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EDITORIAL
Published: October 9, 2011

It has been a record year for new legislation designed to make it harder for Democrats to vote — 19 laws and two executive actions in 14 states dominated by Republicans, according to a new study by the Brennan Center for Justice. As a result, more than five million eligible voters will have a harder time participating in the 2012 election.

Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities. They insist that laws requiring government identification cards to vote are only to protect the sanctity of the ballot from unscrupulous voters. Cutting back on early voting, which has been popular among working people who often cannot afford to take off from their jobs on Election Day, will save money, they claim.

None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases. The only reason Republicans are passing these laws is to give themselves a political edge by suppressing Democratic votes.

Rest of the Editorial:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fopinion%2Findex.jsonp

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Propie sez, ..."Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities. They insist that laws requiring government identification cards to vote are only to protect the sanctity of the ballot from unscrupulous voters. Cutting back on early voting, which has been popular among working people who often cannot afford to take off from their jobs on Election Day, will save money, they claim."

 

If you actually believe this, then you are worse off that I thought.  Why should the laws for all not be enforced?  When there is evidently a need for the all voters (not just Dem and Republican) to provide identification in order to vote, how are these people being disenfranchised?  How hard is it for someone to be able to provide a form of ID, whether it be a student ID, or a picture ID which is available at the courthouse for those who do not own a license?  Perhaps it is because they are not legal, or perhaps they are a convicted felon who has lost his or her right to vote?  Why create a situation whereby fraud can be accomplished when you can make a simple rule and remove any allusion of corruption?

And why for the sake of all that is good and holy do you find this a detriment to the Dem party?  Why?  Because you know there is voter fraud and corruption in certain areas where people look the other way and allow "dead relatives" to vote, and allow people to fill in more than one ballot.  In one Alabama county alone in the previous election, there were more votes cast than the entire population of the county  (BTW it was one heavily favored for Obama), which is one reason this new legislation was proposed.

For someone who is so interested in keeping things honest and fair, you have a big problem with it when it does not benefit your interests.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Propie sez, ..."Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities. They insist that laws requiring government identification cards to vote are only to protect the sanctity of the ballot from unscrupulous voters. Cutting back on early voting, which has been popular among working people who often cannot afford to take off from their jobs on Election Day, will save money, they claim."

 

If you actually believe this, then you are worse off that I thought.  Why should the laws for all not be enforced?  When there is evidently a need for the all voters (not just Dem and Republican) to provide identification in order to vote, how are these people being disenfranchised?  How hard is it for someone to be able to provide a form of ID, whether it be a student ID, or a picture ID which is available at the courthouse for those who do not own a license?  Perhaps it is because they are not legal, or perhaps they are a convicted felon who has lost his or her right to vote?  Why create a situation whereby fraud can be accomplished when you can make a simple rule and remove any allusion of corruption?

And why for the sake of all that is good and holy do you find this a detriment to the Dem party?  Why?  Because you know there is voter fraud and corruption in certain areas where people look the other way and allow "dead relatives" to vote, and allow people to fill in more than one ballot.  In one Alabama county alone in the previous election, there were more votes cast than the entire population of the county  (BTW it was one heavily favored for Obama), which is one reason this new legislation was proposed.

For someone who is so interested in keeping things honest and fair, you have a big problem with it when it does not benefit your interests.

You are insane. What the Republicans are attempting has nothing to do with honesty or fairness. If you think it does, you are looney.

Another story about the abuse.  I highlighted one area so as not to show my favoritism....

 

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (Legal Newsline)-Alabama Attorney General Troy King said Sunday that voter fraud is rampant in the Yellowhammer State. "I am shocked to realize that we're willing to commit soldiers to the field of battle to protect the rights of others to vote and right here, back home in Alabama, there is this shameful election fraud," King said in an appearance on Fox News. The Republican attorney general said that voter fraud in Alabama has gone to new heights, with "systemic corruption" occurring particularly in Democratic-leaning counties, such as Perry County. In the June 3 primary, which attracted about 16 percent of the state's registered voters to the polls, more than 50 percent of the eligible voters in Perry County cast ballots. Surprisingly, about a quarter of the county's overall voter turnout was through absentee voting, officials say. "It is absolutely outrageous that it continues to occur," King said of the voter fraud, noting that voters are selling their absentee ballots for up to $100 or free gravel for their driveways. King said the state's elections are being compromised by fraud and electioneering. He said some local and federal officials have been aiding the "systemic corruption that is undermining government" across Western Alabama, for political gain. "The fraud is not confined to any one party, and as I am finding out any one part of our state," King said. "We set up an election fraud hotline and allegations of electioneering irregularities are pouring in."

 

Originally Posted by teyates:

Perhaps the two of you should start a new organization, lets call it "Mo-Ron.Org"....

Do you ever get out of the comic books stores or read any news other than that on the Communist websites???

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07....html?pagewanted=all

 

In one Alabama county alone in the previous election, there were more votes cast than the entire population of the county  (BTW it was one heavily favored for Obama),

 

 


Idiot.

A county registrar does not even have enough ballots for every registered voter, much less every resident.  Try another lie you lying liar.

 

You'll got to HeII for lying.

Yes, I probably will, so save me a seat  .  you will probably be there before me for being an azzclown....

Irregardless, the laws are being passed because there is obvious abuse.  When over 10% of a county's vote is cast by absentee ballot, there is a signal for abuse.  Even you should be weary of such actions.

http://www.heritage.org/resear...ecurity-of-elections


Voter Photo Identification: Protecting the Security of Elections
By Hans von Spakovsky
July 13, 2011
(long article, try reading it ditto, jimi, prop)

Conclusion

Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, opponents of voter ID refuse to admit that voter turnout is unaffected by such a requirement. Their claim that the implementation of voter ID laws “smacks of vote suppression”[44] is preposterous and an outrageous libel on the American people and their elected representatives. The vitriolic rhetoric engaged in by opponents of voter ID is a sign of desperation; their claims of “suppression” and “intimidation” have been shown to be completely untrue.

America is one of the only democracies in the world that does not uniformly require voters to present photo ID when they vote. Across the globe, democracies administer such a requirement without any problems and without any reports that their citizens are in any way burdened when voting.

In fact, America’s southern neighbor Mexico, which has a much larger rate of poverty than the United States, requires both a photo ID and a thumbprint to vote—and turnout has increased in Mexican elections since this requirement went into effect in the 1990s. Mexico’s voter ID laws are also credited with reducing the fraud that had prevailed in many Mexican elections and “allowing the 2000 election of Vicente Fox, the first opposition party candidate to be elected president of Mexico in seventy years.”[45]

Requiring voters to authenticate their identity is a perfectly reasonable and easily met requirement. Such measures are supported by the vast majority of voters of all races and ethnic backgrounds. As the U.S. Supreme Court has noted, voter ID protects the integrity and reliability of the electoral process. All states have a valid and legitimate state interest not only in deterring and detecting voter fraud, but also in maintaining the confidence of their citizens in the security of U.S. elections.


—Hans A. von Spakovsky is a Senior Legal Fellow in the Center for Legal & Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation. He is a former member of the Federal Election Commission and a former counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Justice. He is a former member of the Fulton County Registration and Election Board in Georgia and currently serves as vice-chairman of a county electoral board in Virginia.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by b50m:

http://www.heritage.org/resear...ecurity-of-elections


Voter Photo Identification: Protecting the Security of Elections
By Hans von Spakovsky
July 13, 2011
(long article, try reading it ditto, jimi, prop)

Conclusion


The issue in the case at hand involves absentee voting, so no ID required. 

Please for all that is holly, find something worthwhile to worry about.

I have already pointed that out twice now. I'm not the one worrying about it.  Maybe Prop needs a hug.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:

Image
EDITORIAL
Published: October 9, 2011

It has been a record year for new legislation designed to make it harder for Democrats to vote — 19 laws and two executive actions in 14 states dominated by Republicans, according to a new study by the Brennan Center for Justice. As a result, more than five million eligible voters will have a harder time participating in the 2012 election.

Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities. They insist that laws requiring government identification cards to vote are only to protect the sanctity of the ballot from unscrupulous voters. Cutting back on early voting, which has been popular among working people who often cannot afford to take off from their jobs on Election Day, will save money, they claim.

None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases. The only reason Republicans are passing these laws is to give themselves a political edge by suppressing Democratic votes.

Rest of the Editorial:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fopinion%2Findex.jsonp

I wonder if the Black Panther Party standing outside the polling place yeilding night sticks would be considered voter fraud?

I don't know where you vote, but here in Lauderdale County if you plan to vote absentee ballot you have to, and will, present an ID before your ballot is authenticated, as it should be across the stae.  However, that has not been the case in coutnies such as Perry, and this law addresses that issue.  Absentee ballots are a primary source of voter fraud in elections, and they need to be more fairly regulated.

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