satisfactory for myself is, why can't a person be born a homosexual?
People are born with every illness and deformity imaginable.
What's the difference?
satisfactory for myself is, why can't a person be born a homosexual?
People are born with every illness and deformity imaginable.
What's the difference?
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Most all homosexuals are born that way. I would not call it a illness or a deformity though. You are right however that humans are born different everyday. Some with blue eyes, some with brown. Some are born left handed and some right. Others are born ambidextrous. Some are born homosexual and some are born heterosexual.
No matter what we are all humans and unless you are hurting another human being you should be treated equally and not as if you are a second class citizen just because you happened to be born different than the majority.
So to answer your question I would say: You already have the answer. You stated it above. You know its possible and happens all the time.
The answer is easy-they ARE born that way. BUT, being born gay is neither a deformity OR an illness.
The answer is easy-they ARE born that way. BUT, being born gay is neither a deformity OR an illness.
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I'm not saying it's a deformity, I'm saying the the possibilities are huge.
Too many people disagree they are born that way.
I guess I'll go to gaga to get a real amswer.
The only ones that would disagree that they're born that way are ignorant. I'm sure there are people that "experiment" because they're curious, or even unsure of their own feelings. But anyone that is truly a homosexual is born a homosexual.
quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:The answer is easy - they ARE born that way. BUT, being born gay is neither a deformity OR an illness.
Then, why does God call the homosexual lifestyle an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), a detestable act (Leviticus 20:13), unnatural (Romans 1:26), a degrading passion (Romans 1:26), an indecent act (Romans 1:27), contrary to sound teaching (1 Timothy 1:10), unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9), and say that those who practice it will never inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9)?
Yet, we read, in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (you, me, everyone ever born), that He gave His only begotten Son" to die for us.
Now, would God, who will go that far to offer eternal life to everyone -- really create people such as He has described above?
Even an atheist mind must see the inconsistency in that line of thought. No, God would not create ANYONE to be an abomination in His eyes. Therefore, no one is conceived, i.e., created in the womb by God, to be homosexual.
God creates perfect. And, then man corrupts. That, my dear Friend, is the only explanation for why we have homosexuals and other sexual deviants in our societies today.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Choppy's baby pic-a story for another day.
The only ones that would disagree that they're born that way are ignorant. I'm sure there are people that "experiment" because they're curious, or even unsure of their own feelings. But anyone that is truly a homosexual is born a homosexual.
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That's the way I see it.
quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:The answer is easy - they ARE born that way. BUT, being born gay is neither a deformity OR an illness.
Then, why does God call the homosexual lifestyle an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), a detestable act (Leviticus 20:13), unnatural (Romans 1:26), a degrading passion (Romans 1:26), an indecent act (Romans 1:27), contrary to sound teaching (1 Timothy 1:10), unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9), and say that those who practice it will never inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9)?
Yet, we read, in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (you, me, everyone ever born), that He gave His only begotten Son" to die for us.
Now, would God, who will go that far to offer eternal life to everyone -- really create people such as He has described above?
Even an atheist mind must see the inconsistency in that line of thought. No, God would not create ANYONE to be an abomination in His eyes. Therefore, no one is conceived, i.e., created in the womb by God, to be homosexual.
God creates perfect. And, then man corrupts. That, my dear Friend, is the only explanation for why we have homosexuals and other sexual deviants in our societies today.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Ah, Bill, let's dance again. Leviticus - does it apply or doesn't it? All the rest are Paul, a sufferer of seizures and the Oral Roberts of his day, whose only authority is the OT - Leviticus - which doesn't apply, or does it?
And I'll ask for a fourth time - when does God stop interfering with fetal development?
Hi Vic,
Here's something they probable never taught you in catechism:
2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness."
Then, you childishly declare, "All the rest are Paul, a sufferer of seizures and the Oral Roberts of his day, whose only authority is the OT - Leviticus - which doesn't apply, or does it?"
If Paul was such a loser -- then, why did God choose him to be the most prolific writer of New Testament books?
Vic, are YOU saying that God was wrong in choosing Paul?
Are you saying that Jesus Christ was wrong when He told Ananias, in Acts 9:15, "Go, for he (Paul) is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel."
Vic, my Friend, it would seem to me that you are disagreeing with God the Father and Jesus Christ in your foolish, Biblically illiterate statement -- not Bill Gray.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
You are addled again, Bill. Try answering my questions first.
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Ah, Bill, let's dance again. Leviticus - does it apply or doesn't it? All the rest are Paul, a sufferer of seizures and the Oral Roberts of his day, whose only authority is the OT - Leviticus - which doesn't apply, or does it?
And I'll ask for a fourth time - when does God stop interfering with fetal development?
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Crusty,,,,,,,,,Your boy has got me mixed up with you.
He's got John lying about homosexuals and I think it's pointless
to talk to a liar. And besides, I don't speak yabba dabba.
You might want transfer this
Choppy's baby pic-a story for another day.
You GO, Choppy!
Choppy sez-"this one's iron, this one's steel, one don't get you, the other one will".
Hi all,
God says:
The homosexual lifestyle an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), a detestable act (Leviticus 20:13), unnatural (Romans 1:26), a degrading passion (Romans 1:26), an indecent act (Romans 1:27), contrary to sound teaching (1 Timothy 1:10), unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9), and say that those who practice it will never inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9)?
And Jennifer says:
The only ones that would disagree that they're born that way are ignorant. I'm sure there are people that "experiment" because they're curious, or even unsure of their own feelings. But anyone that is truly a homosexual is born a homosexual.
Now, who should we believe -- the eternally preexisting God who created the heavens and the earth, and all things within?
Or, Jennifer, self professed atheist and believer in nothing except her own religion of Nothing, i.e., atheism?
I realize this is a hard decision to make. But, I believe that anyone with an IQ over 15 knows the true answer. And, all the others -- well, we will just pray for them.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
You pray about it, I'll do something sensible.
Reminds me of the time the honey badgers hired me to get them better press. But that's a story for another day.
quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:The answer is easy - they ARE born that way. BUT, being born gay is neither a deformity OR an illness.
Then, why does God call the homosexual lifestyle an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), a detestable act (Leviticus 20:13), unnatural (Romans 1:26), a degrading passion (Romans 1:26), an indecent act (Romans 1:27), contrary to sound teaching (1 Timothy 1:10), unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9), and say that those who practice it will never inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9)?
Yet, we read, in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world (you, me, everyone ever born), that He gave His only begotten Son" to die for us.
Now, would God, who will go that far to offer eternal life to everyone -- really create people such as He has described above?
Even an atheist mind must see the inconsistency in that line of thought. No, God would not create ANYONE to be an abomination in His eyes. Therefore, no one is conceived, i.e., created in the womb by God, to be homosexual.
God creates perfect. And, then man corrupts. That, my dear Friend, is the only explanation for why we have homosexuals and other sexual deviants in our societies today.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Ah, Bill, let's dance again. Leviticus - does it apply or doesn't it? All the rest are Paul, a sufferer of seizures and the Oral Roberts of his day, whose only authority is the OT - Leviticus - which doesn't apply, or does it?
And I'll ask for a fourth time - when does God stop interfering with fetal development?
Then what is a hermaphrodite to do?
Then what is a hermaphrodite to do?
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Just a guess, but don't they usually see which sex is dominant and go from there?