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Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
Below is a link to the MySpace page for Florence's new Christian establishment for youth. After perusing the 'site a moment, what are your initial reactions? Do you approve of the near nude picture, the $5 pool tourneys, the thug-like appearance of the band members, the names of the bands?

Click here.

(I have no real opinion on this. I just think it's funny to see how far "Christian" society has come. It seems like just yesterday that all of these things were the professed and proclaimed love children of Hitler and Satan, and now they're using the stuff to lure kids into their establishment.)
"If a writer has to rob his mother, he will not hesitate: 'The Ode on a Grecian Urn' is worth any number of old ladies." William Faulkner
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alachargeralachargerHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
Wow, with the hell looking fire in the back ground and the names of the bands listed along with the "Delteterious" ( album cover) that looks as though it has a satanic star on it. I would never have guessed it was Christian in any way.



Maybe it is a Satanic trap for our youth! Mad


Yep, just like the disco clubs that our parents warned us about....and the Beatles and Stones music that their parents warned them about....and so on and so forth. Every generation seems to find what will push the buttons of the previous generation and PUSH away!
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
The only thing I saw on the site with regards to Christianity was that the arcade was Christian owned. I'm sure lots of things are and don't really understand the point you are trying to make.


So, my dear SuperMan, you see that it's Christian owned, you see the pool game gambling, you see the nude boy in the bathtub, you see the persona of the bands in appearance and name, you understand the history of Christianity's stance in regards to these issues and you don't see the quandary? Yes, I'm sure there are a great many establishments that are owned by Christians, but typically the ones that announce the idea, while calling the place "a positive hang out for teens & young adults" (emphasis mine), are trying to align themselves in a more purposeful manner.
B bubbawrenMember
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Originally posted by one who posts:
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
The only thing I saw on the site with regards to Christianity was that the arcade was Christian owned. I'm sure lots of things are and don't really understand the point you are trying to make.


So, my dear SuperMan, you see that it's Christian owned, you see the pool game gambling, you see the nude boy in the bathtub, you see the persona of the bands in appearance and name, you understand the history of Christianity's stance in regards to these issues and you don't see the quandary? Yes, I'm sure there are a great many establishments that are owned by Christians, but typically the ones that announce the idea, while calling the place "a positive hang out for teens & young adults" (emphasis mine), are trying to align themselves in a more purposeful manner.


I hear you, One Who Posts. If Christians are going to proclaim that they are a Christian owned business, they should conduct that business in such a way that the non-christian as well as christians won't be confused about the type of business that goes on there. This type of confusion has come about because the Christian church has started Entertaining instead of Evangelizing.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
What commandment does nudity or having long hair break? I'd go down there and check out the pool tournament but I spent my last $5 cash last night at church BINGO.


Church Bingo... yes, many Churches have that... but this place in the link... is that what we REALLY want our kids to be part of???

Parents out there... would you let your child be part of that? Nudity? Gambling?

REAL teaching skills at work Roll Eyes
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by one who posts:
Below is a link to the MySpace page for Florence's new Christian establishment for youth. After perusing the 'site a moment, what are your initial reactions? Do you approve of the near nude picture, the $5 pool tourneys, the thug-like appearance of the band members, the names of the bands?

Click here.

(I have no real opinion on this. I just think it's funny to see how far "Christian" society has come. It seems like just yesterday that all of these things were the professed and proclaimed love children of Hitler and Satan, and now they're using the stuff to lure kids into their establishment.)


This is actually something that truly amazes me... The word CHRISTIAN makes most parents THINK it is a good place. Too bad they don't go IN and look, eh?
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
I'm actually, for once, in line with both Ubermensch and bubbwren on this one. I don't know that they're breaking any kind of "commandment" although they should perhaps spend some time in 1 Peter 2 and 3. It seems to me that "church" has become too much about stances and too little about getting to the world to help it.

As for the idea of The Rave being a bit confusing, good call. Even the name of the place holds a "sore spot" for those who have maintained interest in the news for any period of time. One of the definitions that the Oxford English Dictionary gives for "rave" is "[a] large, often illicit party or event, with dancing to fast electronic popular music, and sometimes associated with the use of recreational drugs such as LSD and Ecstasy." This has been the contemporary use of the word in youth culture as well.

I don't find any bait-and-switch in Jesus' methodology. Even skeptics of my argument, if they are honest with themselves, ought to at least admit that the wrong impression could be received from a 'site or location that states its Christian angle (perhaps as a form of "suggestion therapy"), and, upon investigation, the only thing associated with Christianity is the word "Christian." The rules at The Rave, however, do state that profanity and alcohol are not permissible, but those standards can be amply found away from Christianity.

I'm not bashing the place, I just find it a bit ironic that the flux capacitor wouldn't have to tell the DeLorean to 88 it too far back in time to find people who would be campaigning against this type of establishment. Now, it's a wholesome, "positive," Christian-owned environment.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by interventor:
Wow, we have trouble in River City, right here in River City! Young people are playing pool -- what next? And, people say I'm old and boring!


Unbelievable. Some will never learn to read every word in a post.

I am not bashing the establishment. I am noting the irony in subsequent generational cultures. What one culture vilified and sentenced to Hell is being used by next culture to keep youth from doing things that they fear will send them to Hell. It's not the pool tables, or the pool games, although you could go back even farther to find people who would condemn even those, it's the added characteristics noted by myself and echoed by Kindred.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by one who posts:
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Originally posted by interventor:
Wow, we have trouble in River City, right here in River City! Young people are playing pool -- what next? And, people say I'm old and boring!


Unbelievable. Some will never learn to read every word in a post.

I am not bashing the establishment. I am noting the irony in subsequent generational cultures. What one culture vilified and sentenced to Hell is being used by next culture to keep youth from doing things that they fear will send them to Hell. It's not the pool tables, or the pool games, although you could go back even farther to find people who would condemn even those, it's the added characteristics noted by myself and echoed by Kindred.


Yes, I echoed your reply... And I am saying these young people ARE our future... and unless you are a 16 year old, you should be shouting to the roof tops about this stuff being allowable to kids.
*~*Manda*~**~*Manda*~*Hall of Famer
um.. Wow.. lol

No, by the looks of it, I wouldn't think off the top of my head that it had anything to do with Christianity or being Christian owned. It's kind of sad that whichever Christian group that is involved with this place, has to resort to putting up something like that.

I personally wouldn't judge it on the Myspace profile, alone. As Myspace goes, anyone can make any type of page, and claim it belongs to something else.

I don't know, Im not logged in on Myspace to explore further, it's just kind of hard for me to see a Church group putting up a page like that. Not so hard for me to think that a kid/teenager of the Church to put it up to get others interested and talking about it though.

Either way it's being talked about.. LOL! So, ya know what they say, publicity is publicity even if it's bad publicity.

I definitely agree that if it is church owned and the place is like that, that it could be giving off the wrong idea.

If I were to base my whole opinion strictly on the page itself, nope, My kid wouldn't be going there. Then again, my kid is only 2 now, I'd hate to see some of the future places that might be like that. yikes!

Thanks for making me think though. Smiler

~Manda~
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by one who posts:
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Originally posted by interventor:
Wow, we have trouble in River City, right here in River City! Young people are playing pool -- what next? And, people say I'm old and boring!


Unbelievable. Some will never learn to read every word in a post.

I am not bashing the establishment. I am noting the irony in subsequent generational cultures. What one culture vilified and sentenced to Hell is being used by next culture to keep youth from doing things that they fear will send them to Hell. It's not the pool tables, or the pool games, although you could go back even farther to find people who would condemn even those, it's the added characteristics noted by myself and echoed by Kindred.


Yes, I echoed your reply... And I am saying these young people ARE our future... and unless you are a 16 year old, you should be shouting to the roof tops about this stuff being allowable to kids.


I don't have kids, so I don't know. However, it would seem that Kindred is most likely the voice of the majority on this one. Maybe this thread will help. Who knows?
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
um.. Wow.. lol

No, by the looks of it, I wouldn't think off the top of my head that it had anything to do with Christianity or being Christian owned. It's kind of sad that whichever Christian group that is involved with this place, has to resort to putting up something like that.

I personally wouldn't judge it on the Myspace profile, alone. As Myspace goes, anyone can make any type of page, and claim it belongs to something else.

I don't know, Im not logged in on Myspace to explore further, it's just kind of hard for me to see a Church group putting up a page like that. Not so hard for me to think that a kid/teenager of the Church to put it up to get others interested and talking about it though.

Either way it's being talked about.. LOL! So, ya know what they say, publicity is publicity even if it's bad publicity.

I definitely agree that if it is church owned and the place is like that, that it could be giving off the wrong idea.

If I were to base my whole opinion strictly on the page itself, nope, My kid wouldn't be going there. Then again, my kid is only 2 now, I'd hate to see some of the future places that might be like that. yikes!

Thanks for making me think though. Smiler

~Manda~


Well, it's real. And the page is a perfect representation according to the reports I hear about the place from those who've gone. I have a friend whose daughter seems to go rather regularly, but I don't say anything since it's none of my business how he raises his daughter.
D DixieChikOld Faithful
Just to make sure you understand how MYSPACE works -- the nudity that you see is not from the Arcade -- it is from another individual who is a member of MYSPACE and posted their comment on the page. The establishment itself has no nudity in its "page". They can delete those comments if they choose, but you can't control what someone uses as their photo in their space. As well as the "STar guitar" -- no that doesn't look like a star of Satan -- you should look up pentagram in the dictionary before you make that accusation.

As for the pool tournament -- Bingo night has gone on for years in churches as well as raffles, fund raisers, etc. -- if it gets the kids involved in something that will hone their motor skills instead of killing brain cells like drinking and drugs -- GO FOR IT!

And to the comments about the bands -- unfortunately teenagers think of the Beatles and other clean cut bands as lame and if someone wants to comment about long hair -- Jesus Christ is depicted in almost every picture with long hair and a beard. If the message in the lyrics that the bands sings are of a biblical nature -- a seed can still be planted and then it is up to the rest of us to help water and nurture it to grow.

You are correct that churches are into entertaining but part of that is society as a whole's problem -- we are in a give me society not a make me -- churches have had to adapt over the years. People leave the small churches so their kids can have more activities at the larger churches. So if there is somewhere that kids can hang out where no alcohol is served then that is great. Where else will they go? The bowling alley? Alcohol is served there and there is a lounge there -- The mall? where every girl you see is dressed like Britney Spears and the guys like Puff Daddy? Where they are around more gang activity and nothing constructive except "hanging out" and "walking around" -- more apt to shoplift as well as continue to spend money to "keep up with the jones'" --

I have heard for years that we need somewhere and something for our young people to do -- this place has attempted to provide that and now it is being criticized because it is "Christian owned"--would it be any better if Hugh Hefner owned it or Harvey Robbins? No.

BTW--I am in my 30s and grew up in this town with nothing to do and nowhere to go -- I would have enjoyed this type entertainment back then --AND I'M A PREACHER'S KID!
*~*Manda*~**~*Manda*~*Hall of Famer
I didn't say it wasn't real. I just meant, that if you use Myspace enough, you know that anyone can put up a page about anything, really.

So I couldn't tell you if the church group put it up, or one of the younger people involved in the running of the place or if it was a regular customer that put it up. And if they (either one) are advertizing it, by the church or for the church. Smiler

Basically, before I'd let my child go there, I'd have to check it out. I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing. If it is a place that has nudity in it and gambling, harsh music (which I'm a metal fan myself, so the music may not bother me) (whether that be religious in nature or not), then I wouldn't allow my child to go their either.

I hope I'm making sense. I have a headache, and you can ask my mom, when I have those, I don't convey things well.. LOL Big Grin

I'm also more of a discussion person, not a debate person.

~Manda~
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by stephanie:
Just to make sure you understand how MYSPACE works -- the nudity that you see is not from the Arcade -- it is from another individual who is a member of MYSPACE and posted their comment on the page. The establishment itself has no nudity in its "page". They can delete those comments if they choose, but you can't control what someone uses as their photo in their space. As well as the "STar guitar" -- no that doesn't look like a star of Satan -- you should look up pentagram in the dictionary before you make that accusation.

As for the pool tournament -- Bingo night has gone on for years in churches as well as raffles, fund raisers, etc. -- if it gets the kids involved in something that will hone their motor skills instead of killing brain cells like drinking and drugs -- GO FOR IT!

And to the comments about the bands -- unfortunately teenagers think of the Beatles and other clean cut bands as lame and if someone wants to comment about long hair -- Jesus Christ is depicted in almost every picture with long hair and a beard. If the message in the lyrics that the bands sings are of a biblical nature -- a seed can still be planted and then it is up to the rest of us to help water and nurture it to grow.

You are correct that churches are into entertaining but part of that is society as a whole's problem -- we are in a give me society not a make me -- churches have had to adapt over the years. People leave the small churches so their kids can have more activities at the larger churches. So if there is somewhere that kids can hang out where no alcohol is served then that is great. Where else will they go? The bowling alley? Alcohol is served there and there is a lounge there -- The mall? where every girl you see is dressed like Britney Spears and the guys like Puff Daddy? Where they are around more gang activity and nothing constructive except "hanging out" and "walking around" -- more apt to shoplift as well as continue to spend money to "keep up with the jones'" --

I have heard for years that we need somewhere and something for our young people to do -- this place has attempted to provide that and now it is being criticized because it is "Christian owned"--would it be any better if Hugh Hefner owned it or Harvey Robbins? No.

BTW--I am in my 30s and grew up in this town with nothing to do and nowhere to go -- I would have enjoyed this type entertainment back then --AND I'M A PREACHER'S KID!


I think the difficulty has come in the fact that the page is a little confusing. And since you've pointed out the idea of a society's shifting idea of what is normal and what is considered a poor appearance, how does this 'site and this place reconcile band names about purging, and a title that has quite contemporary ties to a frenzied drug party with 1 Thess. 5.22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil" (emphasis mine).

If the town's kids have been begging for "something to do," does that mean that any answer is the right one?

Also, who said church bingo was right? It was listed, but it wasn't categorized as right.
HeubHeubHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
Below is a link to the MySpace page for Florence's new Christian establishment for youth. After perusing the 'site a moment, what are your initial reactions? Do you approve of the near nude picture, the $5 pool tourneys, the thug-like appearance of the band members, the names of the bands?

Click here.

(I have no real opinion on this. I just think it's funny to see how far "Christian" society has come. It seems like just yesterday that all of these things were the professed and proclaimed love children of Hitler and Satan, and now they're using the stuff to lure kids into their establishment.)


This is actually something that truly amazes me... The word CHRISTIAN makes most parents THINK it is a good place. Too bad they don't go IN and look, eh?


As if they couldnt look at their kids before they left for the Rave. Clothes and Hair dont make the person. I didnt notice all of the hellish things you all did, but I did notice that there were no drugs or booze. Hell if I had kids I would just drop them off at the Rave when they are about 10 and pick them up when they are 17. This way if they were not raised right I could blame someone trying to provide a decent place for them to hang out instead of smoking dope in the mall parking lot.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
Just to make sure you understand how MYSPACE works -- the nudity that you see is not from the Arcade -- it is from another individual who is a member of MYSPACE and posted their comment on the page. The establishment itself has no nudity in its "page". They can delete those comments if they choose, but you can't control what someone uses as their photo in their space. As well as the "STar guitar" -- no that doesn't look like a star of Satan -- you should look up pentagram in the dictionary before you make that accusation.

As for the pool tournament -- Bingo night has gone on for years in churches as well as raffles, fund raisers, etc. -- if it gets the kids involved in something that will hone their motor skills instead of killing brain cells like drinking and drugs -- GO FOR IT!

And to the comments about the bands -- unfortunately teenagers think of the Beatles and other clean cut bands as lame and if someone wants to comment about long hair -- Jesus Christ is depicted in almost every picture with long hair and a beard. If the message in the lyrics that the bands sings are of a biblical nature -- a seed can still be planted and then it is up to the rest of us to help water and nurture it to grow.

You are correct that churches are into entertaining but part of that is society as a whole's problem -- we are in a give me society not a make me -- churches have had to adapt over the years. People leave the small churches so their kids can have more activities at the larger churches. So if there is somewhere that kids can hang out where no alcohol is served then that is great. Where else will they go? The bowling alley? Alcohol is served there and there is a lounge there -- The mall? where every girl you see is dressed like Britney Spears and the guys like Puff Daddy? Where they are around more gang activity and nothing constructive except "hanging out" and "walking around" -- more apt to shoplift as well as continue to spend money to "keep up with the jones'" --

I have heard for years that we need somewhere and something for our young people to do -- this place has attempted to provide that and now it is being criticized because it is "Christian owned"--would it be any better if Hugh Hefner owned it or Harvey Robbins? No.

BTW--I am in my 30s and grew up in this town with nothing to do and nowhere to go -- I would have enjoyed this type entertainment back then --AND I'M A PREACHER'S KID!


Stephanie, good point, one that I didn't even think of, and I am aware of myspace... I will have to look at it.

Thanks!
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Heub:

As if they couldnt look at their kids before they left for the Rave. Clothes and Hair dont make the person. I didnt notice all of the hellish things you all did, but I did notice that there were no drugs or booze. Hell if I had kids I would just drop them off at the Rave when they are about 10 and pick them up when they are 17. This way if they were not raised right I could blame someone trying to provide a decent place for them to hang out instead of smoking dope in the mall parking lot.



LOL, Heub... I had one that I could have done that with, Big Grin
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Heub:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by one who posts:
Below is a link to the MySpace page for Florence's new Christian establishment for youth. After perusing the 'site a moment, what are your initial reactions? Do you approve of the near nude picture, the $5 pool tourneys, the thug-like appearance of the band members, the names of the bands?

Click here.

(I have no real opinion on this. I just think it's funny to see how far "Christian" society has come. It seems like just yesterday that all of these things were the professed and proclaimed love children of Hitler and Satan, and now they're using the stuff to lure kids into their establishment.)


This is actually something that truly amazes me... The word CHRISTIAN makes most parents THINK it is a good place. Too bad they don't go IN and look, eh?


As if they couldnt look at their kids before they left for the Rave. Clothes and Hair dont make the person. I didnt notice all of the hellish things you all did, but I did notice that there were no drugs or booze. Hell if I had kids I would just drop them off at the Rave when they are about 10 and pick them up when they are 17. This way if they were not raised right I could blame someone trying to provide a decent place for them to hang out instead of smoking dope in the mall parking lot.


Ha! I think that's what got us here. We've all dropped our kids off at the computer and we pick them up after a while wondering what happened to them and where all the time went.
D DixieChikOld Faithful
I was raised in a small church that helped raise me to be a well mannered adult. I was raised to know that there is evil in the world as well as good so I was the Preacher's Kid that was raised to know how to choose right from wrong. I was the one who was raised to discern the truth for myself and not have to ask other's opinions for what to do. I was also raised with 2 brothers that would kick your butt for even considering my feminine mystique your business. ANd I was raised to not judge a book by its cover (pun intended).


I'm not perfect by any means -- believe me, but it's not my parent's fault -- it is my own!
:-)
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
I was raised in a small church that helped raise me to be a well mannered adult. I was raised to know that there is evil in the world as well as good so I was the Preacher's Kid that was raised to know how to choose right from wrong. I was the one who was raised to discern the truth for myself and not have to ask other's opinions for what to do. I was also raised with 2 brothers that would kick your butt for even considering my feminine mystique your business. ANd I was raised to not judge a book by its cover (pun intended).


I'm not perfect by any means -- believe me, but it's not my parent's fault -- it is my own!
:-)


Well, send your two Christian Commando brothers on to "kick my butt." Tell them to bring a lunch and a sleeping bag . . . oh, and a deck of cards; we'll probably be laughing, playing Texas Hold 'Em and watching Chris Farley movies by the time it's all said and done.

You need to simmer your little less-than-ten-posts booty down. We're on here for discussion. I came into the forum with your problem, and as repayment for the one who helped calm my zealous fingers down, I'm "paying it foward" to you. It's a bit hard to send your brothers in for a butt-kicking over a forum, but there's a first time for everything, and I'm usually up for all of it.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
Just to make sure you understand how MYSPACE works -- the nudity that you see is not from the Arcade -- it is from another individual who is a member of MYSPACE and posted their comment on the page. The establishment itself has no nudity in its "page". They can delete those comments if they choose, but you can't control what someone uses as their photo in their space. As well as the "STar guitar" -- no that doesn't look like a star of Satan -- you should look up pentagram in the dictionary before you make that accusation.

As for the pool tournament -- Bingo night has gone on for years in churches as well as raffles, fund raisers, etc. -- if it gets the kids involved in something that will hone their motor skills instead of killing brain cells like drinking and drugs -- GO FOR IT!

And to the comments about the bands -- unfortunately teenagers think of the Beatles and other clean cut bands as lame and if someone wants to comment about long hair -- Jesus Christ is depicted in almost every picture with long hair and a beard. If the message in the lyrics that the bands sings are of a biblical nature -- a seed can still be planted and then it is up to the rest of us to help water and nurture it to grow.

You are correct that churches are into entertaining but part of that is society as a whole's problem -- we are in a give me society not a make me -- churches have had to adapt over the years. People leave the small churches so their kids can have more activities at the larger churches. So if there is somewhere that kids can hang out where no alcohol is served then that is great. Where else will they go? The bowling alley? Alcohol is served there and there is a lounge there -- The mall? where every girl you see is dressed like Britney Spears and the guys like Puff Daddy? Where they are around more gang activity and nothing constructive except "hanging out" and "walking around" -- more apt to shoplift as well as continue to spend money to "keep up with the jones'" --

I have heard for years that we need somewhere and something for our young people to do -- this place has attempted to provide that and now it is being criticized because it is "Christian owned"--would it be any better if Hugh Hefner owned it or Harvey Robbins? No.

BTW--I am in my 30s and grew up in this town with nothing to do and nowhere to go -- I would have enjoyed this type entertainment back then --AND I'M A PREACHER'S KID!


Stephanie, I was finally able to look at the website, did not have time earlier. I do know how MYSPACE works, and kept an open mind.

I will retract some of my statements in this post and say that except for the names of the bands, which was truly NOT part of Christianity, the rest looked like what 'kids' do... had the rules posted too... NO DRINKING, NO DRUGS, etc.

I am not sure I want my grandsons there, but I will say that it is probably a better 'hang out' than what the kids DID have, which was basically either the skating rink, bowling alley or NOTHING...
S smurphPost Master
i did not see anything that concerns me,other than the name, The Rave. Kids flock to something based on something as simple as a name. Then again,maybe thats part of their gimmick,to atract kids, then once inside they can show them there really is good clean fun to be had.
Its a place parents should keep an eye on(as with ALL places where kids gather),and nothing wrong with a parent walking inside and checking it out either!
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by smurph:
i did not see anything that concerns me,other than the name, The Rave. Kids flock to something based on something as simple as a name. Then again,maybe thats part of their gimmick,to atract kids, then once inside they can show them there really is good clean fun to be had.
Its a place parents should keep an eye on(as with ALL places where kids gather),and nothing wrong with a parent walking inside and checking it out either!


As I was saying before, bait-and-switch lends itself to insinuating that the message isn't powerful enough to be attractive; John 12.32 "And I, if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me." (Jesus speaking). Just a thought.

I definitely agree with your comments about parents, though.
S smurphPost Master
[As I was saying before, bait-and-switch lends itself to insinuating that the message isn't powerful enough to be attractive; John 12.32 "And I, if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me." (Jesus speaking). Just a thought.]

i agree with you to a point. But kids today are into so much deeper,darker things than kids of times past.We have technology today that was not even dreamed of during my youth, and yes the technology today has an evil side to it.The most violent game played when i was a child was cowboys and Indians,,have you checked any of the video games lately?
Look at the types of drugs out in the world now, crystal meth certainly was not even around in my day,anywhere.If its bait and it works,I say go for it,anything to get them to listen,learn and possibly choose a different path than the one many are heading down.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
Ummmmm I know several of the kids IN the video They ARE Christian. Also the third frame set down is a gentleman witnessing about faith in Christ.
Sorry if it doesn't have stained glass and steeples. I am glad its there


I don't know that we're necessarily talking about the kids as much as we are testing the method.

Listen, if we can not test methods, then that insinuates that the methods can't withstand the trial. If it can, then the whole "I'm-going-to-take-this-personally" gig is out of line. If this method works, and/or if you agree with it, then stand proud, stick out your chest, elevate your chin, square your shoulders, and watch this thing perform. Enjoy its success!

If, however, it fails the test of scrutiny, be thrilled that our kids won't be subjected to it any longer!

Either way, Christians win!
Reflecting One of the voices iReflecting One of the voices iEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
Ummmmm I know several of the kids IN the video They ARE Christian. Also the third frame set down is a gentleman witnessing about faith in Christ.
Sorry if it doesn't have stained glass and steeples. I am glad its there


I don't know that we're necessarily talking about the kids as much as we are testing the method.

Listen, if we can not test methods, then that insinuates that the methods can't withstand the trial. If it can, then the whole "I'm-going-to-take-this-personally" gig is out of line. If this method works, and/or if you agree with it, then stand proud, stick out your chest, elevate your chin, square your shoulders, and watch this thing perform. Enjoy its success!

If, however, it fails the test of scrutiny, be thrilled that our kids won't be subjected to it any longer!

Either way, Christians win!


It is personal to extent I know some of the kids and I know their character. I also want more for our kids, in terms of extracurricular activities ,than the Shoals has to offer.

As invloved as most parents are ,I can agree to the test of time method. Unforutnately for our area,because of who we elect locally, any business is likely to fail regardless of morality. A place for youth to rock out and have a blast free from drugs and alcohol is a good thing period. Witch hunters naysayers and party poopers need to chill and let the youth have something...anything is more than they have now.... The SHoals number one export is it's qualified,educated youth...which leaves us the adverse selection. I'm sure there will be fights and drugs there sometimes, thats the nature of adolescence, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.
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I just saw the profile. There isn't a thing wrong with it, I think it's just the kind of place the Shoals needs. Without places like this that offers kids a positive place to hang out, they are more likely to get into trouble.

As for band names, I didn't see anything wrong with them either. I actually went to school with one of the guys in Destroy, Destroy, Destroy. He's a good guy.

I looked for the nude pictures people kept mentioning, I didn't see any. The only one that came close was the guy who's profile pic is him in the bathtub. That's a comment left by him, it has nothing to do with the club or what goes on there.

Some people are just surprised to see something that is Christian that isn't cheesy soft rock hymns or old people sitting around. I really don't see how anyone could have a problem with this. If I had kids, I'd let them go there.
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What does flames on the myspace background mean? exactly NOTHING...if you havent been there i suggest you actually go before making these crude comments, i am a youth myself and i encourage my friends to go because these bands you see on the myspace are christian bands whether their band names sound, or their personal appearance looks like they are...its all about the message they send through God, it may not be the type of music you listen to but if it attracts the youth, you people should respect that...and through my own experience the only gambling is simple HALO tournaments which each team member pools together 20 bux and plays for the pot which 1st place gets the larger sum and 2nd place gets a smaller sum if it permits, and the exact same thing with the pool tournaments...on a personal level Rob (the owner) is a good friend of mine, hes one of the few adults who actually understands how teens think and he knows what attracts them..i even go to school with his own kids and they are far from satanist...there is an old saying dont judge a book by its cover and this is exactly what most of you have done, so think about this next time your son or daughter wants to go to an event at The Rave
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Originally posted by jobcoach00:
What does flames on the myspace background mean? exactly NOTHING...if you havent been there i suggest you actually go before making these crude comments, i am a youth myself and i encourage my friends to go because these bands you see on the myspace are christian bands whether their band names sound, or their personal appearance looks like they are...its all about the message they send through God, it may not be the type of music you listen to but if it attracts the youth, you people should respect that...and through my own experience the only gambling is simple HALO tournaments which each team member pools together 20 bux and plays for the pot which 1st place gets the larger sum and 2nd place gets a smaller sum if it permits, and the exact same thing with the pool tournaments...on a personal level Rob (the owner) is a good friend of mine, hes one of the few adults who actually understands how teens think and he knows what attracts them..i even go to school with his own kids and they are far from satanist...there is an old saying dont judge a book by its cover and this is exactly what most of you have done, so think about this next time your son or daughter wants to go to an event at The Rave


Now, can't we all feel the love this guy's giving us? That's what I'm talking about. That good old fashioned, knock 'em out, tell 'em off, put 'em in their place Christianity. I'm sure you've likened yourself to Jesus with the moneychangers, but I call you Peter attending to Malchus. If these kids would spend as much time with the Christ as they do with their metal bands, maybe they would learn more about conflict resolution than the mosh pit is teaching them.
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Now, can't we all feel the love this guy's giving us? That's what I'm talking about. That good old fashioned, knock 'em out, tell 'em off, put 'em in their place Christianity. I'm sure you've likened yourself to Jesus with the moneychangers, but I call you Peter attending to Malchus. If these kids would spend as much time with the Christ as they do with their metal bands, maybe they would learn more about conflict resolution than the mosh pit is teaching them.



ummm any possiblility to your thought process that they could be spending time with Christ and a metal band at the same time..the bands are Christian...I think Jesus would listen to rock! probably relax with some Pink Floyd or jam to some Rush too
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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[As I was saying before, bait-and-switch lends itself to insinuating that the message isn't powerful enough to be attractive; John 12.32 "And I, if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me." (Jesus speaking). Just a thought.]

i agree with you to a point. But kids today are into so much deeper,darker things than kids of times past.We have technology today that was not even dreamed of during my youth, and yes the technology today has an evil side to it.The most violent game played when i was a child was cowboys and Indians,,have you checked any of the video games lately?
Look at the types of drugs out in the world now, crystal meth certainly was not even around in my day,anywhere.If its bait and it works,I say go for it,anything to get them to listen,learn and possibly choose a different path than the one many are heading down.


How VERY right you are!!!! Kids are in MORE of harm's way than earlier generations, that is true...

But you know, MOST kids are going to try almost everything Mom and Dad don't want them to try... and left with NO where to go, then trying drugs and alcohol in one of their friend's basement is very enticing. Now that they have a place to go, with adult supervision, it just might help those who are 'tempted' stay straight... I Pray that is what happens!!!
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