The Watchmaker

TNT

That was great.

Thank you .

You come back and help me when GoFish & Deep gets here ok .

LMAO!!

Where did you find the comedy film?

DF

Here's a better film.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2epvSAGuLc

DF

Loved it tnt

I believe we've seen that film before, and I'm sure we'll see it again.

I offer a simple 4 minute deconstruction of that false analogy. Thank you and enjoy.

Regards, Miamizsun

I bet you'll see it again sooner than you think! lol

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
I bet you'll see it again sooner than you think! lol

If you liked that video, you should enjoy this one as well.

Creation of the Universe.

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Originally posted by tnt5862:
http://kids4truth.com/watchmaker/watch.html

Cool video. Thanks for sharing that.

nice try miami
but I believe I will stick to the Holy Bible not the quaran


TNT posted that link in another threat, thats what I meant by my last post

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Originally posted by tnt5862:
Thank you .

You come back and help me when GoFish & Deep gets here ok .

TNT,

You know I’m always in your defense .

Why should I hinder such ambition?

Frankly , I’m quiet comfortable with the two being in the company of the adversary.

I feel sure God don't consider them as a threat.

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Where did you find the comedy film?

I wish it were comedy. But it is a lie wrapped in pseudoscience. I personally think it is breathtakingly sad that these people will so easily choose ignorance and superstition over testable, verifiable, known facts.

And defend the lie to their last breath.

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I personally think it is breathtakingly sad that these people will so easily choose ignorance and superstition over testable, verifiable, known facts.

Aww you make GoFish emo.

Gotta love Fill-In-the-Gap-God. We don't completely understand something, so God must have done it.

We blame things like illness on God, until we understand things like bacteria caused ulcers, and virus caused cancer.

I bet God gets pretty tired of being blamed for all the bad (and good) things that happen to people. Well, not really, since he's obviously not paying attention.

Go ahead and limit your god to something you can understand. I'm thinking you will be sorely disappointed in your imagination in the end. One way or another.

Crusty, the particularly sad thing about this film and it's proponents is that there is no gap. We know about life and it's increasing complexity.

The only gaps involve holes in Creationists' heads, and more holes in their hearts where others put the courage to accept truth as they find it.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Crusty, the particularly sad thing about this film and it's proponents is that there is no gap. We know about life and it's increasing complexity.

The only gaps involve holes in Creationists' heads, and more holes in their hearts where others put the courage to accept truth as they find it.

DF

Hi Deep,

Then, possibly, you can answer the question I pose in my new discussion: What Is The Origin Of Life?"

I pray that you will consider giving a sincere, thoughtful response and not just the canned atheist cutesy responses normally given.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Mr. Bill,

What is the origin of god?

I pray you will consider this well, and not give us some cutesy, d u m b a s s, fundy, superstitious answer, but something grounded in reality and evidence.

DF

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Mr. Bill,

What is the origin of god?

I pray you will consider this well, and not give us some cutesy, d u m b a s s, fundy, superstitious answer, but something grounded in reality and evidence.

DF

Hi Deep,

I will make you a deal. You first answer my question: WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF LIFE?

And, then I will answer you question. Is this fair, or what?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill,

You are beyond tiresome. We have discussed the origin of life a dozen times here, and yet you stand there with your fingers in your ears singing "La la la la la la!" loud as you can.

Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

We made him up. Out of blue sky, moon shine, and fear of the dark.

DF

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/0...BAQT129NMG.DTL&tsp=1


Yesssssssssss, yes, oh, yes.



DF

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Bill,

You are beyond tiresome. We have discussed the origin of life a dozen times here, and yet you stand there with your fingers in your ears singing "La la la la la la!" loud as you can.

Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

We made him up. Out of blue sky, moon shine, and fear of the dark.

DF

Hi Deep,

Quit beating your chest (or we will have to change your posting name to Tarzan) and just admit that you cannot answer the question of the origin of life. You can huff and puff all you want; but, you are just avoiding the question and trying to offer a bit of your "look at this hand; don't look at that hand" misdirection and misinformation.

Either you can explain the origin of life or you cannot. Fish has been honest and admitted that he cannot. Why not join with him and, for once, be honest. Admit you have no idea -- then, we can talk more about God.

And, no more tantrums please.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/0...BAQT129NMG.DTL&tsp=1

Yesssssssssss, yes, oh, yes.

DF

Hi to all,

Gee, we have an atheist cheering for a San Francisco based Liberal Left judge ruling. I guess the only thing I can say is, as our dear friend, Gomer Pyle, always said, "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"

What is this world coming to -- an atheist and a liberal agreeing? Can you imagine?

Go back to sleep, Deep.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Fish has been honest and admitted that he cannot.

I "admitted" nothing. To "admit" means I had something to hide and decided to tell the truth. I do not lie. Deep and I have been forthcoming with you about this from the beginning.

I informed you that science currently does not have a theory - only hypotheses.

You, sir, have some "admitting" to do. When will you admit to the stupidity of a 6000 year old earth?

Hi Fish,

You tell me, "I 'admitted' nothing. To 'admit' means I had something to hide and decided to tell the truth. I do not lie. Deep and I have been forthcoming with you about this from the beginning. I informed you that science currently does not have a theory - only hypotheses."

Well, let me refresh your memory. In the discussion "What Is The Origin Of Life" -- you posted the following statement:

Bill, I've answered this question a dozen times for you and the answer is still the same: We don't know how life began.

Let me state that differently in case you didn't understand that statement: WE DO NOT KNOW HOW LIFE BEGAN.

Now, I don't know how an atheist looks at an admission; but, to me, when one is asked a question -- and his reply is, "WE DO NOT KNOW HOW LIFE BEGAN" -- that sure sounds like an admission to me. Therefore, if you have made an admission -- you have admitted. Even an atheist cannot wiggle out of that.

Now, to your second statement, "You, sir, have some 'admitting. to do. When will you admit to the stupidity of a 6000 year old earth?"

I'll tell you what, Fish, we will talk about it when we have left this world and gone into eternity. Then, we both will know the absolute truth.

Oh, I am sorry. I forgot -- we will be staying in different resorts. I will be in the Heavenly Arms; but, you will be where they are singing, "There'll be a hot time in the old town tonight!"

So, I guess we will never be able to resolve that wee little conflict. But, that is okay. You go on believing there are billion year old rocks; and I will continue to believe God's Word.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Now, I don't know how an atheist looks at an admission; but, to me, when one is asked a question -- and his reply is, "WE DO NOT KNOW HOW LIFE BEGAN" -- that sure sounds like an admission to me.

Jesus. Okay, I "admit" it. That better? Again, my "admission" hasn't changed sine we started talking about this stuff. I also "admit" the sky is blue and will "admit" that 70% of the earth's surface is covered by water.

In short, I "admit" to scientific facts and the FACT is that we do not know how life began. We do have hypothesis that are being tested and the overwhelming mountain of evidence indicates that life began from non-life - we just don't know the exact mechanism. There is no evidence that some non-dimensional superbeing zapped anything into existence.

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Oh, I am sorry. I forgot -- we will be staying in different resorts. I will be in the Heavenly Arms; but, you will be where they are singing, "There'll be a hot time in the old town tonight!"

I want you to take note of something, Bill. You seem to cry to the moderators any time anyone makes so much as a hint of offense towards you. The silly avatar I used that disguised your evil mug is just a recent example.

But you overlook the fact that you are actually making light of someone facing the worst kind of torture imaginable for eternity. No, of course it's not true but, still, the fact that you make jokes while other are supposedly being tortured illuminates your true character better than all your rambling, misused bible thumpings.

Deep down, you are a mean, cruel man, Bill.

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Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

DeepFat...this is not science, and I am sure will be quickly shot down, but... I once prayed for an answer to that question and God showed me something..imagine this if you can...
God has always been, so imagine going as far back in time as you can imagine...at the same time go forward in time as far as you can imagine....if you imagine both at the same time, concentrating, eventually the two times meet. As an Einstein theory..light travels in a straight line but gradually arcs. It is the same way with time. Therefore, God is infinite, there is no beginning, neither an end. In our finite minds, it is difficult to understand, but we have to realize possibly there is a greater knowledge outside of our finite IQ's.

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/0...BAQT129NMG.DTL&tsp=1


Yesssssssssss, yes, oh, yes.



DF

Ha deep,

While you chortle in your joy I would remind you.

Judges are not appointed or elected based on their intelligence.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Bill,

You are beyond tiresome. We have discussed the origin of life a dozen times here, and yet you stand there with your fingers in your ears singing "La la la la la la!" loud as you can.

Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

We made him up. Out of blue sky, moon shine, and fear of the dark.

DF

Hi Deep,

Quit beating your chest (or we will have to change your posting name to Tarzan) and just admit that you cannot answer the question of the origin of life. You can huff and puff all you want; but, you are just avoiding the question and trying to offer a bit of your "look at this hand; don't look at that hand" misdirection and misinformation.

Either you can explain the origin of life or you cannot. Fish has been honest and admitted that he cannot. Why not join with him and, for once, be honest. Admit you have no idea -- then, we can talk more about God.

And, no more tantrums please.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you've apparently slipped into senility. Deep has answered this question on more than one occasion. He probably needs to type it up and save it, so he can cut and paste every time you ask.

So how about it Bill? Origin of God? Your turn.

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Why not join with him and, for once, be honest.

Honesty does not register on you, Mr. Bill. I've been honest and explanatory. You respond with childish fairy tales and a refusal to even try to understand.

You are very sad.

You are mired in primitive mindset that the civilized world abandoned hundreds of years ago. For good reason, too, the literalist interpretation of the bible is utterly stupid and impossible.

DF

quote:

Originally posted by CrustyMac:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Bill,

You are beyond tiresome. We have discussed the origin of life a dozen times here, and yet you stand there with your fingers in your ears singing "La la la la la la!" loud as you can.

Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

We made him up. Out of blue sky, moon shine, and fear of the dark.

DF

Hi Deep,

Quit beating your chest (or we will have to change your posting name to Tarzan) and just admit that you cannot answer the question of the origin of life. You can huff and puff all you want; but, you are just avoiding the question and trying to offer a bit of your "look at this hand; don't look at that hand" misdirection and misinformation.

Either you can explain the origin of life or you cannot. Fish has been honest and admitted that he cannot. Why not join with him and, for once, be honest. Admit you have no idea -- then, we can talk more about God.

And, no more tantrums please.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you've apparently slipped into senility. Deep has answered this question on more than one occasion. He probably needs to type it up and save it, so he can cut and paste every time you ask.

So how about it Bill? Origin of God? Your turn.

Hi Crusty and Deep,

That is fine; call me senile, call me nuts; just don't forget to call me for dinner.

So, just to appease my senile mind -- maybe one of you, either Crusty or Deep, can quite huffing and puffing long enough to post an exact answer to the question: What Is The Origin Of Life?

Forgive my senility -- and just do this one thing for me: post an answer, if you have one -- which you do not.

The reason that this dynamic duo cannot stop huffing and puffing -- is that you do not have an answer. If qualified scientists do not have an answer; how could you, the dynamic duo, possibly have one.

Now, we all know that, instead of giving me an answer -- you will just huff and puff some more. So, let's just end it here to save you the embarrassment.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I know I'm probably wasting my time on the terminally stupid, but....


http://www.ucsd.tv/miller-urey/


DF

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
I know I'm probably wasting my time on the terminally stupid, but....

http://www.ucsd.tv/miller-urey/

DF

Hi Deep,

Try again. Miller's experiment has already been discredited by fellow scientists.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Like who? Michael Behe? Ken Ham?

If his experiment is truly bogus,I'd like know. If it's "discredited" by C/ID wacks, then it's only further substantiated.

DF

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by CrustyMac:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Bill,

You are beyond tiresome. We have discussed the origin of life a dozen times here, and yet you stand there with your fingers in your ears singing "La la la la la la!" loud as you can.

Not once have you explained, nor can you, the origin of god, but I can.

We made him up. Out of blue sky, moon shine, and fear of the dark.

DF

Hi Deep,

Quit beating your chest (or we will have to change your posting name to Tarzan) and just admit that you cannot answer the question of the origin of life. You can huff and puff all you want; but, you are just avoiding the question and trying to offer a bit of your "look at this hand; don't look at that hand" misdirection and misinformation.

Either you can explain the origin of life or you cannot. Fish has been honest and admitted that he cannot. Why not join with him and, for once, be honest. Admit you have no idea -- then, we can talk more about God.

And, no more tantrums please.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you've apparently slipped into senility. Deep has answered this question on more than one occasion. He probably needs to type it up and save it, so he can cut and paste every time you ask.

So how about it Bill? Origin of God? Your turn.

Hi Crusty and Deep,

That is fine; call me senile, call me nuts; just don't forget to call me for dinner.

So, just to appease my senile mind -- maybe one of you, either Crusty or Deep, can quite huffing and puffing long enough to post an exact answer to the question: What Is The Origin Of Life?

Forgive my senility -- and just do this one thing for me: post an answer, if you have one -- which you do not.

The reason that this dynamic duo cannot stop huffing and puffing -- is that you do not have an answer. If qualified scientists do not have an answer; how could you, the dynamic duo, possibly have one.

Now, we all know that, instead of giving me an answer -- you will just huff and puff some more. So, let's just end it here to save you the embarrassment.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

If we are the Dynamic Duo, that makes me Robin <crap>. May I be Alfred instead?

Last I checked the short answer to origin of life is "we don't exactly know". That is a legitimate answer.

Your answer to the origin of God is that he always existed, but it is impossible to believe that anything else could have come from nothing. That's circular, and based on nothing but faith. Why can't you just say that. That I could respect. I don't begrudge your faith until you let the inconsistencies of the Bible distort common sense, reasoning, and enlightenment.

In another post you state that the Bible isn't a scientific text, yet it is literally true, except where you decide it isn't.

You don't even recognize your own inconsistencies. What the fundamentalists can't seem to get their mind around is that the Scholastics have already solved your problems for you centuries ago. The Bible isn't a scientific text. Science is okay, and quite frankly only reveals the wonders of God.

But fundamentalists can't have that, their minds are too small to accept that if there is a creator, that the creator might not be in their own image, and then they lose control of their fellow beings and their position as lords over all, their position as the Divine Righteous.

Scientists do have an answer. I've shown it to you many times, doofus.

You're just too small-minded to accept the very reasonable explanation. Instead, you believe an imaginary sky being poofed life into a lump of clay.

Amazingly contrived stupidity. Just amazing.

DF

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Scientists do have an answer. I've shown it to you many times, doofus.

You're just too small-minded to accept the very reasonable explanation. Instead, you believe an imaginary sky being poofed life into a lump of clay.

Amazingly contrived stupidity. Just amazing.

DF

Hi Deep,

Okay, maybe I missed your answer. Do me a big favor and just ONE MORE time -- tell me, in your own words (not a URL to Dawkins/Hitchens/Darwin or any other of your lords) -- but, IN YOUR OWN WORDS:

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF LIFE? Where and exactly how did the very FIRST life happen?

What caused non-life to suddenly become life?

My Friend, I sincerely look forward to your answers. Although, I am sure I will just get one of your silly, inane comments instead.

I realize it is hard to give an answer you do not have; but, just one more time, humor me with a sincere answer.

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Unbelievable stupidity, bill. Just amazing.

DF

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Scientists do have an answer. I've shown it to you many times, doofus.

You're just too small-minded to accept the very reasonable explanation. Instead, you believe an imaginary sky being poofed life into a lump of clay.

Amazingly contrived stupidity. Just amazing.

DF

Since when did Batman start calling Robin doofus?

quote:

Originally posted by DeepFat:
Unbelievable stupidity, bill. Just amazing.

DF

Hi Deep,

In other words, you are saying, "Sorry, Bill, I have no answer, neither does science. So, I just throw in another of my cutesy comments, call you stupid -- and hope that no one else notices."

Sorry, my Deep Friend, everyone notices. You have no answer for the question: What is the origin of life?"

Once more, because we are Friends, I will give you the answer: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill