even the tiniest bit of your allegation. They don't let you sit on juries, do they?
You have concocted a story, or believed others' fabrications, into which some facts fit, but certainly not all.
Kathryn Harris, Secretary of State of Florida, did NOT announce in her official capacity that AlGore won the election there, and then renege on that announcement. You are talking about the TV News organizations "giving" the state to Algore. It was much too close to give to anybody, but (surprise) the major media got it wrong.
Sorry, bud, but until you have some credible evidence that Jeb or George sr. or Kathryn Harris or the Easter Bunny or someone deliberately manipulated that election, I'm going to have to accuse you of a partisan excitability.
Jeb Bush deliberately isolated himself from the election debacle, and was visibly not involved. The Elections Committee in Florida was strongly bipartisan. The recount was microscoped in the media. Every legitimate news organization that covered the recount was satisfied that AlGore lost.
But you... YOU know better. So, let's see the evidence. Let's see the pictures, give us the affidavits of witnesses, we want fingerprints but you have nothing.
Nothing.
You are wrong. The election in Florida in 2000 was fair and accurate. Bush won.
DF
No, I didn't... Where the heck were YOU on that night? And the days following??
Everything I say is true, and you are just too blind to even WANT to see how the Bush Politics took over that one...
And OF COURSE BUSH WON, my God, we have had to put up with him for the last six years... that is no mystery... the WAY he won was wrong!!!! And deceitful, and dishonest!!!!
I am through with this post, because I am right, I watched it on the news from the first night on...
I KNOW how these people do, and what they are capapble of, and I feel sorry for you that you cannot see how America got played.