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It is a flawed proposition.
The only tools that the Dems or GOP have are:
1. Printing, borrowing and spending fiat currency.
2. Deadly force, or martial law.
It is in their DNA, they can't and won't change. They're counting on you to buy into the rhetoric.
We have to help ourselves, change(especially positive) comes from within, not from a suit in Washington.
We need to downsize the government and get them out of the way. We have allowed them to do enough damage already.
The only tools that the Dems or GOP have are:
1. Printing, borrowing and spending fiat currency.
2. Deadly force, or martial law.
It is in their DNA, they can't and won't change. They're counting on you to buy into the rhetoric.
We have to help ourselves, change(especially positive) comes from within, not from a suit in Washington.
We need to downsize the government and get them out of the way. We have allowed them to do enough damage already.
I wouldn't vote for him if he turned the economy around and made life "better" because for me the bottom line is NOT the economy. I'm not voting for the man for his stand on other issues. Besides Congress is the most responsible for the financial mess we are in.
quote:Originally posted by readaholic:
I wouldn't vote for him if he turned the economy around and made life "better" because for me the bottom line is NOT the economy. I'm not voting for the man for his stand on other issues. Besides Congress is the most responsible for the financial mess we are in.
I'm not too sure what issues other than, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, obtain the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity the government is supposed to get into.
Are any of those the issues you are concerned about ?
Oh, are those the issues that our government handles? So, when they took prayer out of school does that fit under establishing justice or blessings of liberty? And the funding for the National Endowment for the Arts and Planned Parenthood - which "issue" do they fall under?
Cloning? Funding for parks and museums? The government has its fingers in all sorts of issues and I'm more concerned about some of those "other issues" than I am the economy prospering at an all time high.
Cloning? Funding for parks and museums? The government has its fingers in all sorts of issues and I'm more concerned about some of those "other issues" than I am the economy prospering at an all time high.
readaholic, it will only be a matter of time before we lose our religious freedoms..already prayer has been taken out of schools...there are rumors that soon they could be taking religious programing off tv and the radio...
I think O'bama will lead us toward a one world government and religion...
I think O'bama will lead us toward a one world government and religion...
quote:Originally posted by readaholic:
Oh, are those the issues that our government handles? So, when they took prayer out of school does that fit under establishing justice or blessings of liberty? And the funding for the National Endowment for the Arts and Planned Parenthood - which "issue" do they fall under?
Cloning? Funding for parks and museums? The government has its fingers in all sorts of issues and I'm more concerned about some of those "other issues" than I am the economy prospering at an all time high.
Prayer is NOT, I repeat, NOT out of school !
Where did you get that ridiculous idea. Anyone can pray all they want, even before math test.
Do you not think that the arts should be funded ? Planned parenthood - What's wrong with helping young people plan their lives ? Parks and museums - you gotta be kidding me ! those are good for everybody- bet you never have been to Smithsonian. I suggest you go . Cloning- my bet is that if your child needed a new liver, you would be in favor of taking a few cells from their arm and growing another to transplant rather than watch them die.
At any rate, how are these "moral" issues.
Maybe they can be debated, but they are surly not at a moral level, only a "which thing do we fund" level.
Without a good steady thriving economy, most everything else is of little importance, as the ability to fund anything from the military to our schools is impossible .
I believe the things you object to are classified under "promote the general welfare " part. (sorry I left that out of my 1st post, getting CRS)
Let me see, when I was in elementary school we had a Bible verse read over the intercom each morning, followed by a short prayer. Prayer is NOT in the schools as far as organized prayer, why they can't even pray before a ball game or at graduations. Yes, I know that some do but let someone hear it and be offended and you've got another law case like the atheist who's against the pledge of allegiance because it says "under God". The fact is this country was founded by people seeking religious freedom and our laws were based on our Christian faith and now its "we'd better make sure no one else is offended" and forget the Christians. If you came to my house, put your feet under my table and partook of my food, you'd have your nerve to be offended if you had to listen to a blessing over the food! We've taken this tolerance thing too far.
But that is off the point - this is the politics section isn't it? Funding for Planned Parenthood supports abortion and I'm against abortions.
I have been to the Smithsonian and museums are fine but can be privately funded and that would free up a lot of cash to make the economy better. Same thing for the arts - why should my tax dollars go to pay for some guy to experiment with his art? There are enough benefactors to pay for that sort of thing or folks to raise funds for it.
No, I would not be for growing another organ for my dying child. I happen to be one of those nutty folks who believes God is in control and can heal and will and if not, I'd have to echo Job - The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord.
Obama is not my man because of his stand on the type judges he would place on the Supreme court, his voting record on abortions/letting live births from abortions die, his plan to repeal the Defense of Marriage act, to only name a few.
Like I said in answer to the poll - I'm not concerned with the economy as much as I am the direction this country is heading.
But that is off the point - this is the politics section isn't it? Funding for Planned Parenthood supports abortion and I'm against abortions.
I have been to the Smithsonian and museums are fine but can be privately funded and that would free up a lot of cash to make the economy better. Same thing for the arts - why should my tax dollars go to pay for some guy to experiment with his art? There are enough benefactors to pay for that sort of thing or folks to raise funds for it.
No, I would not be for growing another organ for my dying child. I happen to be one of those nutty folks who believes God is in control and can heal and will and if not, I'd have to echo Job - The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord.
Obama is not my man because of his stand on the type judges he would place on the Supreme court, his voting record on abortions/letting live births from abortions die, his plan to repeal the Defense of Marriage act, to only name a few.
Like I said in answer to the poll - I'm not concerned with the economy as much as I am the direction this country is heading.
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I'm not too sure what issues other than, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, obtain the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity...QUOTE]
I think the "Patriot Act" negated most of those issues...
I'm not too sure what issues other than, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, obtain the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity...QUOTE]
I think the "Patriot Act" negated most of those issues...
If you want your children to get a religious based education, send them to a private(religious) school.
I sent my children to private school.
I sent my children to private school.
Am I the only person who has heard of "separation of church & state"? Isn't that why we left England-because the church was trying to control the people? There are more than one issues that I (personally) do not agree with on a moral or spiritual standpoint but I also do not think it is the government's role to make those decisions for people.
quote:Originally posted by Firedancer:
Am I the only person who has heard of "separation of church & state"? Isn't that why we left England-because the church was trying to control the people? There are more than one issues that I (personally) do not agree with on a moral or spiritual standpoint but I also do not think it is the government's role to make those decisions for people.
I agree with you !
Only an idiot would believe that children in school are not allowed to pray.
What is not allowed is prayer forced upon them from a particular denomination, or religion.
The reason prayer was taken off the intercom, and left to the individual (didn't Jesus say that when you pray to go into a closet?) was that as a nation without a national religion, if one group were allowed control of the microphone, they would have to give it to any and every nutcase group that wanted it. Special concern at the time was the Hare Christioners (however it is spelled) and other Eastern religions, but now we have those of Islam faith , Hindu faith, and a whole plethora of groups who loosely claim Christianity, anywhere from the Jim Jones type, to the bunch that believes in old men marrying 12 year old girls (like the group in Texas we refer to as "fundamentalist Mormons")
Who among us would want their little Johnny praying one day to Jesus, the next bowing on a prayer rug to Mecca, turning a prayer-wheel with the Buddist the next,hearing that a 50 year old man has a religious right to marry a 12 year old girl, and she could go to hell for not submitting to him, and so on.
That is not what I want for my child.
Religion should be taught at home, or in the church of your choice, not forced upon them at school.
quote:Originally posted by Firedancer:
Am I the only person who has heard of "separation of church & state"? Isn't that why we left England-because the church was trying to control the people? There are more than one issues that I (personally) do not agree with on a moral or spiritual standpoint but I also do not think it is the government's role to make those decisions for people.
No you are not the only one. Most everything going on today is why we left England. But they just keep on catching up with us!
To get back to the original question, I agree that it's flawed. It's like asking, "If you could sprout wings and fly, would you jump off a cliff?" Sure, if I could fly, but I would have to instantly change into something I'm not.
Obama's policies and ideas are simply not beneficial to our country. We're in a mess and what he is proposing is not what we need. Therefore it would be impossible for him to improve the country without him doing a complete 180.
Besides, it's not the government's job to make life better. It's your's, that's what makes the country great.
Obama's policies and ideas are simply not beneficial to our country. We're in a mess and what he is proposing is not what we need. Therefore it would be impossible for him to improve the country without him doing a complete 180.
Besides, it's not the government's job to make life better. It's your's, that's what makes the country great.
quote:Originally posted by readaholic:
Let me see, when I was in elementary school we had a Bible verse read over the intercom each morning, followed by a short prayer. Prayer is NOT in the schools as far as organized prayer, why they can't even pray before a ball game or at graduations.
Would you allow verses from the Quran or Vedas, or the sayings of Buddha or any other non-Christian religion? Or do you believe that you can be any religion so long as its Christian?
quote:Yes, I know that some do but let someone hear it and be offended and you've got another law case like the atheist who's against the pledge of allegiance because it says "under God".
That's just silly. The issue is *official* prayer, not private prayer. The phrase "under God" was not an original part of the pledge of allegiance. It was added years later.
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The fact is this country was founded by people seeking religious freedom and our laws were based on our Christian faith and now its "we'd better make sure no one else is offended" and forget the Christians. If you came to my house, put your feet under my table and partook of my food, you'd have your nerve to be offended if you had to listen to a blessing over the food! We've taken this tolerance thing too far.
Sigh. Our laws were not based on "our Christian faith". Why are so many many self-professed christians so desperate to revise history in this way?
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But that is off the point - this is the politics section isn't it? Funding for Planned Parenthood supports abortion and I'm against abortions.
You have tunnel vision. Planned Parenthood deals with much more than just abortion.
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I have been to the Smithsonian and museums are fine but can be privately funded and that would free up a lot of cash to make the economy better. Same thing for the arts - why should my tax dollars go to pay for some guy to experiment with his art? There are enough benefactors to pay for that sort of thing or folks to raise funds for it.
No, I would not be for growing another organ for my dying child. I happen to be one of those nutty folks who believes God is in control and can heal and will and if not, I'd have to echo Job - The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord.
God gave us brains for a reason. Using them to save lives is a good thing. We shouldn't be sitting around on our behinds waiting for God to do everything for us.
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Obama is not my man because of his stand on the type judges he would place on the Supreme court, his voting record on abortions/letting live births from abortions die, his plan to repeal the Defense of Marriage act, to only name a few.
Defense of Marriage act? What an incredibly misnamed piece of legislation. I find it incredibly ironic that marriage needs to be defended from people who wish to engage in it, but does not need defense from those whose treat it as something which can be entered and exited on a whim.
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Like I said in answer to the poll - I'm not concerned with the economy as much as I am the direction this country is heading.
The direction you wish to go is not one I wish. Control your own life and leave the lives of others alone.
quote:Originally posted by readaholic:
I wouldn't vote for him if he turned the economy around and made life "better" because for me the bottom line is NOT the economy. I'm not voting for the man for his stand on other issues. Besides Congress is the most responsible for the financial mess we are in.
It is the economy,STUPID
quote:Originally posted by 8I:
If you want your children to get a religious based education, send them to a private(religious) school.
I sent my children to private school.
LOL GOOD POINT
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No, I would not be for growing another organ for my dying child. I happen to be one of those nutty folks who believes God is in control and can heal and will and if not, I'd have to echo Job - The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord.
Do you take medicine when you are sick? Does your child? Because your "theory" states that medicine is unecessary because (essentially) God will make it better.
I agree with the "when it's your time..." theory but I also agree with hospitals, surgeries, medicine, etc. If you were diagnosed with cancer, would you deny treatment because "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"? Most people would not.
quote:Originally posted by Firedancer:
Do you take medicine when you are sick? Does your child? Because your "theory" states that medicine is unecessary because (essentially) God will make it better.
I agree with the "when it's your time..." theory but I also agree with hospitals, surgeries, medicine, etc. If you were diagnosed with cancer, would you deny treatment because "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"? Most people would not.
The question was about cloning an organ. I believe that is stepping over the line into "playing God". I do take medicine - though rarely. I do believe in using doctor's and medical treatments. Our son had a broken leg when he was a child and we did take him to the doctor to get a cast on it.
I'm not against medicine/doctor's - they have their place. I've often asked myself the question about being diagnosed about cancer and what I would do. Personally, I'm "living this life to live again" and so have no qualms about leaving it all behind. My children are grown so that lessens the issue of wanting to/ needing to stay for them while they are growing up. I would have to take in all the factors - what type cancer, success rates on treatment, how involved it would all be and how it would affect my quality of life. I have no insurance and wouldn't want to have treatments galore, be constantly sick and die anyway leaving my family in debt over their ears. I can't say for sure because I'm not facing it. I do know that I have seen others hang on to life, endure suffering and no real quality of life and that is their choice. I, personally, would rather go on because like I said, "I'm living this life, to live again." This is just my opinion and I certainly do not expect everyone to agree.
Well I would have an organ cloned to save the life of one of my children.
I know there are certain religions which do not allow many medical treatments. For themselves, whatever, but to allow children to die it is considered a crime, and is prosecuted.
I'm just glad I'm not your child.
I know there are certain religions which do not allow many medical treatments. For themselves, whatever, but to allow children to die it is considered a crime, and is prosecuted.
I'm just glad I'm not your child.
quote:Originally posted by excelman:
I'm just glad I'm not your child.
I'm glad your not my child too. I imagine you were a handful to raise.
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