The Party of Lincoln But not of Nixon, Reagan, or Bush.

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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
Every couple of years we get to hear this type of race warfare. It is intended to scare black people into voting Democrat. They do the same thing with women and old people.

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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
The blacks vote have been BOUGHT by liberal welfare giving demorats. The has been enslaved again by the same party, just sucked they're life force outta em

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Originally posted by PBA:
Yes, I believe Lincoln's main priority at the time was to preserve the Union and in his campaign said that he would allow slavery to continue where it existed but he would prevent it from spreading to new states. That was a key issue at the time. It had been abolished in Northern States as well as the British Empire. I believe France still had slavery in Haiti. The crises had been building for years.

Slavery was a huge emotional issue and the abolitionist movement was growing as a political force in society. There were shootouts in states that were being settled as to which way it would go and don't forget John Brown's attack at Harpers Ferry.

Union soldiers fought for various reasons and some joined to end slavery.

The tariff issue was important and I believe slavery was giving the South an unfair advantage so the North imposed Tariffs.

Lincoln was a believer in having the Federal Government "pave the way" (was the term I believe he used) for people to be able to stand against the big money interests and companies of the time so they could live a decent life.
( He had some great quotes about the power of corporations and such and how important it was to have a strong Federal Government to guide the labor force)

Of course the Southern version is the South was an innocent victim of Northern Greed, but the wealthy plantations owners were raking in the profits big time. The large plantation owners "livelihoods were not threatened." Only their huge profits.
I forget the details and there may have been some legitimacy to their complaints but I believe slavery was giving them an unfair advantage.

Even then slaves were expensive and if I remember correctly (off the top of my head) could run up to around a thousand dollars or so each.

Slavery is a crime against humanity.

According to the Ken Burns documentary "The Civil War" the South was willing to not take on the North for the rest of America but intended to invade Mexico and Central America to create an empire and extend slavery. It saw the region as a ripe area for slaves and plantations.

Lincoln pledged to abide by the Dread Scott decision which is why the Under Ground Railroad ended in Canada. He was trying to walk a fine line to preserve the Union which is why he promised not to interfere with existing laws but leave it to the people to decide at a later time. He was trying to prevent war and save the Union. I believe he opposed the extension of slavery to new states.

The Confederate Constitution was fine if you were white and like the original Constitution did not consider people of color as Human Beings. 3/5 fifths of a person they were considered. The Founding Fathers also only allowed property owners to vote and the first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay wrote (something to the effect) that "those who owned the land should govern it."

I do believe that legally the South should have had the right to secede if they had so chosen too but that the war should have been fought to end slavery and stop their expansionist aspirations.

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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
The blacks vote have been BOUGHT by liberal welfare giving demorats. The has been enslaved again by the same party, just sucked they're life force outta em

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Originally posted by one who posts:

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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
The blacks vote have been BOUGHT by liberal welfare giving demorats. The has been enslaved again by the same party, just sucked they're life force outta em

Are you saying that the majority of blacks who vote are on welfare?!

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:

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Originally posted by PBA:
Yes, I believe Lincoln's main priority at the time was to preserve the Union and in his campaign said that he would allow slavery to continue where it existed but he would prevent it from spreading to new states. That was a key issue at the time. It had been abolished in Northern States as well as the British Empire. I believe France still had slavery in Haiti. The crises had been building for years.

Slavery was a huge emotional issue and the abolitionist movement was growing as a political force in society. There were shootouts in states that were being settled as to which way it would go and don't forget John Brown's attack at Harpers Ferry.

Union soldiers fought for various reasons and some joined to end slavery.

The tariff issue was important and I believe slavery was giving the South an unfair advantage so the North imposed Tariffs.

Lincoln was a believer in having the Federal Government "pave the way" (was the term I believe he used) for people to be able to stand against the big money interests and companies of the time so they could live a decent life.
( He had some great quotes about the power of corporations and such and how important it was to have a strong Federal Government to guide the labor force)

Of course the Southern version is the South was an innocent victim of Northern Greed, but the wealthy plantations owners were raking in the profits big time. The large plantation owners "livelihoods were not threatened." Only their huge profits.
I forget the details and there may have been some legitimacy to their complaints but I believe slavery was giving them an unfair advantage.

Even then slaves were expensive and if I remember correctly (off the top of my head) could run up to around a thousand dollars or so each.

Slavery is a crime against humanity.

According to the Ken Burns documentary "The Civil War" the South was willing to not take on the North for the rest of America but intended to invade Mexico and Central America to create an empire and extend slavery. It saw the region as a ripe area for slaves and plantations.

Lincoln pledged to abide by the Dread Scott decision which is why the Under Ground Railroad ended in Canada. He was trying to walk a fine line to preserve the Union which is why he promised not to interfere with existing laws but leave it to the people to decide at a later time. He was trying to prevent war and save the Union. I believe he opposed the extension of slavery to new states.

The Confederate Constitution was fine if you were white and like the original Constitution did not consider people of color as Human Beings. 3/5 fifths of a person they were considered. The Founding Fathers also only allowed property owners to vote and the first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay wrote (something to the effect) that "those who owned the land should govern it."

I do believe that legally the South should have had the right to secede if they had so chosen too but that the war should have been fought to end slavery and stop their expansionist aspirations.

The Civil War was not about slavery... oh conveniently LATER on, it was mentioned, but it had nothing more than MONEY and PORTs that the North wanted.

In fact, most slaves, given the chance to leave, did not do so, because they were happy where they were.

The movies that depict horrid land owners in the NORTH and SOUTH were numbered in the VERY FEW.

Northerners had as many slaves as Southerners did, so it is ridiculous to say it was about the SOUTHERN SLAVES ONLY.

Who got the bad name? The South, of course, because they lost the battle. But slaves remaines as FREE people on the farms/plantations that they were originally brought to, they didn't WANT to leave.

Slavery is a convenient ISSUE for people to lay BLAME for the civil war on, but people know better.

Just like the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with the African American people... it is just the flag used in the war AGAINST money and ports and tariffs....