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And Bill, I ask you the same questions as I just asked Gingee in my above post - why don't the sins, the abominations, of pride and wicked imagination, of lying, or of any of these other things cut a person off from God? Why is it you only believe being g a y cuts a person off from God when all of the other sins mentioned are ALSO abominations?

 

Now, as to what I posted being "not true", well, I believe the things that YOU have posted are not true. How is it that these school children were "forced" to attend a gay pride parade and WITHOUT the parents even being aware of it? Tell me what school in this country could take kids on a field trip of ANY kind without getting parental permission slips? There's this thing called insurance you know, that REQUIRES parental permission. And I guarantee you cannot show me a link that tells about the uninformed parents putting up a stink when they found out. No lawsuits, no complaints to the board of education. Nothing. That's because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

 

No one is asking for "special laws" for g a y s. All they are asking for is equality. They want to be treated like any other Americans. Nothing special, just fair and equal treatment. An end to discrimination. They want to be able to exercize their right to the pursuit of happiness - that means they WILL be able to be with their loved ones during hospitalizations. They WILL be able to get on each other's insurance. And if they are ready to be in a committed relationship, let them marry.

 

No one has ever been able to explain to my satisfaction why they think marriage equality harms "traditional" marriages. Please tell me, if they guys down the street get married, how exactly does that harm YOUR marriage?

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Gays do NOT "recruit" young people. They have NOT force any school kids to attend gay pride event.

 

 That's a lie. Caught on tape, children forced to be indoctinated into homosexuality on gay pride day.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZIwZ2cljq4&feature=related

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These kids are not being "indoctrinated" into homosexuality. They are being "indoctrinated" into tolerance for people who are different from them. They are being indoctrinated into human dignity. They are being "indoctrinated" into showing kindness. They are being "indoctrinated" into rejecting the kind of hate people like you embrace.

 

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 So do you think while being indoctrinated into this "tolerance" these chilren were told the risks of the homosexual lifestyle?

 

 You think they were told that the average lifespan was 42, you think they were told that rectal sex increases the risks of aids, hepa****, blood poisoning, and a whole myriad of other dangerous diseases that permanently destroy the body?

 

  You think they were told that homosexuals were more likely to die violent deaths, be a victim of gay on gay violence, more likely to commit suuicide or more likely to become a drug addict?

 

 Do you think they were told that on average, the homosexual had over 400 encounters with different partners in a year?

 

 

 What you wanna bet these young impressionable kids were told none of these things?

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Because most of these things are simply not true except in the black hearts of people such as yourself and those who write the conspiracy theory blogs you cling to.

 

Perfect!! So who's decision is it to tech the children these moral issues? The parents or the school system? What if the parents are opposed to their children being indoctinated into the gay lifestyle, can they opt out? When the school system enjoys COMPULSIVE attendance or parents are threatened with jail, this is completely unacceptable. Teaching children to accept homosexuality is the first step to recruitment and a decision for parents, not the forced indoctrination of beuracrats who are gay themselves.


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Extra, you are a lost cause. Schools do not indoctrinate children into the gay lifestyle. I can't even imagine how you could say that when you look around at all the prejudice and hatred against homosexuals from all you "godly" people. You guys would be burning down the schools if that was true. And as far as "compulsive" attendance goes, that does not mean you can't keep a child out of school for a few days for any reason you want. I'm still waiting on answers to my questions. I am really interested in the incident you claim happened at the park. I would like to read the details of that. I have relatives in the tri-cities, and my sister in law walks in the park every day when the weather permits. She's never mentioned anything like that happening.

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Gays do NOT "recruit" young people. They have NOT force any school kids to attend gay pride event.

 

 That's a lie. Caught on tape, children forced to be indoctinated into homosexuality on gay pride day.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZIwZ2cljq4&feature=related

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These kids are not being "indoctrinated" into homosexuality. They are being "indoctrinated" into tolerance for people who are different from them. They are being indoctrinated into human dignity. They are being "indoctrinated" into showing kindness. They are being "indoctrinated" into rejecting the kind of hate people like you embrace.

 

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 So do you think while being indoctrinated into this "tolerance" these chilren were told the risks of the homosexual lifestyle?

 

 You think they were told that the average lifespan was 42, you think they were told that rectal sex increases the risks of aids, hepa****, blood poisoning, and a whole myriad of other dangerous diseases that permanently destroy the body?

 

  You think they were told that homosexuals were more likely to die violent deaths, be a victim of gay on gay violence, more likely to commit suuicide or more likely to become a drug addict?

 

 Do you think they were told that on average, the homosexual had over 400 encounters with different partners in a year?

 

 

 What you wanna bet these young impressionable kids were told none of these things?

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Because most of these things are simply not true except in the black hearts of people such as yourself and those who write the conspiracy theory blogs you cling to.

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Ohh really? What planet you live on? You cannot reference one single medical journal that will support your view.

 

 

Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in ***** and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated ***** to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]

·  Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse."

·  Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."[38

 

Do you consider the American Medical Journal as a reliable source?

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1

 

The CDC.

 

· According to the CDC, "transmission of the organism occurs during ******l, anal, or oral sex."[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.[30]

·  The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly health consequences: "It is now known that the genital sores caused by syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring hiv infection when syphilis is present."[31]

The CDC and the Canadian Medical Association.

 

Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. Gonorrhea traditionally occurs on the genitals, but has recently appeared in the rectal region and in the throat. Although easily treated by antibiotics, according to the cdc only "about 50 percent of men have some signs or symptoms, and "many women who are infected have no symptoms of infection."[23] Untreated gonorrhea can have serious and permanent health consequences, including infertility damage to the prostate and urethra.

·  A CDC report documents "significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM," indicating that "safe sex" practices may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In 1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]

·  The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found that "gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among heterosexuals)."[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal (throat) gonorrhea--15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for heterosexual men.[27]

Hepatitis according to the CDC.

 

Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver cancer.

·  Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by the CDC reports: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world."[20]

·  Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.[21]

·  Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk for contracting hepatitis C.[22]

More fact based studies from medical professionals not the dimwits on this board.

 

Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:

·  A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[9]

·  In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]

·  A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[11]

·  In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[12]

Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different from marriage.

·  In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,

Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]

·  In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]

From Johns Hopkins university and the CDC.

 

Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.

·  A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of three-hundred-sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their last same-sex encounter.[7]

·  A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men and women. Another cdc study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected anal sex--the riskiest sexual behavior--in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent increase from the previous two years.[8]

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Willie,

You are betting your eternal life -- on the word of people such as Jennifer, Chick, Vic, Crusty, David, etc.  ARE YOU REALLY SURE?

You might consider, seriously, turning from following that crowd -- and turn to following Jesus.  That is eternally better.

Bill

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Oh, good grief! You have said some stupid things but this takes grand prize. Following "that" crowd? Exactly how is willie betting anything on anyone's word? Just because some of us agree about you, then that makes us a "crowd"? It's amazing the junk that you get in your head.

You need to see a doctor, you're getting worse.

Originally Posted by O No!:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/

 

Read these. They are all sexually transmitted diseases that can be spread by heterosexual people. I guess if we apply your "logic", then NOBODY should ever have sex again no matter who they are!

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 Once again, the rates of infection are exponentially higher for homosexuals because their behavior is much more risky than the vast majority of heterosexuals. You know the truth, you just want to skew it, that makes you intellectually dishonest and a liar. You are taking a minority of heterosexuals and comparing them to a majority of homosexuals.  There is no comparisons, the rates of infectious diseases are off the charts compared to heterosexuals. That said, the studies themselves do not put the risky behavior of homosexuals who also have opposite sex parters (bi sexual)  as a homosexual risk, but as was pointed out on David L's link, actually list those as heterosexual, thus skewing the numbers.

 

 you know the truth, you only trying to cloud the issue to make truth fit into your pidgeonhole. As I stated before, you are an apostate Christian, and deny the truth.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Post the link where it says these diseases are higher in homosexuals. And while you're at it, how about answering my questions.

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 Geez louise, I have many times.

 

Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.

·  A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of three-hundred-sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their last same-sex encounter.[7]

·  A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men and women. Another cdc study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected anal sex--the riskiest sexual behavior--in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent increase from the previous two years.[8]

 

Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other stds, the incidence of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the rise.

·  According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the percentage of those reporting "always" using condoms declined from 69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]

·  The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals twenty-five years old or younger.[3]

 

Unhealthy Aspects of "Monogamous" Homosexual Relationships. Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed "monogamous" do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.

·  The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than those without a steady partner.[15] Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.

·  The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.[16]

 

Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is a collection of more than seventy types of viruses that can cause warts, or papillomas, on various parts of the body. More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the genital tract of both men and women. Most HPV infections are subclinical or asymptomatic, with only one in a hundred people experiencing genital warts.

·  HPV is "almost universal" among homosexuals. According to the homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade: "A San Francisco study of Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men carried HPV."[17]

·  HPV can lead to anal cancer. At the recent Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that "most instances of anal cancer are caused by a cancer-causing strain of HPV through receptive anal intercourse. HPV infects over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIV-negative gay men, according to a number of recent studies."[18]

 

Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. Gonorrhea traditionally occurs on the genitals, but has recently appeared in the rectal region and in the throat. Although easily treated by antibiotics, according to the cdc only "about 50 percent of men have some signs or symptoms, and "many women who are infected have no symptoms of infection."[23] Untreated gonorrhea can have serious and permanent health consequences, including infertility damage to the prostate and urethra.

·  A CDC report documents "significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM," indicating that "safe sex" practices may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In 1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]

·  The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found that "gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among heterosexuals)."[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal (throat) gonorrhea--15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for heterosexual men.[27]

Syphilis: A venereal disease that, if left untreated, can spread throughout the body over time, causing serious heart abnormalities, mental disorders, blindness, and death. The initial symptoms of syphilis are often mild and painless, leading some individuals to avoid seeking treatment. According to the National Institutes of Health, the disease may be mistaken for other common illnesses: "syphilis has sometimes been called 'the great imitator' because its early symptoms are similar to those of many other diseases." Early symptoms include rashes, moist warts in the groin area, slimy white patches in the mouth, or pus-filled bumps resembling chicken pox.[28]

·  According to the CDC, "transmission of the organism occurs during ******l, anal, or oral sex."[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.[30]

·  The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly health consequences: "It is now known that the genital sores caused by syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring hiv infection when syphilis is present."[31]

Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in ***** and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated ***** to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]

·  Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse."

·  Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."[38]

HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure.

·  Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December 1999, "men who have sex with men" and "men who have sex with men and inject drugs" together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.[39]

And the smoking gun.

 

· Homosexuals with HIV are at increased risk for developing other life-threatening diseases. A paper delivered at the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health reported that homosexual men with HIV have "a 37-fold increase in anal cancer, a 4-fold increase in Hodgkin's disease (cancer of the lymph nodes), a 2.7-fold increase in cancer of the ********s, and a 2.5 fold increase in lip cancer."[42]

More.

 

  Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive, which, according to Dr. Palefsky, is "roughly ten times higher than the current rate of cervical cancer."[49]

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by O No!:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/

 

Read these. They are all sexually transmitted diseases that can be spread by heterosexual people. I guess if we apply your "logic", then NOBODY should ever have sex again no matter who they are!

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 Once again, the rates of infection are exponentially higher for homosexuals because their behavior is much more risky than the vast majority of heterosexuals. You know the truth, you just want to skew it, that makes you intellectually dishonest and a liar. You are taking a minority of heterosexuals and comparing them to a majority of homosexuals.  There is no comparisons, the rates of infectious diseases are off the charts compared to heterosexuals. That said, the studies themselves do not put the risky behavior of homosexuals who also have opposite sex parters (bi sexual)  as a homosexual risk, but as was pointed out on David L's link, actually list those as heterosexual, thus skewing the numbers.

 

 you know the truth, you only trying to cloud the issue to make truth fit into your pidgeonhole. As I stated before, you are an apostate Christian, and deny the truth.

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Extra, I am NOT a liar, but YOU have a serious mental problem. You are downtright scary. I mean it. I think out of all the people I have "met" online, you are the most frighteningly unbalanced.

 

And it is because I know you are emotionally impaired that your opinion about my Christianity doesn't anger me. It saddens and scares me that anyone as angry, hateful, and well, insane, should be running around free.

 

Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Oh-no,

 You can bet that none of these MEDICAL FACTS were presented to these children who were indoctrinated into this "tolerance" as you call it.

All those things are issues of promiscuity, not sexual orientation. The affect heterosexual and homosexual alike who engage in similar practices.

Originally Posted by logical:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Oh-no,

 You can bet that none of these MEDICAL FACTS were presented to these children who were indoctrinated into this "tolerance" as you call it.

All those things are issues of promiscuity, not sexual orientation. The affect heterosexual and homosexual alike who engage in similar practices.

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 Seriously? Your kidding right?

 

And what about the gay people who do not engage in unsafe sex practices? I even have gay friends who are celibate. You think that ALL gay people are the same and they all have the same characteristics. You don't vilify an entire segment of the population just because a high percentage of that population does something you don't like. Or I guess you do?

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by logical:
Originally Posted by Extra-260:

Oh-no,

 You can bet that none of these MEDICAL FACTS were presented to these children who were indoctrinated into this "tolerance" as you call it.

All those things are issues of promiscuity, not sexual orientation. The affect heterosexual and homosexual alike who engage in similar practices.

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 Seriously? Your kidding right?

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Extra, you didn't know that straight people get STDs? Oh my!!

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Gingee:
 

 

Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Do you think God would want you to speak out against omosexuality? Do you believe the Bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong and is a sin? Just currious.

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The Bible says it is a sin. But the Bible also says that pride is a sin. It says that a wicked imagination is a sin. And a host of other things.

 

I believe we are ALL sinners, and that our sins should not be judged by others, but by God.

 

Now, my question for you is, have you ever been cut off in traffic and just for a moment, pictured the guy a little further down the road having an accident? Or how about this - have you ever heard of a rapist or child molester being convicted and been just a little bit glad that HE will get a "taste of his own medicine" when he gets to prison? That is what I would call a wicked imagination.

 

Have you ever baked a cake for an event and felt a little bit smug when everybody liked it better than the cake your neighbor (of whom you are not fond) brought? Ever bragged about your Grandchildren? That is the sin of pride.

 

Have you ever in your life called in sick to the job when in fact you WEREN'T sick? That is lying, another abomination.

 

You and some of the others on this board seem to think that because a g a y person is sinning, he or she is cutting himself off from God. Why is it you don't think the same applies to other sinners and other sins?

 


 


Do you embrace these sins you mentioned? Do you defend them with a vengence? No you try not to be proud or any of the things you know that God hates. Sure we all sin but we don't try to promote our sins and continue with that sin denying that it is a sin while knowing that it is against God's will.

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Gingee:
 

 

Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Do you think God would want you to speak out against omosexuality? Do you believe the Bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong and is a sin? Just currious.

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The Bible says it is a sin. But the Bible also says that pride is a sin. It says that a wicked imagination is a sin. And a host of other things.

 

I believe we are ALL sinners, and that our sins should not be judged by others, but by God.

 

Now, my question for you is, have you ever been cut off in traffic and just for a moment, pictured the guy a little further down the road having an accident? Or how about this - have you ever heard of a rapist or child molester being convicted and been just a little bit glad that HE will get a "taste of his own medicine" when he gets to prison? That is what I would call a wicked imagination.

 

Have you ever baked a cake for an event and felt a little bit smug when everybody liked it better than the cake your neighbor (of whom you are not fond) brought? Ever bragged about your Grandchildren? That is the sin of pride.

 

Have you ever in your life called in sick to the job when in fact you WEREN'T sick? That is lying, another abomination.

 

You and some of the others on this board seem to think that because a g a y person is sinning, he or she is cutting himself off from God. Why is it you don't think the same applies to other sinners and other sins?

 


 

We all sin you are correct. Yet when we sin we do not continue to sin and say that we know it is a sin but it feels good to us so we believe it will be alright with God. We cannot have it both ways. Either it is a sin or it isn't. If I sin as a Christian I will ask God's forgiveness and try with all my might to never commit that sin again. That is called repentance. In other words I will turn away from that sin. In homosexuality there is no turning away or asking forgiveness. Homosexuals think that what they are engaging in is perfectly fine and that God has a problem if he doesn't see it the same way. Well that's not the case. If you are a Christian you should have no problem understanding this.

We all sin you are correct. Yet when we sin we do not continue to sin and say that we know it is a sin but it feels good to us so we believe it will be alright with God. We cannot have it both ways. Either it is a sin or it isn't. If I sin as a Christian I will ask God's forgiveness and try with all my might to never commit that sin again. That is called repentance. In other words I will turn away from that sin. In homosexuality there is no turning away or asking forgiveness. Homosexuals think that what they are engaging in is perfectly fine and that God has a problem if he doesn't see it the same way. Well that's not the case. If you are a Christian you should have no problem understanding this.


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Using your list of sins, yes, you continue to sin. Some you probably commit over and over, some maybe not as much. What sin are homosexuals committing? You say because "if it feels good" they keep doing it. Are you married? Do you keep "doing it"?  Now before you jump in with "my wife/husband isn't the same sex", think about it. IF homosexuality was a choice, and the only reason, as you say they do it, was because it felt good, why would they choose a same sex partner but you didn't?  If you claim they are evil or whatever, why do most of you, like bill, say they would have no problem with a homosexual IF they didn't "act on their urge"? Isn't that admitting that you know it isn't a choice?  Is this the only "sin" or "flaw" (in your eyes, I don't consider it either) that you won't forgive a person? If so, why can't people hold your sins against you, use them to keep rights away from you, lie about you, call you diseased and oppress you? Why do you get to "act on your urges" to sin? You know you sin every day, and just because you "feel guilty" and ask your god to forgive you, why shouldn't you still be considered a bad person? We all know you're going to keep sinning as long as you're alive.

Gingee, it's none of my business, and I am not asking you to answer me, but I will ask you to answer yourself - how much do you weigh? If you are overweight (and I'm not saying you are - just a hypothetical) and you continue to eat sweets, you are sinning by not taking care of the body (temple) God gave you. Do you lump overweight people in with g a y s? After all, they know it is a sin to let themselves get fat, but they keep "following the urge" to overeat.

 

How about smokers? Same thing. They are defiling the temple of God, poisoning it! That is a sin and they too are "following the urge". Should THEy be shunned, deprived of human dignity?

 

And please Gingee, show me scripture that tells us we are to judge others. Last I knew we are NOT supposed to judge others.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Gingee, it's none of my business, and I am not asking you to answer me, but I will ask you to answer yourself - how much do you weigh? If you are overweight (and I'm not saying you are - just a hypothetical) and you continue to eat sweets, you are sinning by not taking care of the body (temple) God gave you. Do you lump overweight people in with g a y s? After all, they know it is a sin to let themselves get fat, but they keep "following the urge" to overeat.

 

How about smokers? Same thing. They are defiling the temple of God, poisoning it! That is a sin and they too are "following the urge". Should THEy be shunned, deprived of human dignity?

 

And please Gingee, show me scripture that tells us we are to judge others. Last I knew we are NOT supposed to judge others.

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 So by your argument we should just then pass laws making lying, lusting, overeating, bragging,  and just about any other sin not only legal, but government promoted.

quote:   Originally Posted by O No!:
You and some of the others on this board seem to think that because a gay person is sinning, he or she is cutting himself off from God.  Why is it you don't think the same applies to other sinners and other sins? 

Hi O No,

 

You are right that we all are sinners and sin every day.  But, there is a HUGE difference between committing a sin -- and living a sin lifestyle.   Being a homosexual is not a sinLiving an active homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in the eyes of God.

 

And, it is made even worse when the homosexual claims to be a Christian, attends church to worship God -- and then lives an active homosexual lifestyle.

 

An even worse abomination is when a person living an active homosexual lifestyle is made a pastor, church leader, or bishop.   That is not only a sin, it is spitting into the face of God -- by both that person and by that Liberal church.

 

And, O, what do we say to our Liberal Theology Friends who know that this person is living a lifestyle which God says is an abomination, unnatural, contrary to sound teaching, etc. -- and our Liberal Friend tells the homosexual that is is okay to live that way, that God doesn't mind? 

 

Yes, we are told not to judge -- but, we are also told to warn others when we see them headed for destruction.   If you saw a person driving toward a bridge which you know has collapsed -- will you warn that person that he/she is heading toward destruction -- or will you just ignore his/her danger, telling yourself that God does not want you to get involved -- that God does not want you to judge this person's driving?

 

What do you imagine God would have to say to the person who purposely allowed another to drive to his destruction -- without trying to save the driver?

 

What do you imagine God would have to say to the person who purposely allows another to continue living a lifestyle which we know is destructive to that person's spiritual life and eternal soul -- without warning the person of his eternal peril?

 

O No, do you really believe that a person who dies while still living in a homosexual lifestyle -- will have eternal life with God in heaven?  What do you believe the Bible tells us about this person's eternal life?   Keep in mind that the Bible is our sole authority on Christian living and eternal salvation.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Extra-260:
So by your argument we should just then pass laws making lying, lusting, overeating, bragging, and just about any other sin not only legal, but government promoted.

Hi Extra,

 

We already have that.  It is called Socialism!  And, it has a step-sister called Welfare -- and an evil step-brother called Amnesty.  Who says our government is not working?

 

Sorry, I just could not resist -- the devil made me do it!   Bless his socialist little heart!

 

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
   Being a homosexual is not a sinLiving an active homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in the eyes of God.

 

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Well, not God, just Leviticus - which you say no longer applies, or you'd stop eating pork - and Paul, who isn't God. 

 

Jesus on the other hand said about homosexuals................... nothing.  No condemnation, nothing.  

 

He did say to love your neighbor.   You should try that, Bill.

It seems pretty evident to me that the real issue here is whether or not people should read that despicable book called the bible. Certainly it is a source of intense hatred. It obviously creates seriously demented individuals such as Bill and Extra. It has led to the persecution of innocent people for hundreds of years, and is the greatest source of bigotry known to mankind. I have no desire to see it banned, because that would just entrench it even more, but I do believe that all rational individuals should ridicule it at every opportunity. Ridicule is really the only effective weapon to use against his type of insanity.

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